Notices
Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational) This has to be the most physically intense sport ever invented. It's high speed bicycle racing on a short off road course or riding the off pavement rides on gravel like : "Unbound Gravel". We also have a dedicated Racing forum for the Cyclocross Hard Core Racers.

Rubber rand on shoe?

Old 10-16-22, 10:26 AM
  #1  
rosefarts
With a mighty wind
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 2,191
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 871 Post(s)
Liked 610 Times in 363 Posts
Rubber rand on shoe?

I am thinking of replacing my old Shimano shoes. Theyíre beat to death.

Iíd be using them Gravel and MTB. Probably 80/20 since I only use clipless on the mountain bike on my enduro suffering days.

For true clipless shoes, Iím defining that as no flex to almost no flex and with built in ratchets or Boa systems. So I am not discussing things that look like MTB or skateboarding shoes that happen to be SPD compatible. Similarly, Iím also not looking for as casual shoes that are also SPD capable.

Ok, with that out of the way, I have damaged the toe of so many shoes. Picking up a stick or rock and speed. Having to scramble up or down something I canít ride. Picking my way up some loose hillside. Front pointing up some terrible loose stuff with baby skulls mixed in.

Ill be the first to admit that this is all self inflicted and that 98% of the damage happens while off the bike. But it IS in the pursuit of riding.

So does anyone make a solid serious amateur or modest racer type shoe with a toe cap? (Cat 3 shoes) Iím envisioning something like the front rand of a rock climbing shoe but without the wraparound tension of a full rand. I think this simple addition would add 5 years to the life of my shoes.

Shoe goo or Freesole may help but wouldnít hold up as long, and definitely doesnít stick as well once a pair is well used due to insidious dust.

Here is a very typical exposed front end of a very high quality cycling shoe




And here is the protective rubber that surrounds every climbing shoe on the market.





Can these two get together? 5.ten and Evolve, and Upclimbing and probably several other already make both types of shoes.
rosefarts is offline  
Old 10-16-22, 10:40 AM
  #2  
Rolla
Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 2,888
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1346 Post(s)
Liked 3,261 Times in 1,437 Posts
I found that cyclocross spikes raise the front of the shoe a bit, and that can help preserve the toe section. Also great for traction in mud, of course.



The Giro Empires shown also have a modicum of toe box protection.
Rolla is offline  
Likes For Rolla:
Old 10-16-22, 10:44 AM
  #3  
79pmooney
Senior Member
 
79pmooney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 11,248

Bikes: (2) ti TiCycles, 2007 w/ triple and 2011 fixed, 1979 Peter Mooney, ~1983 Trek 420 now fixed and ~1973 Raleigh Carlton Competition gravel grinder

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3837 Post(s)
Liked 2,699 Times in 1,763 Posts
Two thoughts - gluing down some tough leather to the toe with perhaps Barge Cement or covering the front of the shoe with 3-M 5200. I don't know how I would get a smooth, good looking finish with 5200 but it would last and protect. (You could go too thick and sand it smooth later.) 5200 is an adhesive we used to glue sailboat decks down to the flange of the hull. Once set, it is stronger than the inter-laminate bond of fiberglass. Those decks do not come off. I've glues sole rubber onto cycling shoes to make them cleat walkable and good floor friendly. I think that job is going to outlast the shoes. (Cleat bolts, straps, uppers ...)

The Barge approach should work. It would be far easier and when the leather is shot, you might be able to peel it off and renew. I'd cut and fit the leather, mask around it with tape, use powerful solvent to remove the original shoe gloss and leather dye and keep the masking tape in place until the Barge is applied and the leather stuck on. Edit: making the leather you apply the appropriate black is easy. Black shoe dye. Any cobbler will have if. One of those cotton puffs on a wire handle will apply it easily. (Probably comes with the jar.) Really easy, fast, dries fast and it's really black! (And will blacken all sorts of other things. Just don't get carried away, You won't be able to find your house in the dark.)

Last edited by 79pmooney; 10-16-22 at 10:50 AM.
79pmooney is offline  
Old 10-16-22, 11:38 AM
  #4  
rosefarts
With a mighty wind
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 2,191
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 871 Post(s)
Liked 610 Times in 363 Posts
Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
Two thoughts - gluing down some tough leather to the toe with perhaps Barge Cement or covering the front of the shoe with 3-M 5200. I don't know how I would get a smooth, good looking finish with 5200 but it would last and protect. (You could go too thick and sand it smooth later.) 5200 is an adhesive we used to glue sailboat decks down to the flange of the hull. Once set, it is stronger than the inter-laminate bond of fiberglass. Those decks do not come off. I've glues sole rubber onto cycling shoes to make them cleat walkable and good floor friendly. I think that job is going to outlast the shoes. (Cleat bolts, straps, uppers ...)

