Is this a good frame-set?
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Define good? It definitely looks good.
This review of a full build is favorable. Depending on what she wants, though, the frameset is limited to 700Cx40 tires, which should be noted are a tight squeeze in the fork. It mentions a different frame that goes sup to 50mm or 650bx2.4” called the Storm King. |
Originally Posted by Badger6
(Post 22557472)
Define good? It definitely looks good.
This review of a full build is favorable. Depending on what she wants, though, the frameset is limited to 700Cx40 tires, which should be noted are a tight squeeze in the fork. It mentions a different frame that goes sup to 50mm or 650bx2.4” called the Storm King. I guess by "good" I mean reputable. I don't have any titanium bikes, but my understanding is that a frame-builder really has to know what they are doing or the welds might fail. Both this and the Storm King are about $5.5 K on their website. I didn't realize the fork would be a tight squeeze for 40mm. I have an Enve CX and that thing is wide. I wonder if 650b wheels might be a better option. For the stuff we ride, 40mm should be adequate, but it might be nice to have wider options. |
I scanned the review fast…width isn’t always the limitation for tire size, especially with 700c. The “close” dimension could be the fork crown.
I have no experience with Sage frames, personally or anecdotally from others that I ride with. Based on their website, where they’re located, and that Jenson is selling it, I wouldn't be worried about buying one. |
Good, because I just did.
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It would probably be most fitting (pun intended) to equip it with Barlow Pass RH tires.
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Enve rates the clearance on that All-Road fork officially at only 38mm for 700C, so that is a bit of a disappointment.
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I’ll be honest with ya, 38s are fine for gravel, IMO. Build it, and go have some awesome adventure with your wife.
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Originally Posted by Badger6
(Post 22558046)
I’ll be honest with ya, 38s are fine for gravel, IMO. Build it, and go have some awesome adventure with your wife.
Her knees have been deteriorating, so she got a Canondale road/gravel e-bike, which I spent a bit of time pimping out to make the off-road experience enjoyable. It now has a suspension stem and seat post, and 700C X 42 Hurricane Ridge endurance tires. She uses this primarily to commute (about 1/4 gravel and 3/4 very steep minor and ill-maintained paved roads), and sometimes for recreation rides, which she wants to do more of. This e-bike has helped both psychologically and physically, and now she wants a lightweight, non-e-bike, for both on and off-road. I currently have a custom steel bike which is in essence analogous to this frame. Barlows are the widest 700C tire I can fit in the frame, and it is fine for much of what I ride. (When it isn't, I have a second, 650b wheel-set, with 42mm back and 48mm front tires.) Her main complaint with my bike is she finds the 38mm tires (Rene Herse Extra Light Barlow Pass) to be "too sluggish." I think that is delusional, but the main point is I don't think she wants tires any wider than 38mm on what she hopes will be a lightweight bike. She took a close look at Trek's Checkpoints, but found the reach too elongated and the ride a bit ponderous; if I were to get another gravel bike, I would have found that ideal. I bought a set of Di2 Ultegra shifters/hydrolic brakes for $199 on sale about 3 years ago on impulse, figuring I would have a backup for mine, or do something else with them. So I might use these for the build. Maybe I should morph this into a build thread? |
Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
(Post 22557475)
I guess by "good" I mean reputable. I don't have any titanium bikes, but my understanding is that a frame-builder really has to know what they are doing or the welds might fail.
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Well, it arrived today. Package was mercifully unmangled.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5c5f0b39d.jpeg The fork was just tossed in there, at the bottom of the box, no protective wrapping, and the rear through-axle was just sitting there like that as well. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b8611f839.jpeg Fortunately, the frame looks ok: https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...942675f4c.jpeg Let's weigh it (with rear axle now inserted, and the seat tube clamp): https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...72d02ffc2.jpeg That's about 4 lbs, for those that don't do grams. |
Looks like the previous owner had some issues mounting a brake adapter:
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0f03ccb86.jpeg My cynical conclusion is that these were on sale because they were returns. No mention of that on Jenson. |
For those interested in tire clearance (what is possible, vs. what is a good idea):
I can get a 42mm wide RH Hurricane Ridge in both front and back, with about 4mm to spare on each side. It also looks like I could get the 48mm version in with 650b, but it would be tight. |
I can't answer your question, but have you checked out Litespeed or Lynskey? Their frame and forks, when I bought one of each a year ago (GR300 for me, Watia for the missus), weren't much more than that, and they often have 10-20% off sales. 700X44 or 650BX51.
That said, it sure looks nice. |
Was actually considering the same frameset... Welds look good enough in pics. How do they look in person? Comments on overall quality?
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Originally Posted by Caliwild
(Post 22560416)
Was actually considering the same frameset... Welds look good enough in pics. How do they look in person? Comments on overall quality?
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Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
(Post 22560895)
Welds:
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e5fe099a4.jpeg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cbf18c44a.jpeg |
When I had a custom bike built, I went for steel rather than titanium. I've never regretted my choice, but I have always been curious. $1K more would have got me titanium, which in retrospect was a pretty good deal. Maybe I should have done it. The frame I just bought is nearly the same size, so it will give me an idea if there is any difference. I definitely feel a difference between each of 4 steel bikes I have, so if I can somehow separate expectation bias ...
I think if I were to spend any more on a frame, I would have a custom one built. |
Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
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Originally Posted by thehammerdog
(Post 22563060)
Sage is great stuff
I haven't had a chance to do more than unbox it, weight it, and look at it, and begin the process of agonizing about every part. I started a separate thread about what drivetrain to use: https://www.bikeforums.net/cyclocros...avel-bike.html I've got some Di2 shifters/brakes that I will probably use in the build, and they work with road, grx and mountain (all 11-speed) derailleurs, which is a plus. My wife has started going down the wheel rabbit hole. |
This looks good:
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...39f2f30e0e.png At this point, we could probably afford the bar tape. |
Pretty bike. I almost bought the exact frame.
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Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
(Post 22563192)
Thanks. I finally figured that out. I just somehow had not heard of them.
I haven't had a chance to do more than unbox it, weight it, and look at it, and begin the process of agonizing about every part. I started a separate thread about what drivetrain to use: https://www.bikeforums.net/cyclocros...avel-bike.html I've got some Di2 shifters/brakes that I will probably use in the build, and they work with road, grx and mountain (all 11-speed) derailleurs, which is a plus. My wife has started going down the wheel rabbit hole. Do u ride? |
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