Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational)
Reload this Page >

700x40 vs 650bx47 vs 650b 2.1-2.2 MTB tyres?

Notices
Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational) This has to be the most physically intense sport ever invented. It's high speed bicycle racing on a short off road course or riding the off pavement rides on gravel like : "Unbound Gravel". We also have a dedicated Racing forum for the Cyclocross Hard Core Racers.

700x40 vs 650bx47 vs 650b 2.1-2.2 MTB tyres?

Old 04-25-18, 02:59 AM
  #1  
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 413
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
700x40 vs 650bx47 vs 650b 2.1-2.2 MTB tyres?

I'm currently running 700x38 GravelKing SKs in the front and 43s in the back.
It's great for mixing in some dirt roads to my road rides, but it's not so great for riding mainly on dirt. Where I live we don't have good quality maintained gravel roads, only dirt roads that can be pretty rough at times.

In terms of pressure the lowest I dare go is 33-34psi at the back and 28-29 in the front (i'm running the tyres tubeless). At this point I can push the front tyre to the rim with my thumb. I haven't dented a rim but i'm pretty sure I hit the front one a few times when the tyre fully bottomed out.

But even at these lower pressures I get so beat up if I do 2.5-3 hours almost exclusively on dirt roads. On descends I have to be on the brakes a lot and stuff like a bit of rocky singletrack is horrible.

I'm thinking about going to 650b. There are a lot of good frames that are made for 650bx47 or can be run with this size. Sadly my frame which is an older steel Charge Plug 5 can't do it, some people tried it but the clearances are way too tight.

But i'm not sure if 47-48s would be big enough.

I'm also thinking about something like the All City Gorilla Monsoon, or Bombtrack Hook EXT with some light MTB wheels and fast rolling 2.1-2.2 MTB tyres like the Schwalbe Thunder Burt.

The question is, how does 650Bx47 compare to 700x40 on rough terrain, is it worlds apart?

I don't race, I don't do fast group rides, I ride for fun. But i'm a bit afraid if I went the 2.1-2.2 route it would be too much of a compromise if sometimes I wanted to ride on pavement. Which I rarely do nowadays, but my current tyres don't feel like they hold me back on pavement at all. I happily ride them at 30-35psi on the road.

The best would be to get a frame that takes up to a 2.2 and test it with 47s too. But I see that if you want to maintain a road-ish or "adventure" drop bar geometry and run MTB sized tyres sometimes you have to make some compromises like the 73mm bottom bracket on the Gorilla Monsoon, or the big press fit BB on the Bombtrack. So if I go the MTB tyre route I want to commit to it.


I know, I should just get a hardtail MTB... I'd love to get a mountain bike if there were actual mountains where I live. But doing 3 hour rides with a flat handlebar things get uncomfortable for me. I love the hand positions a drop bar gives me.
Facanh is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 03:12 AM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Oz
Posts: 929

Bikes: Curve Grovel v2 ti

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 257 Post(s)
Liked 84 Times in 73 Posts
No compromises needed these days. There's heaps of gravel bikes so you just have to dig around until you find exactly what you're chasing in the frame specs.

I can't comment on 700x40** (biggest 700 I've done is 32, until I went to 650b).

However I just came back from an all-day ride on the 650x2.1 Liteskin Thunder Burts (the old model). Up into the hills to hit the gravel and tracks. Pavement to get there and back.

Pumped up fairly firm, those tyres are pretty good on the road. Around 415gm; I like a light tyre for cutting down the rotating weight. No probs cruising around 37 km/ph.
Conti Speed King II are going to be a little faster on the road as they have a smoother centre tread area.
Off-road; not quite as good as the Thunder Burt.

Also have a wheelset with 650b x 48 slicks. In tamer gravel (in the dry) those tyres are fine. Obviously they're going to be faster than knobby tyres on the sealed roads.

You'd be fine on 48's with tread to suit in the rougher stuff. A 2.1/2.2 will give you a little more float in softer conditions.

** I've read that as the tyre gets larger in the diameter, then things can start getting sluggish. Not sure about that. But I really like the 650b, as the diameter is kind of similar to a 700x25/28. They feel fast.

Last edited by tangerineowl; 04-25-18 at 03:16 AM. Reason: txt
tangerineowl is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 03:35 AM
  #3  
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 413
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
How low can you go with the pressure safely with the 48s? Is something like 28-29 at the back and 25-26 at the front doable?

I built my bike in fall with 37s, then changed to 32s with fenders for the winter, and now went to 38s and 43s. The bike definitely feels a bit more sluggish with the bigger tyres, but I don't really care because it also feels a bit more stable which I like.