The Barge approach should work. It would be far easier and when the leather is shot, you might be able to peel it off and renew. I'd cut and fit the leather, mask around it with tape, use powerful solvent to remove the original shoe gloss and leather dye and keep the masking tape in place until the Barge is applied and the leather stuck on. Edit: making the leather you apply the appropriate black is easy. Black shoe dye. Any cobbler will have if. One of those cotton puffs on a wire handle will apply it easily. (Probably comes with the jar.) Really easy, fast, dries fast and it's really black! (And will blacken all sorts of other things. Just don't get carried away, You won't be able to find your house in the dark.)
I like the way you think. Iíve used Barge before to resole my own climbing shoes. It basically worked.

Amazon definitely has 1.2mm shoe rubber in sheets for cheap.

I could definitely do that. Knowing my luck, the buckles would break right after spending a bunch of time customizing the shoes.

I donít think Iím being that weird or have that esoteric of a riding style. It definitely seems like something that ought to exist.
rosefarts is offline  
Old 10-16-22, 11:05 PM
  #5  
mstateglfr 
Sunshine
 
mstateglfr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 15,100

Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo

Mentioned: 120 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9425 Post(s)
Liked 5,785 Times in 3,347 Posts
LG Granite is an spd shoe with a hard textured material around the toe box.
mstateglfr is offline  
Old 10-17-22, 02:55 AM
  #6  
Fentuz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: UK
Posts: 524

Bikes: Dahon Jetstream p8 (sold), customized Dahon Helios P18, customized Dahon Smooth Hound P9,customized Dahon Hammerhead 8.0 D7, Planet X Free Ranger (mullet setup), Frog 52 9s and Frog 48 1s

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 167 Post(s)
Liked 164 Times in 121 Posts
I used to ride with mavic crossmax elite and loved them and they wrap the foot well and can be fitted with bigger supplied studs. Great XC shoe

when they die, I tried shimano xc7 and did not like them, i settled for fizik terra atlas which are ok but the sole is not as aggressive a the crossmax but, they are OK to hike with if needed (3 punctures in one ride 5miles away feom home and no more spare tube for example)Ö as they have front stud threaded locations, I will be adding 2 front studs per shoes to deal with the local muddy rocky terrain.
Fentuz is offline  
Old 10-17-22, 09:32 AM
  #7  
Clipped_in
Rubber side down
 
Clipped_in's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Teh Quickie Mart
Posts: 1,753

Bikes: are fun! :-)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked 179 Times in 94 Posts
I'm riding Shimano XC5 MTB shoes (now the XC502) for gravel and I really like them. They're comfortable and very durable. Not nearly as stiff as my Bont Helix road shoes (ultra rigid), but that doesn't seem to matter. I would say they are medium stiff but flexible enough for me to stay in all of the time while bikepacking. I think the price is quite reasonable for the quality of the shoe.
Sounds to me like they may meet your criteria. Check 'em out:
LINK
Clipped_in is offline  
Likes For Clipped_in:
Old 10-17-22, 09:42 AM
  #8  
Clipped_in
Rubber side down
 
Clipped_in's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Teh Quickie Mart
Posts: 1,753

Bikes: are fun! :-)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked 179 Times in 94 Posts
Continued from above:
Here are my actual shoes after ~10k miles of riding and they are still going strong. No appreciable signs of wear inside or out.
Clipped_in is offline  
Old 11-28-22, 05:36 AM
  #9  
Sayemone
Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2022
Location: France
Posts: 11

Bikes: '93 Trek 520 - '94 Ferraroli Elegante - '95 Sunn 5000- '96 Decathlon Rockrider 700 - '21 Chiru Vagus Ti

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I have "old" Specialized Recon Mixed Terrain shoes.
Protection is great, carbon sole is stiff but flexible enough to hike-a-bike (not for too long) and the faux-leather is resistant.
One drawback is the outer sole where I have damaged some knobs.

Otherwise they're the most confortable shoes I have ever had, riding 12+ hours without pain. And I love their look!
They're not waterproof (mesh on top) though
Sayemone is offline  
Old 11-28-22, 10:57 AM
  #10  
msu2001la
Senior Member
 
msu2001la's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,294
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1096 Post(s)
Liked 1,093 Times in 645 Posts
I'm not sure which model of Sidi that is in the OP, but I have Sidi Drako MTB shoes and they have a hard plastic/rubber protective cap on the front of them:

msu2001la is offline  
Old 11-28-22, 12:18 PM
  #11  
Eric F
Habitual User
 
Eric F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Altadena, CA
Posts: 3,819

Bikes: 2019 Trek Procliber 9.9 SL, 2018 Storck Fascenario.3 Platinum, 2017 Bear Big Rock 1, 2003 Time VX Special Pro, 2001 Colnago VIP, 1999 Trek 9900 singlespeed, 1977 Nishiki ONP

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2323 Post(s)
Liked 3,631 Times in 1,725 Posts
I use the Bont Riot+ MTB for my gravel and MTB riding. It has some protection of the toe...


