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All-around including mud tires max 36mm?

Old 03-08-21, 06:56 PM
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All-around including mud tires max 36mm?

I am trying to get a good gravel setup for my Specialized Roubaix. I recently got some Gravelking SS 35mm which are awesome for anything but mud. Around here Oct-Apr or so is mud season, even if it has not rained in awhile there will often be patches of mud. After several near-wipeouts last weekend I was thinking of running two sets of gravel tires, one summer one winter. I really like a tread like the Soma Cazadero, with big lugs but also smooth in the middle to not slow me down so much on the smoother stuff. But it doesn't come in smaller sizes. Does anyone know a good all-around tire that also deals with mud? I am getting 4mm clearance with 35-36mm tires and don't want to go any wider than that.

I am looking at the GravelKing AC 35mm now. The Vittoria Terrano Mix also looks good but is available in 33mm or 38mm only. 36mm is a bit of a death trap, CX maxes at 33mm, and "real" gravel riders want 38m or bigger.
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Continental Terra Speeds. I finished Mid South on them last year.
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The Terreno Mix or Wet might be a good choice for what you describe. A rather fast tire as well.
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Originally Posted by shoota
Continental Terra Speeds. I finished Mid South on them last year.
Thanks those do look good and they come in 35mm. It would be nicer for me to have a little more smoothness right in the middle for hardpack but they look faster than the Gravelking AC's on such stuff.

The Terrenos are only 33mm and all 33mm CX tires seem to be under-sized because 33.1mm is a disqualification.
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Originally Posted by scottfsmith
Thanks those do look good and they come in 35mm. It would be nicer for me to have a little more smoothness right in the middle for hardpack but they look faster than the Gravelking AC's on such stuff.

The Terrenos are only 33mm and all 33mm CX tires seem to be under-sized because 33.1mm is a disqualification.
I've used both the Terra Speed and the 31/33/40 Terreno Drys. I can say without a doubt that the Terra Speeds are by far the fastest, smoothest, grippiest, supple-est gravel tires I've ever used. Knobs or not. You get all of that at the slight expense of durability. But if you're running them tubeless and don't mind a slightly faster wearing tire then you can't do better.
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Originally Posted by shoota
Continental Terra Speeds. I finished Mid South on them last year.
I have the Terra Speeds and don't find them good in mud. I don't think there is enough knob to them for that which is why they are fairly fast everywhere else (that and the rubber compound).
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I thought they were great compared to every other "all-around" gravel tire I've used. I've never used a dedicated "mud" tire because I don't intend to ride in mud. And the fact that OP is tire width limited I can't think of any better alternatives.
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I also recommend the terra speeds
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I decided to order some Terra Speeds. I donít need a great mud tire just a not horrible one.. the GK SS are too slick in the center for serious mud.

The Terreno 33s I would guess are more like 31s mounted given the conservative 33 sizing I have seen, too narrow.
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I have Terreno Mix and they measure pretty close to 33 installed on my rims. Good mud and CX tire, but as you note it's a bit narrow if you're dealing with chunky gravel and rougher terrain.

I have similarly been looking for a wider tire that is in that 36-38mm range and agree that there's a bit of a dead spot in products. It's too wide to be a traditional CX tire (even though almost none of us have to comply with the 33mm UCI limit) and most knobby gravel tires are 38mm+.

The Terra Speed is a good choice. I've also found a tire from Donnely that might work: Donnely Xplor
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Ah. I had some Maxxis 33s that were undersized and then looked into it and found it was common to do that for CX. But fortunately it looks like not all the time..

I in fact had bought those Donnelly X'plors but they just would not mount! I spent half an hour and the bead would not sit evenly no matter how much kneading and cajoling I did. Since I am going to need to be swapping tires the idea of a big wrestling match to switch was a big turn-off (assuming I could have ever gotten them seated properly). The non-WC version had many complaints about quality, sounds like the Chinese factory has gone downhill in quality from what they used to be. So I got the WC versions which are much more expensive. They looked like great tires, if they had only mounted. Fortunately the folks at Donnelly were very nice, they even paid for the return shipping.

The GK SS's mount like a dream, you can do it with your eyes closed. I hope the Terra Speeds are similar. Note these are going on tubed for now, will go tubeless once I have my rotation plan set.
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I have similarly been looking for a wider tire that is in that 36-38mm range and agree that there's a bit of a dead spot in products. It's too wide to be a traditional CX tire (even though almost none of us have to comply with the 33mm UCI limit) and most knobby gravel tires are 38mm+.

