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Old 01-07-07, 10:28 PM   #1
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Kool Stop salmon on Avid Shorty

I was just wondering if anyone has used the kool stop salmon pads in the cartridges for Avid Shorty 4s. I need a bit more braking power.
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Yes, they are an improvement over the standard pads.
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Do I need different brake cartridges like the Shimano ones, or can I use the Avid ones that came with the bike?
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Try them if they are the same configuration. Also, check the angle of the bridle how it pulls on the brakes. If it is too high the brakes will not be very powerful. I recently lowered them and improved the performance greatly. They went from speed attenuators to actual brakes.
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For the first go around replace them with the Shimano-type holders. Then you can just replace the pads after that without concern.
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Okay, the Avid brakes use V-brake style threaded holders, so I just ordered the XTR type threaded holders. The difference is that instead of the post being in the middle of the holder, it's slightly offset. Is this a problem? I already swapped out the straddle cable on the front for a > 90 degree lower cable. It helped immensely. Now that my brakes have worn in a bit, I don't even have any of the front brake vibration.
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FWIW, I just installed the KoolStop salmon pads in my Avid6's (I believe the only difference between the 6's and 4's is the color). The KoolStop pads are straight, and the Avid holders are curved, as were the stock pads. I applied a very small amount of grease to flanges on the KS pads (careful to not get any on the braking surface). They slid in nicely, retain pin popped right in. I took it out for a test ride and did some hard braking and they work great.

I had some front wheel brake squeal before, and that seems to have gone away, although I don't know if it's the pads or the careful pad adjustment this time around.
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got to try that with my Avid 6's.......toed them in and the squeal went away, but I still could use some more braking power. think I'm going to go with the KoolStop pads.....
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I'm just going to add my two cents:

I use Kool-Stop's dual compound "Mtn. Pads" with the Avid Shorty 4's on my CX bike. Tremendous improvement over the stock (junque!) Avid pads.

Can't say anything for the Kool-Stop replaceable cartridge-type pads.

P.S. Shorty 6 brakes use alloy hardware, vs. steel for the Shorty 4's. The 6's also use a higher-quality Avid beake pad ("Rim Wrangler"? i think is what they call it) Actual canti arm is identical with the exception of the paint.
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