I have the road version of the Riot+, as well. My feet really like these shoes.
Eric F is offline  
Old 11-28-22, 01:01 PM
  #12  
msu2001la
Senior Member
 
msu2001la's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,294
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1096 Post(s)
Liked 1,093 Times in 645 Posts
Originally Posted by Rolla View Post
I found that cyclocross spikes raise the front of the shoe a bit, and that can help preserve the toe section. Also great for traction in mud, of course.
I love toe spikes for CX and MTB, but they do make walking in the shoes on hard surfaces very difficult. I wouldn't want to walk into a coffee shop in them, for instance.
msu2001la is offline  
Old 11-28-22, 04:08 PM
  #13  
chas58
Senior Member
 
chas58's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Michigan
Posts: 4,857

Bikes: too many of all kinds

Mentioned: 35 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1145 Post(s)
Liked 410 Times in 331 Posts
My shimano shoes haven't had a problem with this (basically post #8)

I supposed I could put a rand on them like I do with my climbing shoes (Barge to the rescue!). Lord knows I have plenty of that climbing shoe rubber.

I do have cleats on the tips of shoes (CX style). Doesn't hinder me walking, reduces the wear, and of course makes the "hike a bike uphill" a piece of cake compared to not having them.
chas58 is offline  
Old 11-28-22, 04:47 PM
  #14  
redlude97
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,755
Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1969 Post(s)
Liked 228 Times in 169 Posts
These have the most rubber rand I've seen I think https://quoc.cc/collections/gran-tou...39987142393879

redlude97 is offline  
Old 11-28-22, 07:13 PM
  #15  
cyclezen
OM boy
 
cyclezen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Goleta CA
Posts: 4,164

Bikes: a bunch

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 434 Post(s)
Liked 508 Times in 352 Posts
Originally Posted by Clipped_in View Post
I'm riding Shimano XC5 MTB shoes (now the XC502) for gravel and I really like them. They're comfortable and very durable. Not nearly as stiff as my Bont Helix road shoes (ultra rigid), but that doesn't seem to matter. I would say they are medium stiff but flexible enough for me to stay in all of the time while bikepacking. I think the price is quite reasonable for the quality of the shoe.
Sounds to me like they may meet your criteria. Check 'em out:
LINK
Great Thread !

Clipped_in I'm interested in the 'sizing' - what's your 'shoe size' and what size do you use in these shimanos?
From my experience with Shimano shoes over the years, sizing can vary enough to be a full size different between models; and I haven;t seen these in our area LBS...
Thx
Ride On
Yuri
cyclezen is offline  
Old 11-30-22, 09:52 AM
  #16  
Clipped_in
Rubber side down
 
Clipped_in's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Teh Quickie Mart
Posts: 1,753

Bikes: are fun! :-)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked 179 Times in 94 Posts
Originally Posted by cyclezen View Post
Clipped_in I'm interested in the 'sizing' - what's your 'shoe size' and what size do you use in these shimanos?Yuri
I typically wear a 11.5 D dress shoe. I wear a 46.5 road shoe. Shimano shoes don't come in half sizes so I went with a size 12. They fit great! Roomy in the toe box but not too much.
Clipped_in is offline  
Old 11-30-22, 01:36 PM
  #17  
cyclezen
OM boy
 
cyclezen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Goleta CA
Posts: 4,164

Bikes: a bunch

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 434 Post(s)
Liked 508 Times in 352 Posts
Originally Posted by Clipped_in View Post
I typically wear a 11.5 D dress shoe. I wear a 46.5 road shoe. Shimano shoes don't come in half sizes so I went with a size 12. They fit great! Roomy in the toe box but not too much.
Thanks... Last time I bought Shimano shoes, they were sized Euro (43,44,45...) not US...
Yuri
cyclezen is offline  
Old 11-30-22, 09:52 PM
  #18  
PhilFo 
Tinker-er
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Mid-Atlantic
Posts: 82

Bikes: 1958 Rudge Sports (all original); 1983 Univega Alpina Uno; 1981 Miyata 610; 1973 Raleigh Twenty

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Liked 38 Times in 31 Posts
Perhaps you could dip the toe in plasti-dip or some decent automotive bed covering to prevent getting torn up.
PhilFo is offline  
Likes For PhilFo:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.