Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational)
Reload this Page >

Would I be an idiot to use cantis?

Notices
Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational) This has to be the most physically intense sport ever invented. It's high speed bicycle racing on a short off road course or riding the off pavement rides on gravel like : "Unbound Gravel". We also have a dedicated Racing forum for the Cyclocross Hard Core Racers.

Would I be an idiot to use cantis?

Old 02-22-21, 07:00 PM
  #1  
Expired Member
Thread Starter
 
shelbyfv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: TN
Posts: 11,718
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3737 Post(s)
Liked 5,604 Times in 2,837 Posts
Would I be an idiot to use cantis?

I had a Raleigh Tamland that I foolishly sold last summer. I'd like another gravel bike but as we know choice is limited. The Black Mountain Cycles Monster Cross frame is available and I have probably 75% of the parts I would need, including wheels and drive train, in the parts bin. I love the look of the Pacenti fork crown. I know cantis would be fine for what there is to ride locally but I'm wondering about elsewhere in the eastern US. Covid permitting, it might be fun to travel to some events later in the year. So, asking you guys who ride in a variety of places if the brakes would be a deal breaker. BMC has a disc frame as well but I wouldn't gain any tire size and would have the additional.expense of a disc wheelset. FWIW, the Kona Sutra ULTD frame would be my first choice but apparently unavailable. Appreciate any comments.
shelbyfv is offline  
Old 02-22-21, 08:05 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
woodcraft's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Nor Cal
Posts: 6,016
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1814 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 923 Times in 569 Posts
I use 'em- my hands get a little tired on the 1,500' descents around here, but wheelset availability & swapability make it a good choice.
woodcraft is offline  
Likes For woodcraft:
Old 02-22-21, 08:28 PM
  #3  
Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 2,888
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1346 Post(s)
Liked 3,270 Times in 1,439 Posts
That's funny --- I sold my Sutra LTD in order to buy a Black Mountain Cycles Monster Cross with cantis. I've got Paul's Neo-Retros on mine, and I'll ride 'em on anything. Love the feel.

Rolla is offline  
Likes For Rolla:
Old 02-22-21, 08:47 PM
  #4  
Expired Member
Thread Starter
 
shelbyfv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: TN
Posts: 11,718
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3737 Post(s)
Liked 5,604 Times in 2,837 Posts
^^^Cool!
shelbyfv is offline  
Old 02-22-21, 09:19 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
katsup's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Southern California
Posts: 1,771

Bikes: 1995 ParkPre Pro 825 2021 Soma Fog Cutter v2 and 2021 Cotic SolarisMax

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 608 Post(s)
Liked 560 Times in 318 Posts
Not sure I'd buy a new cantilever only bike / frame, but I happily ride the canti bikes I own. At this time, those are all old rigid mountain bikes.
katsup is offline  
Likes For katsup:
Old 02-22-21, 09:44 PM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: South Shore of Long Island
Posts: 2,838

Bikes: 2010 Carrera Volans, 2015 C-Dale Trail 2sl, 2017 Raleigh Rush Hour, 2017 Blue Proseccio, 1992 Giant Perigee, 80s Gitane Rallye Tandem

Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1110 Post(s)
Liked 1,047 Times in 738 Posts
I would take canti over mini-v or V-brakes with a travel agent when using road levers, but if buying a new frame I would need a serious deal to choose a canti frame over a disc version. Decent wheelsets in disc are getting plentiful and affordable.
Russ Roth is offline  
Likes For Russ Roth:
Old 02-23-21, 12:14 AM
  #7  
Sunshine
 
mstateglfr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 16,687

Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo

Mentioned: 124 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11038 Post(s)
Liked 7,589 Times in 4,231 Posts
My Black Mountain MC has been perfectly fine for years now. It stops me fine and I don't have a slight build.
Its stopped me great all around the midwest, the deep south,, and out in the west central mountains of CO.
Its currently set up to haul for commuting and weekend camping so it is able to stop me plus gear weight. This entire time my brakes have been 33 year old SunTour cantis so hardly cutting edge or anything.

