Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational) This has to be the most physically intense sport ever invented. It's high speed bicycle racing on a short off road course or riding the off pavement rides on gravel like :The Dirty Kanza". We also have a dedicated Racing forum for the Cyclocross Hard Core Racers.

Kool Stop salmon on Avid Shorty

Reply

Old 01-07-07, 10:28 PM
  #1  
Falkon
The quieter you become...
Thread Starter
 
Falkon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 1,283

Bikes: 1973 Raleigh Superbe, 2006 Trek 4300 with no original parts, 1984 Ciocc, Custom Keith Anderson

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Kool Stop salmon on Avid Shorty

I was just wondering if anyone has used the kool stop salmon pads in the cartridges for Avid Shorty 4s. I need a bit more braking power.
__________________
Originally Posted by TechKnowGN
San Jose has to be the most boring place I've ever been. And I live in Ohio.
Falkon is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-07, 10:54 AM
  #2  
92degrees
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: in the shade
Posts: 492

Bikes: too few

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Yes, they are an improvement over the standard pads.
92degrees is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-07, 04:58 PM
  #3  
Falkon
The quieter you become...
Thread Starter
 
Falkon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 1,283

Bikes: 1973 Raleigh Superbe, 2006 Trek 4300 with no original parts, 1984 Ciocc, Custom Keith Anderson

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Do I need different brake cartridges like the Shimano ones, or can I use the Avid ones that came with the bike?
__________________
Originally Posted by TechKnowGN
San Jose has to be the most boring place I've ever been. And I live in Ohio.
Falkon is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-07, 07:16 AM
  #4  
Deanster04
Senior Member
 
Deanster04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Boulder, Colorado
Posts: 1,366

Bikes: Cinelli Supercoursa 69, Ritchey Breakaway Cross, Mondonico Diamond Extra 05, Coors Light Greg Lemond (built by Scapin) 88, Scapin MTB, Stumpjumper 83, Specialized Stumpjumper M4, Lemond Poprad 2001

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Try them if they are the same configuration. Also, check the angle of the bridle how it pulls on the brakes. If it is too high the brakes will not be very powerful. I recently lowered them and improved the performance greatly. They went from speed attenuators to actual brakes.
Deanster04 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-07, 08:58 AM
  #5  
cyclintom
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: San Leandro
Posts: 2,698

Bikes: Eddy Merckx Corsa Extra, Basso Loto, Pinarello Stelvio, Redline Cyclocross

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 166 Post(s)
For the first go around replace them with the Shimano-type holders. Then you can just replace the pads after that without concern.
cyclintom is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-07, 08:57 PM
  #6  
Falkon
The quieter you become...
Thread Starter
 
Falkon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 1,283

Bikes: 1973 Raleigh Superbe, 2006 Trek 4300 with no original parts, 1984 Ciocc, Custom Keith Anderson

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Okay, the Avid brakes use V-brake style threaded holders, so I just ordered the XTR type threaded holders. The difference is that instead of the post being in the middle of the holder, it's slightly offset. Is this a problem? I already swapped out the straddle cable on the front for a > 90 degree lower cable. It helped immensely. Now that my brakes have worn in a bit, I don't even have any of the front brake vibration.
__________________
Originally Posted by TechKnowGN
San Jose has to be the most boring place I've ever been. And I live in Ohio.
Falkon is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-07, 10:16 AM
  #7  
fenester
Senior Member
 
fenester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 174

Bikes: '01 Trek Clyde 4-speed, Surly Cross-check ss/fg

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
FWIW, I just installed the KoolStop salmon pads in my Avid6's (I believe the only difference between the 6's and 4's is the color). The KoolStop pads are straight, and the Avid holders are curved, as were the stock pads. I applied a very small amount of grease to flanges on the KS pads (careful to not get any on the braking surface). They slid in nicely, retain pin popped right in. I took it out for a test ride and did some hard braking and they work great.

I had some front wheel brake squeal before, and that seems to have gone away, although I don't know if it's the pads or the careful pad adjustment this time around.
fenester is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-07, 10:12 PM
  #8  
nowheels
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
got to try that with my Avid 6's.......toed them in and the squeal went away, but I still could use some more braking power. think I'm going to go with the KoolStop pads.....
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-07, 03:41 PM
  #9  
i_r_beej
Portland, OR
 
i_r_beej's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 318

Bikes: Cannondale: '94 R400; Lemond Poprad '06; Specialized Epic Marathon '06; Specialized Stumpjumper '89; Redline Proline Pro Cruiser '10

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'm just going to add my two cents:

I use Kool-Stop's dual compound "Mtn. Pads" with the Avid Shorty 4's on my CX bike. Tremendous improvement over the stock (junque!) Avid pads.

Can't say anything for the Kool-Stop replaceable cartridge-type pads.

P.S. Shorty 6 brakes use alloy hardware, vs. steel for the Shorty 4's. The 6's also use a higher-quality Avid beake pad ("Rim Wrangler"? i think is what they call it) Actual canti arm is identical with the exception of the paint.
i_r_beej is offline  
Reply With Quote

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Terms of Service