Canyon has a new gravel bike
05-13-21, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Badger6
Exactly what I was thinking....but hen the bits about it being for racing.
In my mind, Canyon sees this is the "adventure bike" while the Grail is the "racer." Meaning, subsequent Grails are going to likely be more aggressive in the geo and more focused on racing as opposed adventure. Just a hunch.
In my mind, Canyon sees this is the "adventure bike" while the Grail is the "racer." Meaning, subsequent Grails are going to likely be more aggressive in the geo and more focused on racing as opposed adventure. Just a hunch.
05-13-21, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
As for handling, a lower trail bike is great with a front load. Most gravel bikes arent lower trail. Its a compromise in order to utilize the trendy approach to weekend camping rides. Racks and panniers are out, minimalist dry bags are in.
05-13-21, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Badger6
Well, it's heavier, so must be a better workout, right?
Oddly, it uses the same geometry as the grail? So the only difference is bigger tires? I think I'm missing something (it happens to me, I'm not embarrassed to say).
Oddly, it uses the same geometry as the grail? So the only difference is bigger tires? I think I'm missing something (it happens to me, I'm not embarrassed to say).
Canyon has 3 off road drop bar bikes. I think it is great to have the diversity. Not sure I wan to put 28-32mm tires on a grizl, but obviously the dropped chain stay and bigger tire clearance are going to be big for some. On the other hand its probably not going to have the "pop" of their racier models. differernt strokes - its good to be able to have something to make everyone happy.
I'm thinking they are seeing a decline in traditional road bikes and want to be prepared for that.
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05-13-21, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by zen_
Nice looking bike that checks all the boxes and is reasonably priced (relative to competition), but I question why Canyon is adding another model when their supply situation is already bad.
05-13-21, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by chas58
I agree, but one review I read said that putting weight on the front ruined the handling. I found that a bit odd...
So some will dislike that and figure out a setup that works for them. Many will dislike it but accept it because its neat/trendy/convenient to have. Some will just not care because they adapt to the differences.
My earlier post, like my of my posts, was worded poorly.
05-13-21, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
bikepacking. You can put a Salsa Anything cage or a similar 3 bolt mount to each leg and lash a dry bag to each leg.
Ive seen them used to hold pumps and water too, but the 3 bolt really is designed to hold gear when bikepacking. As for handling, a lower trail bike is great with a front load. Most gravel bikes arent lower trail. Its a compromise in order to utilize the trendy approach to weekend camping rides. Racks and panniers are out, minimalist dry bags are in.
Ive seen them used to hold pumps and water too, but the 3 bolt really is designed to hold gear when bikepacking. As for handling, a lower trail bike is great with a front load. Most gravel bikes arent lower trail. Its a compromise in order to utilize the trendy approach to weekend camping rides. Racks and panniers are out, minimalist dry bags are in.
05-13-21, 12:14 PM
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They were specifically talking about this bike - I've never heard of a bike with a trail <70mm being called sluggish with the front loaded.
"I think my large BXB Piccolo bag, with no gear attached to the fork mounts, was about as much weight as I’d want positioned over the front end. I believe this can be attributed to the steep head tube angle, and long/low front end. The steering felt a touch sluggish, and it lost that lightweight, fun gravel bike feel immediately."
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but that sounded odd. I've never toured with a bike with a slack head tube angle, but I would expect a bike with a slack head tube angle (and higher trail) to feel "a touch sluggish, and it lost that lightweight, fun gravel bike feel immediately."
ref: https://bikepacking.com/bikes/canyon-grizl-review/
"I think my large BXB Piccolo bag, with no gear attached to the fork mounts, was about as much weight as I’d want positioned over the front end. I believe this can be attributed to the steep head tube angle, and long/low front end. The steering felt a touch sluggish, and it lost that lightweight, fun gravel bike feel immediately."
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but that sounded odd. I've never toured with a bike with a slack head tube angle, but I would expect a bike with a slack head tube angle (and higher trail) to feel "a touch sluggish, and it lost that lightweight, fun gravel bike feel immediately."
ref: https://bikepacking.com/bikes/canyon-grizl-review/
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
If the bike is higher trail, as many gravel bikes are, then yeah the handling will be 'ruined' in the eyes of some because the front weight negativiely affects higher trail bikes.
So some will dislike that and figure out a setup that works for them. Many will dislike it but accept it because its neat/trendy/convenient to have. Some will just not care because they adapt to the differences.
My earlier post, like my of my posts, was worded poorly.
So some will dislike that and figure out a setup that works for them. Many will dislike it but accept it because its neat/trendy/convenient to have. Some will just not care because they adapt to the differences.
My earlier post, like my of my posts, was worded poorly.
05-14-21, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by msu2001la
Bigger tires and minor geometric changes. I don't really understand why someone would buy the Grail over this. Do people really care if there is excess tire clearance if they're running 35mm tires? The geometric differences between the two seem very minor and while the Grizl seems to weigh slightly more, the difference between a 19lb and 20lb gravel bike seems nearly insignificant to anyone not racing. I guess I'm wondering who the Grail buyer is once this thing is out.
As for the carbon-only aspect, Canyon has confirmed that a lower-priced aluminum version is coming. If you're into bikepacking and loading your bike up with gear, an aluminum version seems to make a lot more sense.
One other thing: Do people really use those fork mounts on gravel bikes? Are they for bags? This seems like a terrible place to carry water, and hanging weight off the fork seems like it would really mess up the handling. Just curious... I see them on lots of gravel bikes but rarely see them being used.
As for the carbon-only aspect, Canyon has confirmed that a lower-priced aluminum version is coming. If you're into bikepacking and loading your bike up with gear, an aluminum version seems to make a lot more sense.
One other thing: Do people really use those fork mounts on gravel bikes? Are they for bags? This seems like a terrible place to carry water, and hanging weight off the fork seems like it would really mess up the handling. Just curious... I see them on lots of gravel bikes but rarely see them being used.
yes people use those mounts. Bike packing and bottle cages for long self supported gravel events.