Ideally I would like a steel frame and fork, or a steel frame with a carbon fork (I don't want to spend tons of cash for a full carbon frame). Slightly upright geometry, thru axles would be awesome, and a few mounts on the frame and fork and big tyre clearance.

The Gorilla Monsoon ticks all these boxes, but that 73mm BB... I'm a big 1X fan so I could just throw on a mountain crankset with something like a 36-38T ring, but if a 2x groupset that I want comes out I would go 2x again.

The Bombtrack Hook EXT is amazing but the geometry is a tiny bit aggressive, it uses a press fit BB and I haven't found the frameset for sale seperately yet.


Other than these two I haven't really found any other options so if anyone has suggestions go for it.
Facanh is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 03:46 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Oz
Posts: 929

Bikes: Curve Grovel v2 ti

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 257 Post(s)
Liked 84 Times in 73 Posts
I'm 135lbs so I can really drop the pressure on a 48 if I want.

However at my weight, those pressures of yours are way too high for me in the rougher stuff.
I'd say my back would generally be around 20. The front a little lower.

Like you mentioned, if the pressure is too high then you start getting bounced around too much in the heavier stuff.

I'll have a think about frames for you:
Q. What is your size generally?
Q. Do you have a taller inseam relative to your height?
Q. budget?
tangerineowl is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 04:05 AM
  #5  
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 413
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by tangerineowl
I'm 135lbs so I can really drop the pressure on a 48 if I want.

However at my weight, those pressures of yours are way too high for me in the rougher stuff.
I'd say my back would generally be around 20. The front a little lower.

Like you mentioned, if the pressure is too high then you start getting bounced around too much in the heavier stuff.

I'll have a think about frames for you:
Q. What is your size generally?
Q. Do you have a taller inseam relative to your height?
Q. budget?
I'm around 145. 20psi sounds good!

Here is the current geometry of my bike, i'm riding a size L:



Quite short reach, i'm also running a 90mm 6 degree stem upright with some spacers. I know, might sound weird to some people but I absolutely love the position on this bike. I could go a tiny bit longer.

I think I might have long-ish legs for my size.

My budget is around $1000 for a frameset but I can go higher if needed. So full carbon frames are out of the question sadly.

Even though it's not the best decision financially I like building bikes from a frameset. Ideally in this case I would transfer most of my current stuff with a new wheelset and tyres to a new frame. (Rival 1 group with Spyres)

Last edited by Facanh; 04-25-18 at 04:11 AM.
Facanh is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 04:14 AM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Oz
Posts: 929

Bikes: Curve Grovel v2 ti

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 257 Post(s)
Liked 84 Times in 73 Posts
Are you in the U.S. or Europe?

Knowing that will help with frameset.
tangerineowl is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 04:22 AM
  #7  
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 413
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Yeah sorry, i'm in Europe. That can make US frames more expensive.

I'm eyeing the Genesis Fugio which is made by a British company.



Steel frame, carbon fork, nice relaxed geometry, super short asymetric chainstays, pretty slack 70.5 head angle, 68mm BB, available as a frameset in my price range. It takes 27.5x50c max, whish it was 2.2!

Last edited by Facanh; 04-25-18 at 04:29 AM.
Facanh is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 05:50 AM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Oz
Posts: 929

Bikes: Curve Grovel v2 ti

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 257 Post(s)
Liked 84 Times in 73 Posts
I was just looking at that bike.

1. The Genesis Croix de Fer frameset is 500pounds. It currently comes with a steel fork. Quick-release axles though.
I came across a mention that it could fit 650b x 2.0 maximum, but I'm not sure which fork that is referencing i.e. even though the frameset currently comes with a steel fork, it previously came with a carbon fork (you can see pics of either fork type in a google search of that bike).
It seems you can purchase this carbon fork through Evan's, for example (see the Questions section, for this bike on the Evan's site: someone asked that question about the fork).

The good thing about the Croix de Fer is the size medium has a stack of 593, and a reach of 385.
I worked out the stack and reach of your old Plug, and that came to 579 / 382. So you've got some more stack in that Genesis frameset, so you won't have to have so many spacers/upright stem.

2. Cotic Escapade. The medium frameset is 580 stack and 383 reach (similar to your Plug). Same headtube angle and seat tube angle as your Plug. 500pounds with the standard carbon fork with has an alloy steerer. You can pay another 100 pounds for their full-carbon-fork. Fits a 650b x 48.

