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gus6464 10-31-19 02:32 PM

Niner MCR
 
So it's finally out and Jenson has it in stock. Who's biting the bullet?

https://www.jensonusa.com/Niner-MCR-...r-1x-Bike-2020

Full GRX800 and the dropper post is properly installed with the left GRX shifter.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/00...g?v=1572374576

tyrion 10-31-19 02:56 PM

It will be interesting to see it in competition, to see if the comfort provided by suspension outweighs the added weight in a race. Certainly, when the terrain gets rough enough, the suspension will result in increased speed over an unsuspended bike.

trailangel 10-31-19 03:20 PM

$6,000 for a FS bike w/ 40mm travel in front and 50mm rear? No NO NO........ for that price it needs to have a motor.

Chi_Z 10-31-19 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by trailangel (Post 21189025)
$6,000 for a FS bike w/ 40mm travel in front and 50mm rear? No NO NO........ for that price it needs to have a motor.

$6000 can only get you a frame from Moots, prices are relative

trailangel 10-31-19 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by Chi_Z (Post 21189075)
$6000 can only get you a frame from Moots, prices are relative

Hey
Who said anything about a Moots TI frame? This frame is carbon fiber..... IT'S PLASTIC

Marcus_Ti 10-31-19 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by trailangel (Post 21189025)
$6,000 for a FS bike w/ 40mm travel in front and 50mm rear? No NO NO........ for that price it needs to have a motor.

An FS bike that is 10# lighter than an MTB FS bike.

gravelED 10-31-19 04:12 PM

Seems like a dedicated FS-XC-MTB is going to be better in almost any situation compared to this, unless you truly want a drop bar MTB.

Chi_Z 10-31-19 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by trailangel (Post 21189101)
Hey
Who said anything about a Moots TI frame? This frame is carbon fiber..... IT'S PLASTIC

with the cost of R&D and custom molds, this frame arguably has higher production cost compared to Moots where they just pick the tubes length and weld

dwmckee 10-31-19 06:37 PM

I bet it will be yeare before most of us ever see one of those out on the gravel...

gus6464 10-31-19 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by dwmckee (Post 21189311)
I bet it will be yeare before most of us ever see one of those out on the gravel...

Or until the inevitable 40-45% off yearly clearance.

Spoonrobot 10-31-19 08:57 PM

I think it's going to end up the same place as the Slate, an interesting diversion but not really anything long-lasting. Just doesn't seem to do more that slightly larger tires won't do, without the added complexity and cost.

Hmmm 11-01-19 05:04 AM

I thought the GCN video on this was interesting. It didn't really sell me on the idea of owning one of these. Not to mention the cost.

Marcus_Ti 11-01-19 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by Spoonrobot (Post 21189471)
I think it's going to end up the same place as the Slate, an interesting diversion but not really anything long-lasting. Just doesn't seem to do more that slightly larger tires won't do, without the added complexity and cost.

Problem for the Slate...It was proprietary with that Lefty fork. Other problem was durability, or rather people not reading the design-limit of that fork and exceeding it, and being surprised when the Lefty failed. IIRC the original Lefty was rated for ASTM 2 (6" or less), AKA less than a regulation US road curb, which most people pushed the limits of. Lefty 2 is ASTM 3 I think.

Uphill fight for Niner...they don't have near the market presence locally that Cannondale does.

Slick Madone 11-05-19 11:09 AM

I'm considering one of these......I love my Slate and my GF may inherit that one I recently upgraded, and hope to test one of these shortly.

Metieval 11-05-19 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Spoonrobot (Post 21189471)
I think it's going to end up the same place as the Slate, an interesting diversion but not really anything long-lasting. Just doesn't seem to do more that slightly larger tires won't do, without the added complexity and cost.

the Slate was a fun ride
the Niner RLT with an AX fork was 100x better than the slate.

I am just going to walk way out on a guess, and say that this MCR would be as fun to ride as my hi-mod scalpel. Except being in road Geo, and with drop bars!

Slick Madone 11-05-19 12:03 PM

I won't be racing so the additional weight makes no difference to me. If I can ride that much longer, and more comfortably, cost isn't a factor.

Caliper 11-05-19 12:21 PM

I just replaced the suspension fork on my drop bar 29er with a rigid one, so there's my choice...

Spoonrobot 11-05-19 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti (Post 21189709)
Problem for the Slate...It was proprietary with that Lefty fork. Other problem was durability, or rather people not reading the design-limit of that fork and exceeding it, and being surprised when the Lefty failed. IIRC the original Lefty was rated for ASTM 2 (6" or less), AKA less than a regulation US road curb, which most people pushed the limits of. Lefty 2 is ASTM 3 I think.

Uphill fight for Niner...they don't have near the market presence locally that Cannondale does.

I think a big part was that for the added cost/complexity and weight the benefits weren't that great. A guy I used to race with did a Slate for one season then sold it and went to a more normal gravel bike with a redshift stem. He says it's pretty close to the same feeling but cheaper and easier. I suspect the MCR will have more of a legacy getting bikes designed around the AX (ah, as touched on above) than bringing more full-suspension gravel bikes to the market.

mstateglfr 11-05-19 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Caliper (Post 21195870)
I just replaced the suspension fork on my drop bar 29er with a rigid one, so there's my choice...

Got a link to the rigid fork? Im thinking about doing this on my 27.5 MTB

thehammerdog 11-05-19 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by trailangel (Post 21189101)
Hey
Who said anything about a Moots TI frame? This frame is carbon fiber..... IT'S PLASTIC

U know that carbon fiber has zero relationship with plastic?

csrpenfab 11-05-19 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by thehammerdog (Post 21196225)
U know that carbon fiber has zero relationship with plastic?

Well said. Plastic is extruded, try that with CF... I usually hear the "plastic" line from someone who has never ridden a good CF frame or can't afford one.

HTupolev 11-05-19 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by thehammerdog (Post 21196225)
U know that carbon fiber has zero relationship with plastic?

Although it's reductive to refer to carbon frames as "plastic", it's just as ridiculous to claim that they have "zero relationship with plastic." They are literally plastic that's reinforced with carbon fiber. Without the plastic, a carbon frame would be a loose pile of cut-up fabric sheets.

gus6464 11-05-19 08:49 PM

Professor Plastics will set you straight.

https://www.plasticsmakeitpossible.c...with-plastics/

Metieval 11-05-19 09:25 PM

I think there is a disconnect with many riders on what suspension can give them far beyond the 'comfort' thing.

y'all know what happens when you pedal skip? The rear wheel comes off the ground, and sometimes you recover, sometimes you don't?

Now skip your rear wheel off of a rock. Suspension helps with keeping your wheels on the surface.

Metieval 11-05-19 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by gus6464 (Post 21196556)
Professor Plastics will set you straight.

https://www.plasticsmakeitpossible.c...with-plastics/

crazy they never distinguish the difference between Resins and plastic in that article.

https://diffzi.com/resin-vs-plastic/

which means that when you mix Carbon and Resin..... It isn't exactly carbon and plastic.


Probably why drive shafts are carbon fiber, and Bumpers are ABS plastic etc.....


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