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New Pivot Vault

Old 06-25-19, 04:28 PM
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New Pivot Vault

Looks like Pivot did some fine tuning on their Vault. I like the short 420 chainstays and massive tire clearance. What do you think?

https://www.pivotcycles.com/en/bike-...1#feature-link

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Old 06-25-19, 06:54 PM
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I like both color options.
The price for a frame is insane. Or I am just cheap. Or maybe both.
I like that the frame angles are pretty conservative. 73 degrees and 72 degrees on the largest frame is needs to see, if only because it packs a pretty popular Trend right now of having an incredibly slack headtube angle.
That is really good Tire clearance, obviously it is due to the dropped chainstay. I don't love that look, but it is there more for function then form.
The short chainstay is interesting. I am guessing that such a measurement will appeal to the bikes target audience which is go fast racer gravel riding.

The biggest surprise is the stack and reach. I was pleasantly surprised to see they have a frame size for up to 6 ft 6. Being 6-5, I naturally look at the largest frame size anytime I am looking at bikes, so I was pretty interested up until the point when I saw the stack for the largest frame is only 61 cm. What on Earth is that? This bike is clearly for the go fast racer among us, but even still, I would be surprised to see a 6 ft 6 strong and fast rider on this frame. That would make 4 some serious saddle to Bar drop. But hey, everyone is built differently I guess, so I'm sure there is a market for this design.
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Old 06-25-19, 08:32 PM
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Sweet bike!
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Man Pivot is snorting some serious cocaine on that frame price.
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Cool bike!

But...

1. 381mm of reach on the size SMALL....that’s a LONG bike for gravel.

2. Those prices are absolutely INSANE. $5,200 for R8020 with the same DT Swiss wheelset that came on my wife’s $1,300 bikesdirect bike?
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Interesting bike.

No fork mounts.

The Trail Donkey 3.0 might be a better value but I've no doubt that the Vault is a killer bike. Pivot doesn't make crap.

998 grams is light for a gravel bike. Does anyone know if that is with or without the fork?

Price doesn't seem out of line with other high end gravel bikes. The TD3 frame is $2650. The Niner RLT 9 RDO frame is $2300. High end road bike frames can be well over $4000.


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Nice bike, ugly paint jobs.
I wonder how well the oversized seatpost tube (isoflex) with rubber adapter thingy works.
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Looks good, but I just don't understand "high end" bike prices. I got my Revolt, with a second wheelset for the road, for less than a Vault frame! Same tire clearance, carbon, similar geometry, more mounts and a better warranty. But as always, whatever floats your boat.

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Old 06-26-19, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by tdilf View Post
Nice bike, ugly paint jobs.


That's Pivot for ya. I was thinking the same thing. Killer bikes but some of their colors look like they came out of a Crayola box.

Really can't say my Niner is any better though.


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This new gravel bike fad for over $5,000 is getting crazy!
we need a $1,000 gravel bike for the rest if us as most will have other bikes as well
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Since when is the TD3 a "high-end" frame? It's just another company cashing in on the on the "Designed in USA" but made in Asia craze just like every other random carbon wheel shop that pops up. If you have a made in Asia carbon frame and it's more expensive than a Santa Cruz, then something is definitely amiss.
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It's a hard sell when you can get a 2020 carbon Giant Revolt full bike for the same price as the Pivot Vault frame.
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One thing is for sure, people sure know what they like.


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One thing is for sure, people sure know what they like.


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not me.... it changes weekly with bicycles.
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Originally Posted by mj0 View Post
It's a hard sell when you can get a 2020 carbon Giant Revolt full bike for the same price as the Pivot Vault frame.
The Revolt is a nice bike, but that slack head angle? For me, I want a gravel bike to handle more like a road bike with bigger tire clearance instead of a mountain bike with a rigid fork and drop bars.
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Originally Posted by gravelED View Post
The Revolt is a nice bike, but that slack head angle? For me, I want a gravel bike to handle more like a road bike with bigger tire clearance instead of a mountain bike with a rigid fork and drop bars.
Something for everyone, but it's only 1 difference. I can barely tell the difference in handling between my Revolt and my Transonic, and that's 71 vs 73. The Revolt feels more stable if anything, the Transonic a lil twitchier, I don't want twitchy offroad. Stable is nice on the road too, the Revolt holds a line very smoothly.
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Originally Posted by mj0 View Post
It's a hard sell when you can get a 2020 carbon Giant Revolt full bike for the same price as the Pivot Vault frame.
Originally Posted by gravelED View Post
The Revolt is a nice bike, but that slack head angle? For me, I want a gravel bike to handle more like a road bike with bigger tire clearance instead of a mountain bike with a rigid fork and drop bars.
Originally Posted by Rides4Beer View Post
Something for everyone, but it's only 1 difference. I can barely tell the difference in handling between my Revolt and my Transonic, and that's 71 vs 73. The Revolt feels more stable if anything, the Transonic a lil twitchier, I don't want twitchy offroad. Stable is nice on the road too, the Revolt holds a line very smoothly.
Vault frame is $2500 and an Ultegra build is $4600
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/re...dvanced-0-2020 An Ultegra Revolt costs $3650 retail.
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/re...dvanced-2-2020 A 105 Revolt costs $2450 retail

The Vault has a 72deg HTA across the board. Thats mated to a fork with 45mm of rake. This gives 68mm of trail when using a 40mm tire.
The Revolt has a 70.5-71deg HTA depending on size. Thats mated to a fork with 50mm of rake. Assuming the 71deg HTA frame, this gives 69mm of trail when using a 40mm tire. If you need a smaller frame with the 70.5deg HTA, then trail jumps to 73mm.

So for pretty much all men and some women, the bikes differ by just 1mm of trail, which is the real determiner of how a bike feels when it comes to turning and leaning when riding fast and slow. For a very small % of men and many women, the bikes differ by 5 degrees of trail and the Vault will feel quicker to turn and the Revolt will feel more stable(these feeling descriptions are simplified).


Just figured I would bring actual important numbers to the discussion. God forbid 44mm tires are mounted to the Vault as that will make it the same trail as the Revolt with 40mm tires. Eek!
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TAN WALL RAMBLERS!!!! That's what I'm excited about.
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