As much as it would be ideal to find a frame that can fit big tyres at either end, if the bike only fitted 650b x 48 -like the Cotic-, then you can always purchase a fork which can fit a 2.1" for example, separately, from a retailer like Planet-X in the UK.

If I think of any others, I'll add them here.

Last edited by tangerineowl; 04-25-18 at 05:56 AM. Reason: txt
tangerineowl is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 06:00 AM
  #9  
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 413
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by tangerineowl
I was just looking at that bike.

1. The Genesis Croix de Fer frameset is 500pounds. It currently comes with a steel fork. Quick-release axles though.
I came across a mention that it could fit 650b x 2.0 maximum, but I'm not sure which fork that is referencing i.e. even though the frameset currently comes with a steel fork, it previously came with a carbon fork.
It seems you can purchase this carbon fork through Evan's, for example (see the Questions section, for this bike on the Evan's site: someone asked that question about the fork).

The good thing about the Croix de Fer is the size medium has a stack of 593, and a reach of 385.
I worked out the stack and reach of your old Plug, and that came to 579 / 382. So you've got some more stack in that Genesis frameset, so you won't have to have so many spacers/upright stem.

2. Cotic Escapade. The medium frameset is 580 stack and 383 reach (similar to your Plug). Same headtube angle and seat tube angle as your Plug. 500pounds with the standard carbon fork with has an alloy steerer. You can pay another 100 pounds for their full-carbon-fork. Fits a 650b x 48.

As much as it would be ideal to find a frame that can fit big tyres at either end, if the bike only fitted 650b x 48 -like the Cotic-, then you can always purchase a fork which can fit a 2.1" for example, separately, from a retailer like Planet-X in the UK.

If I think of any others, I'll add them here.
I actually have a Croix de Fer steel fork in my Plug. Yeah that frameset is very similar to the my Plug but it has dimpled chainstays so better clearance. I've seen some people running 650x47s but clearances are apparently a bit tight.

The Cotic looks great, i've never even heard of this brand. That price too, wow! I'll look into it more, thank you!

I forgot... The ability to run fenders with 47-48 tyres would be nice.
Facanh is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 06:11 AM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Oz
Posts: 929

Bikes: Curve Grovel v2 ti

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 257 Post(s)
Liked 84 Times in 73 Posts
https://www.cotic.co.uk/product/escapade2#frame

That above is a frameset from a couple of years ago. You can see that one had a steel fork. The archived specs mention 650x50.

It looks like that steel fork was thru-axle. Not sure about the back end.

You might be able to find one of those older frames for sale somewhere e.g. the red frame, or the yellow frame (which you can see in a google search, showing the older frame from 2015?).

I'll see if I can find something that fits fenders also.

Back tomorrow.
tangerineowl is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 06:26 AM
  #11  
FLIR Kitten to 0.05C
 
Marcus_Ti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
Posts: 5,331

Bikes: Roadie: Seven Axiom Race Ti w/Chorus 11s. CX/Adventure: Carver Gravel Grinder w/ Di2

Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2349 Post(s)
Liked 406 Times in 254 Posts
If you're feeling that beat up on 700x40 at 30PSI, I get it--we have washboard farm roads here and they suck on rigid bikes....Have you considered skipping 650B rigid frame and getting a sprung MTB based bike?
Marcus_Ti is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 06:29 AM
  #12  
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 413
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Looks like the new Cotic has fender mounts and tons of clearance with those Horizons. 100x12 in the front and QR in the back.

Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti
If you're feeling that beat up on 700x40 at 30PSI, I get it--we have washboard farm roads here and they suck on rigid bikes....Have you considered skipping 650B rigid frame and getting a sprung MTB based bike?
Are you thinking something like a Salsa Cutthroat with a suspension fork, or just a plain 29er hardtail for example?

Yeah, washboard farm roads, sometimes with tons of bigger rocks. It's mainly tractors that use the roads I would like to ride, they're not the smoothest...

Last edited by Facanh; 04-25-18 at 06:37 AM.
Facanh is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 07:02 AM
  #13  
FLIR Kitten to 0.05C
 
Marcus_Ti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
Posts: 5,331

Bikes: Roadie: Seven Axiom Race Ti w/Chorus 11s. CX/Adventure: Carver Gravel Grinder w/ Di2

Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2349 Post(s)
Liked 406 Times in 254 Posts
Originally Posted by Facanh
Looks like the new Cotic has fender mounts and tons of clearance with those Horizons. 100x12 in the front and QR in the back.



Are you thinking something like a Salsa Cutthroat with a suspension fork, or just a plain 29er hardtail for example?