Cantis have been used for decades...not sure why you would be an idiot.
Just get some mini-v brakes if you are concerned about overall leverage power for braking.
mstateglfr is offline  
Likes For mstateglfr:
Old 02-23-21, 12:58 AM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 8,688
Mentioned: 46 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1074 Post(s)
Liked 295 Times in 222 Posts
I’ve never been a fan of smooth post cantis. While they did OK while in use, I never got past setting them up w/o frustration and muttered curses.
Threaded post cantis I’d be willing to consider. Don’t think I’d invest the time and effort in building up a bike with them, but might take on a complete bike if it came that way.
The only situation where I’ve been outright troubled by Canti - or any rim brakes’ performance - has been in LONG, foul-weather descents. I have a medical condition that loves nothing better than to restrict blood flow to fingers and toes. Fingers go numb and reduces how hard - and how accurately- I can pull the levers.
dabac is offline  
Likes For dabac:
Old 02-23-21, 07:02 AM
  #9  
Expired Member
Thread Starter
 
shelbyfv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: TN
Posts: 11,718
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3737 Post(s)
Liked 5,604 Times in 2,837 Posts
Price-wise, the frame is only $100 or so cheaper than the disc frames. The primary cost benefit would be using wheels I have vs buying a disc set. I didn't have much success setting up cantis on a bike for my wife. Even less with mini Vs; on/off modulation and limited clearance, IME. I do have to consider my limitations as a mechanic....
shelbyfv is offline  
Old 02-23-21, 07:55 AM
  #10  
n00b
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 1,397

Bikes: Surly Karate Monkey, Twin Six Standard Rando

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 428 Post(s)
Liked 466 Times in 273 Posts
given the choice, I'd rather have discs. but cantis can work very well. IME, the short "road" pads that come with some canti brakes suck. I had a bike with Tktro CR720 brakes and they were terrible until I replaced the pads with some mtb "v-brake" pads that are longer and curved. the difference was STARK. I suddenly had braking power and not the "suggestion to slow down" effect that the old pads offered.

That Black Mountain MC was on a short list for my last purchase because it was singlespeedable, steel, had room for big tires, etc. It looks like an awesome choice.

Last edited by mack_turtle; 02-23-21 at 08:05 AM.
mack_turtle is offline  
Old 02-23-21, 08:00 AM
  #11  
Senior Member
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 40,865

Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Canyon Exceed, Specialized Transition, Ellsworth Roots, Ridley Excalibur

Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2953 Post(s)
Liked 3,106 Times in 1,417 Posts
I ride single track in Tahoe on my cantilever cross bike. Tektro CR720 with Koolstop pads.
caloso is offline  
Likes For caloso:
Old 02-23-21, 09:17 AM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
msu2001la's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Chicago, IL, USA
Posts: 2,893
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1465 Post(s)
Liked 1,489 Times in 873 Posts
I have a canti CX bike that has Avid Shorty Ultimates on it. They work pretty well. I am currently running carbon rims on it and I wouldn't want to be running that combo in wet/snow/mud, but for dry weather and flat terrain, it works fine. I'm planning to convert this bike to single speed and use it for some racing.

That said, I doubt I'll ever buy another rim brake bike regardless of type. Road, MTB, Cross, Gravel... Discs are much better in all situations.
msu2001la is offline  
Old 02-23-21, 01:40 PM
  #13  
Tiocfáidh ár Lá
 
jfmckenna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: The edge of b#
Posts: 5,476

Bikes: A whole bunch-a bikes.

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 463 Post(s)
Liked 123 Times in 76 Posts
It's not like canti's have been around for over one hundred years or anything

Just make sure to get the right pad for your rims. Makes a big difference.
jfmckenna is offline  
Likes For jfmckenna:
Old 02-24-21, 10:23 PM
  #14  
Senior Member
 
shoota's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Stillwater, OK
Posts: 7,829
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1873 Post(s)
Liked 693 Times in 469 Posts
Originally Posted by dabac
I have a medical condition that loves nothing better than to restrict blood flow to fingers and toes. Fingers go numb and reduces how hard - and how accurately- I can pull the levers.
My wife calls this Reynaudzing.
__________________
2014 Cannondale SuperSix EVO 2
2019 Salsa Warbird
shoota is offline  
Old 02-25-21, 09:56 PM
  #15  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 114
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 33 Post(s)
Liked 69 Times in 37 Posts
I've done gravel and bikepacking with cantilever brakes and they were fine. (The first 20 years of mountain bikes uses them too.)

You could also consider mini-V brakes, like Paul's Mini-moto, which are powerful and easy to set up - juat make sure that you have enough space between the top of the tire and the cable that connects the two brake arms.