The Terra Speed is a good choice. I've also found a tire from Donnely that might work: Donnely Xplor
Terreno Drys are available in 37mm. They're marked 700x35c but are ETRTO 37-622. I have no experience with those, but my 700x38c TDs are also marked ETRTO 40-622 and come out to 40.2 and 40.3 mm. Absolutely no idea why they do that, especially as the 31, 33, and 47 are ETRTO 31, 33, and 47. See here.
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Originally Posted by sincos
Terreno Drys are available in 37mm.
Did they discontinue that size? I didn’t even know it existed when I was looking. They are more like the Gravelking SS in terms of of fast in everything but mud. I could probably squeeze in 37s.

EDIT: it looks like they are here for half price — https://shop.sportsbasement.com/prod...00x35-wire-blk — maybe getting discontinued but still available for now.
EDIT again: no these are the heavy non-tubeless ones, see below.

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Originally Posted by scottfsmith
Did they discontinue that size? I didnít even know it existed when I was looking. They are more like the Gravelking SS in terms of of fast in everything but mud. I could probably squeeze in 37s.

EDIT: it looks like they are here for half price ó https://shop.sportsbasement.com/prod...00x35-wire-blk ó maybe getting discontinued but still available for now.
Those aren't tubeless and they're crazy heavy. I'd suggest anything other than those.
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Originally Posted by scottfsmith
I decided to order some Terra Speeds. I donít need a great mud tire just a not horrible one.. the GK SS are too slick in the center for serious mud.

The Terreno 33s I would guess are more like 31s mounted given the conservative 33 sizing I have seen, too narrow.
Good call. Go tubeless asap with them.
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Originally Posted by shoota
Those aren't tubeless and they're crazy heavy. I'd suggest anything other than those.
Thanks I missed that. They are indeed crazy heavy. Too many models of all these tires! On top of this heavy tubed one there are two tubeless "35"s, the TNT and the TLR; the TNT has an ETRO of 37mm but the TLR is 40mm. So only the TNT would fit me I would guess.

Hopefully the 35 tubeless are just sold out now, not discontinued.

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Originally Posted by scottfsmith
Thanks I missed that. They are indeed crazy heavy. Too many models of all these tires!

Hopefully the 35 tubeless are just sold out now, not discontinued.
I don't think they ever made a 35mm tubeless Terreno Dry. (Even though I have one sitting in my garage. shhhh....)
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I don't think they ever made a 35mm tubeless Terreno Dry. (Even though I have one sitting in my garage. shhhh....)
It is on the Vittoria webpage linked above, 700x35c tubeless TNT... out of stock.
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It is on the Vittoria webpage linked above, 700x35c tubeless TNT... out of stock.
I can't get the website to show that particular combo. I only see the folding version. Anyways
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Originally Posted by scottfsmith
Did they discontinue that size? I didnít even know it existed when I was looking. They are more like the Gravelking SS in terms of of fast in everything but mud. I could probably squeeze in 37s.

EDIT: it looks like they are here for half price ó https://shop.sportsbasement.com/prod...00x35-wire-blk ó maybe getting discontinued but still available for now.
EDIT again: no these are the heavy non-tubeless ones, see below.
I seem to be in error. Vittoria makes them but availability is ... like so many other bike-related things these days. Also, I'd forgotten about the mud issue -- the TDs are not completely useless in mud (unlike GKSS or for that matter GKSK) but there are much better choices.

But I guess one takeaway is to check ETRTO, not the 700xXX label.
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But I guess one takeaway is to check ETRTO, not the 700xXX label.
The real takeaway is that tire sizing doesn't really mean anything, ETRO or not. It depends a lot on which size rim you measure it on, and ETRO measures on a 19c rim as I recall. Not too useful. But even then, it is not precise. Lotsa debate in the industry on this. I kind of like measuring bead to bead (assuming you can lay the tire out flat). At least that tells me which of my tires is bigger/smaller than the other, independent of the wheel size or tire markings.

When you have some mfgs measuring on "industry standard" road wheel sizes, and others measuring on typical gravel wheel sizes, you are going to get different results.
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Following up on my own thread here, I eventually got some Terreno Dry TNT 700x35c (ETRTO 37). They mount at 36mm tubeless on my 20mm rims. This is about 2mm wider than the Gravelking SS or the Conti Terra Speed, and they seem like they will still clear OK (3mm minimum clearance on my 2020 Roubaix). Since I like how they are a bit wider I am going to give them a serious trial here. I will pull out the Terra Speeds if the mud is too much for them.
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