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Stans Crest S1

Looking at a bike (Jamis Renegade) I notice it comes with the Stans Crest S1 wheels. I noticed the 32 spoke which seemed like a good thing for stock wheels, then I checked the website and I notice they are only rated for a rider weight of 190 lb.? The Grail, the narrower wheel from Stans, is rated for 250 lb. Any know why the Crest is rated so much lower (I am 180 on a good day, not including bike weight)?

Crest S1 Wheelset | Stan's NoTubes

"Max Rider Weight: 190lbs (86kilo)"
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The Crest and Grail rims weigh about the same, but the Crest has a depth of 17.2mm and the Grail rim depth is 24.5mm. Basically the same amount of material but the Grail is narrower and deeper. All things being the same a narrower and deeper rim makes a stronger wheel, I think.

edit: they don't weigh about the same - 380g for the Crest, 440g for the Grail. The Grail is simply a stronger rim.

https://www.notubes.com/crest-rims
https://www.notubes.com/grail-mk3-rim

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I don't have an answer for your question, but I'm surprised that Jamis would spec a wheel on their gravel bike with such a low weight limit.

I'm also confused as to how a 32 spoke wheel can only be good for 190lbs. For comparison, HED Ardennes RA Performance is 18/24 spokes laced 2x and HED lists the max rider weight as 110kg (242.5lbs).

I get that there's more to wheel building and wheel strength than spoke count, but I would be a little concerned about that setup if I were 180lb+.
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Originally Posted by tyrion
The Crest and Grail rims weigh about the same, but the Crest has a depth of 17.2mm and the Grail rim depth is 24.5mm. Basically the same amount of material but the Grail is narrower and deeper. All things being the same a narrower and deeper rim makes a stronger wheel, I think.
The Crest is more of an MTB rim, so maybe Stans is assuming some harder riding on that wheel, and therefore a lower weight limit?

What you are saying makes sense - narrower/deeper seems like it would be stronger than wider/shallower. The Grail MK3 (the alloy version) has a rider weight limit of 230lbs.

I'm also wondering if Stans is anticipating use a bit, and because the Crest is marketed as an MTB rim they're assuming most users will be riding in tougher conditions than a road/gravel wheel, therefore a lower weight limit?
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I have no idea why the Crest has such a low weight limit. Stans had a rim/wheelset a handful of years ago called the Iron Cross that cited a pretty low weight limit too.
There is just no upside in my view of riding wheels with a weight limit that isnt even 200#. Thats especially true with the Crest S1 that is linked in the first post because its a $500 wheelset that weighs 1800g. A handbuilt wheelset weighing less than 1800g can be had from prowheelbuilder with butted spokes for less than $500 and not have a weight limit of 190#.
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I weigh 140 and have the Crests. Thatís my naked and hungry weight btw.

In order to get a relatively wide rim in aluminum that light, itís got to be thin. The max PSI recommendation is real. I blew a tire off once because of that.

Other than that, they really are pretty strong. Iím using competition DB spokes front and rear, drive and non. Two summers ago I used them on my hardtail MTB with great results. Since January theyíve been on my gravel bike. Most recently I bombed them down some mountain passes that a gravel bike just doesnít belong. The rear has a couple mm of wobble, the front is still true. Theyíve honestly been great.

Since I did the build myself, I do wish Iíd used a Bitex rear hub. Itís a better option for similar money.

If I weighed 50 more pounds, maybe the whole thing would explode.
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Originally Posted by rosefarts

If I weighed 50 more pounds, maybe the whole thing would explode.
This would always be in the back of my mind as I'm chucking it into a corner.
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Thanks. Sounds like the 32 spoke wheels stock on the Renegade aren't a selling point any more.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
I have no idea why the Crest has such a low weight limit. Stans had a rim/wheelset a handful of years ago called the Iron Cross that cited a pretty low weight limit too.
There is just no upside in my view of riding wheels with a weight limit that isnt even 200#. Thats especially true with the Crest S1 that is linked in the first post because its a $500 wheelset that weighs 1800g. A handbuilt wheelset weighing less than 1800g can be had from prowheelbuilder with butted spokes for less than $500 and not have a weight limit of 190#.
That's what confused me. Hunt has a 32 spoke wheelset that is like 1670g and it has a weight limit of 286 lb.
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Originally Posted by am0n
That's what confused me. Hunt has a 32 spoke wheelset that is like 1670g and it has a weight limit of 286 lb.
There's more to this than just spoke count.
HED Ardennes RA Performance Disc is 24 spoke, 1585g, and has a 240lb weight limit.
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