qw1a

Compared to simple ultegra calipers on my road bike, the Cane creek canti brakes that i've installed on my cross bike are horrible. There is zero modulation, it's either locked front wheel with fork shuddering like crazy or no stopping power at all. Adjusting the pads to have equal distance from the rim is impossible with the tube+cable straddles. There is nothing good I can say about them - so as soon as I'll hear someone saying 'I like canti brakes x' I will switch. What about all these non-adjustable euro style brakes? Are mini-v any better? What I want is the hassle-free existence similar to that of caliper brakes.

nowheels

mmm...... you get the modulation when you use an older style like a Spooky, 4ZA .... ect. I go a couple pair of almost new 4ZA's that I am going to posting for sale soon. But I agree whait what you are ecperiencing with the Cane creek..... the Avids also do the same thing. There are some people on this board that have had great success with the 'Mini-v's' .... But one you get a set of the older style set up... you hardle ever have to touch them.

Scooby Snax

I've fount that the Paul's Neo stop as well as V brakes when set up properly, i.e. getting the stradle cable at 90 degrees to the arms.
I run them on the front, with a Shimano rear Canti on the rear.

with this set up, I have enough power to get you up on the front wheel for a cossack dismount. (unless you dont clip out, then it's just plain funny or ugly depending on your point of view.)

flargle

I just came back from a road ride over hill and dale with absolutely zero complaints about my Cane Creek cantis. IMO they are solid and reliable and nicely adjustable (in comparison with the latest trend of Mafac clones). I have two ideas for you:
(1) not properly adjusted? Perhaps take them to the LBS that works with mountain bikes a lot, have them take a look.
(2) it might not be the brakes, but the fork. Lighter forks are more prone to shudder than heavier ones AFAIK.

trin2du

I'm still shopping around. I had settled on the Tektro CR720's and went to the LBS to see if they could get them. As we were flipping through the distrbiutors catalog we came across these.

Anyone have any experience with Origin8?

auk

They are light, and a copy of the Empella/Froggleg/etc., but they suck at adjustments. They offer no toe adustment unless you bend the pad posts.

trin2du

Don;t you have the same issue with the TRPs and some of the other brakes?

auk

TRPs are the same way. The CR720's have a adjustment options.

poprad

Consider this another vote for the Paul's NR cantis. Love 'em, but I haven't gotten into any good mud yet. I followed the directions to the letter, and ran the straddle cable at the full length as found in the package. They stop on a dime. I'd put them as having stopping power somewhere between my road discs and dual pivot road calipers.

They're also stone simple to install and adjust.

doubled

I run the frog leggs on my cdale. I would have been much easier to run shorty 6 or some other non post style brake. However when I convert the pads to BBB carriers i should be able to run road brake shoes in my empellas which would allow really easy pad changes between carbon wheels. Empellas offer alot of power and clearance. But youve probably heard that, its the obvious reason.

fogrider

as said, the pauls have amazing power when setup correctly...Vs are not legal in CX races and they are not designed to work with road levers. but some people do put Vs on CX bikes and make it work, its just not the norm.

bonechilling

Are you sure about that? I seem to remember reading that mini-V brake were all the rage in Europe for the past two years, and I know that I've seen US riders with them. I mean, this is the US, so the "governing body" is just happy that you can pin your number on correctly, so it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't notice your V-brakes.

tvphobic

As brakes are a constant subject in cyclocross, I have discussed the Paul neo-retro in this thread, the Tektro CR720 - a reasonable low-cost alternative. Since I just want to keep readers abreast of developments in the field, I rode with a buddy this weekend who had just installed the (newish)
Grenouille Cantilever brakes. This may be the one US source https://www.velo-orange.com/grcabr.html

This is a Taiwan-made ( how many bike parts aren't these days?) brake along the lines of the mafac canti.
I did not ride his bike as he was set up for speedplays and I use Atacs - and a larger frame. But his word is good - this is a chap who has placed at races in the last years. He likes the Grenouille, and I inspected it and checked out the leverage between lever and brake. Seems good- If you try them, keep us posted!

bigskyTi

FWIW I'll have a set of almost brand new Avid Shorty 6's coming off my Fantom Team pretty soon. I'm changing over to discs (more for looks than anything).

I've ridden the Avids once so far and they had pleanty of stopping power for my 190lbs on a MTB trail.

Cheers

Peter

tvphobic

Super-light 'cross brake (not available yet)

https://velonews.com/photo/83737

zephyr16

most people dont run v's because of the difference in actuation ratio which requires you to run the adaptor...there might be some mud clearance issues, but i doubt it. Obviously, no stock bike is going to come with the aftermarket adaptor, but even if tey did those adaptors dont make the brake feel very good anyways...
What is more commonplace is v's on ss cross bikes. because them dont need the integrated shifter, they can use ss road levers from either cane creek or tektro that have a mountain actuation ratio and mount just like regular road levers. these work great.

BlastRadius

Those look interesting but how do you adjust pad toe-in with those?

JeffS

With a hammer or big wrench.