And you could consider MTB V (or linear pull) brakes, with long-pull road levers. Gevenalle offers long pull road levers with integrated shifters.
scubaman is offline  
Likes For scubaman:
Old 02-25-21, 11:44 PM
  #16  
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 24,428
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 3,728 Times in 2,543 Posts
There are mountains in Tennessee, will you be riding gravel in them? If so, I say you should hold out for discs.
unterhausen is offline  
Likes For unterhausen:
Old 02-26-21, 12:26 AM
  #17  
Life Feeds On Life
 
Hondo Gravel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Hondo,Texas
Posts: 2,146

Bikes: Too many Motobecanes

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4452 Post(s)
Liked 4,562 Times in 3,055 Posts
Like previous posts we all have use cantilevers for years and it worked out well. I admit I love the disc brakes but I ride my older bikes with cantilevers and adjust quickly. So absolutely not it would not be foolish at all.
Hondo Gravel is offline  
Old 02-26-21, 07:50 AM
  #18  
Expired Member
Thread Starter
 
shelbyfv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: TN
Posts: 11,718
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3737 Post(s)
Liked 5,604 Times in 2,837 Posts
Thanks guys I used TRP mini Vs on a bike with 38SKs and that seemed to be about the size limit. IIRCC, I had to trim something for clearance. I'd be using 45 +/- on this one. Full size Vs would be an option, though. I don't have a lot of hills locally but my hope was to do some riding in East TN/NC and AR/MO. If I ponder this long enough I can probably convince myself I don't need another gravel bike....
shelbyfv is offline  
Likes For shelbyfv:
Old 02-26-21, 07:55 AM
  #19  
Senior Member
 
PumpedUpKicks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Northwest Arkansas, a cyclist's paradise
Posts: 110

Bikes: 2017 Santa Cruz Hightower C S+ Kit, 2020 Salsa Fargo Apex 1, 2015 Salsa Warbird Ti, Burley D'Lite double trailer

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 27 Post(s)
Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts
I have 2 gravel bikes, 1 with mechanical disc and 1 with cantilever brakes. I live and bike in Northwest Arkansas and we've got our fair share of hills and mountains. In my opinion, unless you just want the lastest and greatest a properly setup cantilever brake works perfectly for this clydesdale.
PumpedUpKicks is offline  
Likes For PumpedUpKicks:
Old 02-26-21, 08:29 AM
  #20  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 8,016
Mentioned: 42 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7075 Post(s)
Liked 11,154 Times in 4,763 Posts
Whichever frame you choose, those BMCs have always looked great to me. That fork crown, in particular, is beautiful.
Koyote is offline  
Likes For Koyote:
Old 02-26-21, 08:44 AM
  #21  
Expired Member
Thread Starter
 
shelbyfv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: TN
Posts: 11,718
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3737 Post(s)
Liked 5,604 Times in 2,837 Posts
Yes, I think the fork crown is why I can't let go of this idea.
shelbyfv is offline  
Likes For shelbyfv:
Old 02-28-21, 09:40 AM
  #22  
Senior Member
 
trailangel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Pasadena, CA
Posts: 4,848

Bikes: Schwinn Varsity

Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1931 Post(s)
Liked 742 Times in 422 Posts
I guess it would depend on what brake levers you have. Cantis look better, but they stick out. V-brakes work better IMO but they just look odd. I like the curved fork better on the non-disc BMC. I really want to try one of those BMCs....but I'm running out of bike-room.
trailangel is offline  
Likes For trailangel:
Old 03-02-21, 12:14 PM
  #23  
2k miles from the midwest
 
Dylansbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Washington
Posts: 1,964

Bikes: ~'75 Colin Laing, '80s Schwinn SuperSport 650b, ex-Backroads ti project...

Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 525 Post(s)
Liked 931 Times in 446 Posts
Ride quality is probably going to be better on a canti frame. Discs require different design to handle the braking forces. Just sayin'....
Dylansbob is offline  
Likes For Dylansbob:
Old 03-07-21, 10:31 PM
  #24  
With a mighty wind
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 2,627
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1112 Post(s)
Liked 908 Times in 510 Posts
I have a Voodoo Wazoo gravel bike, 1997 ish and a great bike. I've bombed it down some stuff with no worries. I do use salmon pads and they can get loud, but other than that, no issues.

I did recently buy a new bike. Discs and thru axles. It really is much better. In every way possible. Enough so that for a serious ride, I wouldn't want the old bike.

I'm comparing Canti's to Hydro discs. Ime, mechanical disc are not an improvement over good rim brakes.

Really it depends on you. Flat roads sure, but those steep crazy descents, your call.
rosefarts is offline  
Likes For rosefarts:
Old 03-08-21, 11:16 PM
  #25  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 123
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 56 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 56 Times in 36 Posts
I swapped out the canti's on a bianchi volpe with the v-brake travel agent set up, works great
Goofball is offline  
Likes For Goofball:

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.