Yeah, washboard farm roads, sometimes with tons of bigger rocks. It's mainly tractors that use the roads I would like to ride, they're not the smoothest...
Yea...something like the Cutthroat is what I had in mind. Although finding dropbar sprung MTBs in retail space is hard ATM AFAIK. Would probably need to convert an MTB to it. The cutthroat with a sprung fork might do the trick, but then you're dropping a big load of cash for an experiment. With roads that bad...I'm skeptical anything short of a proper fatbike or a suspended-MTB would really be meaningfully easier on your body. There are lots of rigid 29ers and 27.5er MTBs out at shops and in garages--so you could see if a rigid bike with 2" tires would work before buying at least.

Last Tour de Nebraska we had a gravel route....and even with 700x40 class tires it was tough going with pea gravel and at many points not "fun" (soft pack primarily as opposed to washboard). Some of our tent circle showed up with 4" tire fatbikes, and had a blast. Sure they weren't fast and first to camp, but they were having a good time.
Marcus_Ti is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 07:37 AM
  #14  
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 413
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti
Yea...something like the Cutthroat is what I had in mind. Although finding dropbar sprung MTBs in retail space is hard ATM AFAIK. Would probably need to convert an MTB to it. The cutthroat with a sprung fork might do the trick, but then you're dropping a big load of cash for an experiment. With roads that bad...I'm skeptical anything short of a proper fatbike or a suspended-MTB would really be meaningfully easier on your body. There are lots of rigid 29ers and 27.5er MTBs out at shops and in garages--so you could see if a rigid bike with 2" tires would work before buying at least.

Last Tour de Nebraska we had a gravel route....and even with 700x40 class tires it was tough going with pea gravel and at many points not "fun" (soft pack primarily as opposed to washboard). Some of our tent circle showed up with 4" tire fatbikes, and had a blast. Sure they weren't fast and first to camp, but they were having a good time.
The Cutthroat is pretty much a dream frame for me but it's too expensive. Especially here in Europe. With smaller US brands it usually goes like this: convert the price from USD to EUR, and add a bit to it.

The Gorilla Monsoon costs so much here for what it is but something is really attracting me to that frame...

I'm getting a loaner 2013 Giant XTC carbon 29er MTB for a few weeks, we'll see how it goes. Carbon frame, 2.25 Racing Ralphs, and a Fox fork with a 100mm of travel. I'll try locking out the fork just to see how much difference the bigger tyres make.

What I do now is that I simply can't do flat bars over long distances. I've tried narrower bars, bar ends, but I always feel like I need to move around and I want to hold the middle of a flat bar.

I feel at home on bikes with a relaxed geometry and a nice compact drop bar.

Last edited by Facanh; 04-25-18 at 07:41 AM.
Facanh is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 03:29 PM
  #15  
Senior Member
 
chas58's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 4,863

Bikes: too many of all kinds

Mentioned: 35 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1147 Post(s)
Liked 415 Times in 335 Posts
I'm thinking of going 650b 54mm front and 700c 40mm rear as they have the same diameter, and that will give me more traction up front for sand, dirt, and a little extra suspension.

Yeah, there is a pretty big difference from 40mm to 54mm in my experience. I don't go a lot lower in pressure since my 54mm tire is on a narrow rim, but it can take a lot bigger hits.

For comfort - you can always put in a shock absorbing stem up front, or thudbuster seat post for your butt. I kinda think if I am getting beat up on 40mm tires, I should probably be on a hard tail mountain bike and maybe have suspension.

There is always the Canondale Slate if you want something with the best of both worlds (650b too)
chas58 is offline  
Old 04-25-18, 10:50 PM
  #16  
Senior Member
 
Metieval's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,857

Bikes: Road bike, Hybrid, Gravel, Drop bar SS, hard tail MTB

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1218 Post(s)
Liked 298 Times in 214 Posts
Originally Posted by Facanh
I'm currently running 700x38 GravelKing SKs in the front and 43s in the back.
It's great for mixing in some dirt roads to my road rides, but it's not so great for riding mainly on dirt. Where I live we don't have good quality maintained gravel roads, only dirt roads that can be pretty rough at times.

In terms of pressure the lowest I dare go is 33-34psi at the back and 28-29 in the front (i'm running the tyres tubeless). At this point I can push the front tyre to the rim with my thumb. I haven't dented a rim but i'm pretty sure I hit the front one a few times when the tyre fully bottomed out.

