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Let's Retire the Term "Gravel Grinder"

Old 05-11-22, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Kapusta
I was not aware that SRAM, Campy, and Shimano's marketing copy got to decide how we use the English language.
Not sure what you mean by this, but I would never call a Campy shifter an "Ergopower Shifter" nor would I call a Shimano shifter an "STI Dual-Control Shifter", or a SRAM shifter a "double tap shifter". They're all just shifters. That's the point. The manufacturers call them "shifters". The marketing terms are just extra add-ons. Nowhere do they call them "brifters".

Originally Posted by Kapusta
Am I allowed to call something a bidon even though the manufacturer calls it a water bottle?
Are you French and/or have raced a bike professionally in Europe at any point during your life? If not, the answer is probably no. Just call it a bottle - no need to specify what kind of liquid you fill it with.

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​​​​​​Is "dork disc" a no-go?
I'm good with the term "dork-disc", mostly because I don't actually know what the technical term for this useless bit of plastic is, and I suspect most others don't either. Manufacturers probably call this "packaging material" and remain confused as to why people don't remove it after unboxing the bike.

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I call something a "bash ring" when the manufacturer calls it a "bash guard"?
I feel like I've seen manufacturers and others use both terms. This is oddly specific to downhill/freeride MTB so probably fine to use whatever one you like.

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​​​​​​Can I use the term "flat bar" if the manufacture calls the specific model a riser?
A flat bar and a riser bar are two different things. If a manufacturer is calling a flat bar a "riser" when it's not actually a riser bar, they're wrong.

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​​​​​​I use the term "oval" for a ring that the manufacturer calls "elliptical" and vice versa?
I'm sorry that you use these products. Are you a triathlete by chance? I hear there's a recovery group somewhere... I think both terms are used interchangeably by manufactures and consumers so you're probably good with either here.

Originally Posted by Kapusta
​​​​​​Dual Control Lever = Brifter. One is a lot quicker to say and write. And if the term "brifter" serves no purpose (as some are indicating), why does the term "dual control lever" exist (which means the same thing, just longer)?
It's a shifter. No one outside of a Shimano conference room or trade show booth uses the term "dual control lever". You seem to have completely missed the point that Shimano literally calls them "shifters" not "brifters".
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Originally Posted by Kapusta
No, you do not generally have to say "disc brake" if you know the context. And you don't always have to specify shifter/brake.

But sometimes you DO have to specify the type of brake, thus there are different names for them..... and sometimes you DO have to specify the type of shifter, thus there are different names for them.

That's the thing about language. It is often contextual. If one is an a context where it might not be clear what sort of shifters you have, "brifters" clears that up.

New words are added to vocabulary when they have a use such as streamlining communication or adding clarity. Folks can accept that or they can yell at the clouds.
Brifter doesn't clear anything up.

If I call up a shop and say "I broke my right side brifter - can you order me a new one?" they're going to respond with the exact same questions as if I called them up and said "I broke my right side shifter - can you order me a new one?".

Brifter adds absolutely nothing.

If I call up a shop and say "I broke my right side GRX800 shifter" they'll know exactly what I'm talking about. If I say "I broke my right side GRX800 brifter" they'll probably make fun of me first, then know exactly what I'm talking about.
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Originally Posted by msu2001la
I'm good with the term "dork-disc", mostly because I don't actually know what the technical term for this useless bit of plastic is, and I suspect most others don't either.
The technical term is Spoke Tucking Device, or STD.
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Originally Posted by tyrion
Sounds more technical than "inner tube".
Plus, "inner tube" is redundant -- there are no "outer tubes."
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Originally Posted by tyrion
no way. "gravel grinder" is cool. One term to retire (in a bicycle context): "steed".
+1000
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If one is referring to the shifting component, it's shifters. If one is referring to the braking component, it's brake levers. If one is just referting to the part without specifying the function under discussion, they're levers.

I'm a gray haired old man and think brifters is a stupid term and will never use it, and have never. No need to.

As for clipless pedals terminology - that's stupid too. I have decided to call them automatic pedals. that's a good term!
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brifter
brifter
brifter
brifter!
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Originally Posted by msu2001la
Brifter persists because this sport is
There's one that I take exception to...sport. Riding bicycles isn't a sport anymore than walking is. It's an activity. Racing bicycles is a sport.
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Originally Posted by tyrion
brifter
brifter
brifter
brifter!
shrake
shrake
shrake
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I ride trails often. I avoid gravel when possible. Like riding on ball bearings…..
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I remember similar discussions when Mountain Bikes were new. It was pointed out that most "mountain" bikes never saw an actual mountain.

For a while ATB ("All Terrain Bike") and MTB (MounTain Bike) were interchangeable.
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An integrated braking/shifting lever designed for gravel roads will referred to as a grifter.

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Old 05-12-22, 06:11 PM
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”Drop bar hybrid.”
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$&#&$%&#$. I wish I read this thread before I got the neck tattoo.

ISO. A good tat artist that can change script “Gravel Grinder” to “Diversified facet bicycle” in something like a Times Bold Italic
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Brifter is a great word, in fact I'd say it's a perfectly cromulent word. In an alternate universe they have shlevers on their road bikes. I don't see why having a word for a specific kind of shifter is bad... thumbies is a great word too.

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Originally Posted by dwmckee
So, we should be calling these multi-surface or mixed-surface rides instead then? I bet I can guess where that will go if you put it to a vote.
Nothing fries my arse more than when people refer to mixed-surface rides as "groad" rides. In fact, I don't even like the terms "mixed-surface" or "multi-surface." I guess I'm old enough to remember when we just rode our bikes anywhere we felt like (roads, dirt, trails, etc.) and we just called it "riding bikes."

So, just to piss off the bike industry marketing types, I started my own list of terms to use instead of "groad" :

Road & Rut

Mudcadum

Grit-phalt

Crushin’ stones & shakin’ bones (stolen from one of the gravel sites)

Lane & loam

Freeway & filth

Macadam & muck

Parkway & pebbles

Turnpike & tailings

DirtPike

Cyclophalt

Boulder & boulevard

Streets & stones

Cobbles & concrete

Knobs & nubs

Gravment

And my favorite: TarDust
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Originally Posted by Dino_Sore

So, just to piss off the bike industry marketing types, I started my own list of terms to use instead of "groad" :
I can only imagine the collective meltdown the industry is experiencing over this powerful salvo you have unleashed.
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Gravement is my favorite.
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Wasn't "brifter" coined by Saint Sheldon?

I was out at the parking lot where everyone but me parks to go ride gravel or mountain bike trails (don't drive to the ride). There was a vehicle there with a bumper sticker about the local "gravel grinder" It's part of the name of the event "ROTHROCK GRIT GRAVEL GRINDER" I thought we were over that 5 years ago.

It was like riding around a bend and finding a rattlesnake. Or maybe nails on a chalkboard. But probably more like the rattlesnake.
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Groad bike.
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Originally Posted by Rolla
Since the advent of tubeless tires, I've wanted a term for a tire with a tube in it.

Tubeful? Tubire?

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although that could also be a term for what you do whilst rushing to the port-a-can at the trailhead

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