I did a 71 mile gravel race over the weekend. It was really a grinder!!!
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 22501430)
I certainly dont correct people when they call it a seat, but I also only ever call it a saddle.
A seat is something you sit in/on. A saddle is something you sit atop. Recumbent has a seat, diamond frame has a saddle. Yeah maybe its largely a distinction without a difference, but still... |
Originally Posted by Paul Barnard
(Post 22501485)
And in the name of consistency, you also use the terms saddle stay, saddle post, saddle tube and saddle post binder right?
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I'm fin with gravel grinder as it implies a certain amount of physical and mental exhaustion, typically.
I also can't stand when people say "kit". And for that matter, "jersey" is slightly annoying too. It's just a shirt. Maybe it has funny pockets or a zipper, but at the end of the day it's just a shirt. "Gilet"? It's a freakin vest. You don't need that pretentious nonsense. Another one that's steadily gaining popularity over the last few years that I abhor is "colorway". And anyone that says "bidon" can GTFO... |
My Brooks B-17 has more in common with a saddle than a seat. For one thing, it's on my steed. :)
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Originally Posted by Rolla
(Post 22500621)
I guess alliteration is cool, but referring to a bike or an event as a "gravel grinder" just seems so 2010....
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 22501430)
I certainly dont correct people when they call it a seat, but I also only ever call it a saddle.
A seat is something you sit in/on. A saddle is something you sit atop. Recumbent has a seat, diamond frame has a saddle. Yeah maybe its largely a distinction without a difference, but still... |
Originally Posted by Paul Barnard
(Post 22501485)
And in the name of consistency, you also use the terms saddle stay, saddle post, saddle tube and saddle post binder right?
Sorry. I posted before I read the second page. :o |
Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
(Post 22501632)
Yet no one ever says "I got a new 25.375 mm saddle post" for my sweet *****in' up-country ride.
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As gravel roads are roads, I propose we replace the term "gravel grinder" with the term "road."
Lets rename the skinny tire aero scene. Speed bikes? |
The word "brifter" really grinds my (gravel) gears. Just call it a shifter or a brake lever. I've never understood why people combine this into one made-up word.
"Kit" has never bothered me. Seems like a fine way to describe the variety of coordinated cycling apparel that one wears. I do find it irritating when someone uses the word "bidon" or other Euro specific terms they likely learned from watching the Tour de France, like "groupetto", "musette", "moto" etc. |
Ha, groupetto does make me laugh since it is almost entirely either Shimano or SRAM at this point which are distinctly not Italian and not even European. Its a group or grouset. Dont try to church it up, Dirt.
Bidon also makes me chuckle, but I thankfully havent actually heard it spoken. If anyone in Iowa were to say it, there would be some dumbfounded stares. |
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 22501801)
Ha, groupetto does make me laugh since it is almost entirely either Shimano or SRAM at this point which are distinctly not Italian and not even European. Its a group or grouset. Dont try to church it up, Dirt.
Bidon also makes me chuckle, but I thankfully havent actually heard it spoken. If anyone in Iowa were to say it, there would be some dumbfounded stares. |
Originally Posted by dgodave
(Post 22501810)
I dont think thats a "grupetto".
Thanks for seeing that. |
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 22501801)
Ha, groupetto does make me laugh since it is almost entirely either Shimano or SRAM at this point which are distinctly not Italian and not even European. Its a group or grouset. Dont try to church it up, Dirt.
Bidon also makes me chuckle, but I thankfully havent actually heard it spoken. If anyone in Iowa were to say it, there would be some dumbfounded stares. My favorite is some of my Italian friends refer to CO2 cartridges as bomboletti (little bombs) |
Originally Posted by billridesbikes
(Post 22501827)
No such thing as a groupetto perhaps you mean gruppetto? It means 'the laughing group' basically the sprinters and others arriving at the finish just before the time cut.
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Originally Posted by billridesbikes
(Post 22501827)
No such thing as a groupetto perhaps you mean gruppetto? It means 'the laughing group' basically the sprinters and others arriving at the finish just before the time cut. For a component group from any manufacturer it would be gruppo (group) but also Italian fans might also say gruppo to refer to the peloton so depends on the context. Also Italian fans along the road will yell 'Dai! Dai!' which to an English speaker like me sounds like 'Die! Die!' and takes a moment to realize they're saying 'Go! Go!'.
My favorite is some of my Italian friends refer to CO2 cartridges as bomboletti (little bombs) I have seen it spelled multiple ways, which is why I typed different versions here. |
Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 22501901)
Asked and answered, but to say again- I meant Groupo/Grupo/Gruppo/Grouppo. Again, apologies for the confusion as I typed that while sitting on a Teams call and just repeated the term that was used earlier in the thread without thinking.
I have seen it spelled multiple ways, which is why I typed different versions here. |
Originally Posted by base2
(Post 22501668)
As gravel roads are roads, I propose we replace the term "gravel grinder" with the term "road."
Lets rename the skinny tire aero scene. Speed bikes? How did niche pavement racing bikes co-opt the all encompassing "road" label? How about Pavement Pushers? Gravel bikes are just road bikes that don't suck on gravel. |
Originally Posted by msu2001la
(Post 22501735)
The word "brifter" really grinds my (gravel) gears. Just call it a shifter or a brake lever. I've never understood why people combine this into one made-up word.
. Hey, that's just a guess.:innocent: |
Originally Posted by msu2001la
(Post 22501735)
The word "brifter" really grinds my (gravel) gears. Just call it a shifter or a brake lever. I've never understood why people combine this into one made-up word.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
(Post 22502457)
Yeah, I figured 'brifter' started back when STI shifters were new to road bikes. Half of a brand's offerings had STI shifting and half had downtube shifting with dedicated brake levers. Why its lasted 30 years?...I guess tradition, but not sure. At this point if someone says 'shifters' the default is they are using levers that both shift and brake. If anyone is using downtube, IGH, or bar ends to shift, the expectation should be that they specify since its so out of the norm.
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Originally Posted by Kapusta
(Post 22502173)
So that you know whether one is describing a brake, a shifter, or a combo brake/shifter.
Hey, that's just a guess.:innocent: If I told someone that I crashed (while riding in the gruppeto) and broke my Campy gruppo's downtube shifter on my vintage gravel grinder whip, there would still be zero confusion about which part I was referring to. It's time to retire "brifter", which has always been an awful term. |
"Brifter" persists because it is short, snappy, and generic. Terminology is "sticky" so if anyone wants to retire (dare I say "cancel") a word they don't like, it's on them to come up with something that fulfills those goals even better. ;)
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Originally Posted by Kapusta
(Post 22502563)
Or you can just have a different single-word term for each scenario (shifter, brake lever, shifter/brake combo) and nobody needs to clarify anything. That's the beauty of an expanded vocabulary.
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