But even at these lower pressures I get so beat up if I do 2.5-3 hours almost exclusively on dirt roads. On descends I have to be on the brakes a lot and stuff like a bit of rocky singletrack is horrible.

I'm thinking about going to 650b. There are a lot of good frames that are made for 650bx47 or can be run with this size. Sadly my frame which is an older steel Charge Plug 5 can't do it, some people tried it but the clearances are way too tight.

But i'm not sure if 47-48s would be big enough.

I'm also thinking about something like the All City Gorilla Monsoon, or Bombtrack Hook EXT with some light MTB wheels and fast rolling 2.1-2.2 MTB tyres like the Schwalbe Thunder Burt.

The question is, how does 650Bx47 compare to 700x40 on rough terrain, is it worlds apart?
very attractive bike!
Metieval is offline  
Old 04-27-18, 05:34 PM
  #17  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Oz
Posts: 929

Bikes: Curve Grovel v2 ti

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 257 Post(s)
Liked 84 Times in 73 Posts
I think I found your frameset but its in the U.S.
Maybe you could look at pricing one to get over your way. $950 USD.

The Rawland Ravn.
Frameset available here:- https://cyclocult.bigcartel.com/product/rawland-ravn-frameset-frame-and-fork-with-headset-skewers-clamp-stemcap

https://en-gb.facebook.com/rawlandcycles/
(post from 23rd March).

Informative read, here:-
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=164746

Designed around a 26" tyre, but it fits 650b x 42 with guards, and 650b x 2.2 without !!!

Has all the specs you're chasing and its looks freakin' awesome. Stack and Reach on the medium is the same as your Plug.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluelug/34796575026

Last edited by tangerineowl; 04-27-18 at 05:59 PM. Reason: txt
tangerineowl is offline  
Old 04-27-18, 09:59 PM
  #18  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Cascadia
Posts: 1,206

Bikes: Jamis Quest Comp

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 169 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by tangerineowl
I think I found your frameset but its in the U.S.
Maybe you could look at pricing one to get over your way. $950 USD.

The Rawland Ravn.
Frameset available here:- https://cyclocult.bigcartel.com/product/rawland-ravn-frameset-frame-and-fork-with-headset-skewers-clamp-stemcap

https://en-gb.facebook.com/rawlandcycles/
(post from 23rd March).

Informative read, here:-
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=164746

Designed around a 26" tyre, but it fits 650b x 42 with guards, and 650b x 2.2 without !!!

Has all the specs you're chasing and its looks freakin' awesome. Stack and Reach on the medium is the same as your Plug.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluelug/34796575026
That's super weird, 2.2" is 56mm. 9mm should be plenty for fender clearance, yes?
Sullalto is offline  
Old 04-28-18, 02:29 AM
  #19  
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 413
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by tangerineowl
I think I found your frameset but its in the U.S.
Maybe you could look at pricing one to get over your way. $950 USD.

The Rawland Ravn.
Frameset available here:- https://cyclocult.bigcartel.com/product/rawland-ravn-frameset-frame-and-fork-with-headset-skewers-clamp-stemcap

https://en-gb.facebook.com/rawlandcycles/
(post from 23rd March).

Informative read, here:-
https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=164746

Designed around a 26" tyre, but it fits 650b x 42 with guards, and 650b x 2.2 without !!!

Has all the specs you're chasing and its looks freakin' awesome. Stack and Reach on the medium is the same as your Plug.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluelug/34796575026
Thanks, that's an absolutely amazing frame, but are you sure you're right about the tyre clearance?

"And while optimized for 26"x55mm and/or 650Bx42mm with fenders (effective outer diameter of wheel approximately 670mm), the Ravn can also run up to 650Bx48mm sans fenders."

This detail is great:



Facanh is offline  
Old 04-28-18, 03:17 AM
  #20  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Oz
Posts: 929

Bikes: Curve Grovel v2 ti

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 257 Post(s)
Liked 84 Times in 73 Posts
I think you're right. Must have got mixed up with the 26" tyre.
tangerineowl is offline  
Old 04-28-18, 03:25 AM
  #21  
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 413
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
I think i'm going to just wait for a while, and use the crap out of my Plug this season since I just dumped a whole bunch of money in it...

Hopefully when i'm ready for a new build something new comes out, if not i'm probably going Gorilla Monsoon. It's perfect other than the 73mm BB.
If a groupset comes out with something like a 46/30 or 44/30 etc., 11-40 cassette, clutch RD I would like to go back to 2X, but if Eagle comes out for drop bars... Sign me up. I'll just run a mountain crankset with a slightly bigger chainring, problem solved.
Facanh is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.