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Old 02-27-22, 01:51 PM
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that’s pretty rad! First image makes it look like a righty fork
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Originally Posted by franswa
that’s pretty rad! First image makes it look like a righty fork
Thank you! That was right after the test ride. I didn't have the brake cable tighten enough and that's why the cable is so close to the wheel. I also have to move the levers up on the bars a bit and rotate the bars down a bit too.
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KS that actually a khs frame? I think I have seen it with 3 brand names.
The purple is nice.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
KS that actually a khs frame? I think I have seen it with 3 brand names.
The purple is nice.
It is a 1993 Performance M103 made by KHS out of True Temper OX Ultra 2 for Performance bike. The only difference between this and the Montana Pro is the location of the cable stops.
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Originally Posted by BoozyMcliverRot
It is a 1993 Performance M103 made by KHS out of True Temper OX Ultra 2 for Performance bike. The only difference between this and the Montana Pro is the location of the cable stops.
Similar situation...
I had a touring bike from 1990 made for an touring g company called Backwoods that was manufactured by Fuji. it was identical to Fuji's Saratoga touring frame, except for the downtube cable stops.
After a powdercoat, I slapped a Fuji decal in the front.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Similar situation...
I had a touring bike from 1990 made for an touring g company called Backwoods that was manufactured by Fuji. it was identical to Fuji's Saratoga touring frame, except for the downtube cable stops.
After a powdercoat, I slapped a Fuji decal in the front.
There are a lot of bikes like that. Like the Mercier KiloTT,Fuji Track and KHS Flite 100 are all the same frame.
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Originally Posted by BoozyMcliverRot
Like the Mercier KiloTT,Fuji Track and KHS Flite 100 are all the same frame.
Are you sure about that??
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Originally Posted by chaadster
Are you sure about that??
https://velospace.org/forums/discuss...kilo-tt-frame/

At one point they were all the same.

I worded the previous post wrong. I should they were all mass produced by the same company and rebranded at certain points.
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Originally Posted by BoozyMcliverRot
https://velospace.org/forums/discuss...kilo-tt-frame/

At one point they were all the same.

I worded the previous post wrong. I should they were all mass produced by the same company and rebranded at certain points.
I wouldn’t believe that either, not based on that Velospace discussion.
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Originally Posted by chaadster
I wouldn’t believe that either, not based on that Velospace discussion.
I know the Kil and Flite are the same,I've had both and they were identical. The Fuji I may be wrong on though.
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Originally Posted by BoozyMcliverRot
I know the Kil and Flite are the same,I've had both and they were identical. The Fuji I may be wrong on though.

Mercier Kilo TT



Fuji Flite 100

https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/mercier/kilott.htm

https://khsbicycles.com/bikes/2018-k.../flite-100-18/

Without even looking at geometry, that these are not the same frames is obvious, so what am I missing?
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Originally Posted by chaadster
I wouldn’t believe that either, not based on that Velospace discussion.
BikesDirect had some sort of deal for a handful of years where a few of their bikes were the same as other non-BD brands. BD Mercier had the same bike offerings as a Fuji or two for sure, and some Fuji were even sold on BD and BI sites. For all intents and purposes they were the same except for badges.
There were some fixie frames from Fuji, Mercier, and someone else that all used the same
Fuji's touring bike and BD's Windsor Tourist were the same for years too. For at least a couple years, Nashbar's touring frame was also the same frame as those bikes.
This is all 5-15 years ago though.
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Originally Posted by chaadster

Mercier Kilo TT



Fuji Flite 100

https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/mercier/kilott.htm

https://khsbicycles.com/bikes/2018-k.../flite-100-18/

Without even looking at geometry, that these are not the same frames is obvious, so what am I missing?
Crazy thought, maybe KHS produced more than one design of the Flite 100 thru the years? The gold KHS has the same chainstay crimp, same seatstay rack bosses, etc as the orange Mercier.
There is more than one version of the Mercier Kilo TT too as some had bottle bosses and others didnt.



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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Crazy thought, maybe KHS produced more than one design of the Flite 100 thru the years? The gold KHS has the same chainstay crimp, same seatstay rack bosses, etc as the orange Mercier.
There is more than one version of the Mercier Kilo TT too as some had bottle bosses and others didnt.



Yes,there have been a few variations of the Flie. At one point they were the same.
Edit: Also the same fork and aero downtube.
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Originally Posted by BoozyMcliverRot
Again, I would not take that to be true based on the Velospace discussion you linked to, and I would not take it to be true just because you think it is. You know, “trust but verify.”

For example, using the Web Archive Wayback Machine, I went back to 2016 and looked at the specs for both the Flite 100 and the Kilo TT. While the superficial commonalities you note are there, the geometries are different, evidenced by the Flite100 having a 275mm BB height, while the KTT has a taller 282mm of BB height.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120615...ometry_tt.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20120624...-flite-100.jpg

So, while you said they were the same, which they aren’t, and also said they were at some point, that wasn’t true in ‘16 either. When was it true? Was it ever true? I’m not saying it wasn’t ever true, only that some of the statements made in the discussion were incorrect.
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Originally Posted by chaadster
Again, I would not take that to be true based on the Velospace discussion you linked to, and I would not take it to be true just because you think it is. You know, “trust but verify.”

For example, using the Web Archive Wayback Machine, I went back to 2016 and looked at the specs for both the Flite 100 and the Kilo TT. While the superficial commonalities you note are there, the geometries are different, evidenced by the Flite100 having a 275mm BB height, while the KTT has a taller 282mm of BB height.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120615...ometry_tt.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20120624...-flite-100.jpg

So, while you said they were the same, which they aren’t, and also said they were at some point, that wasn’t true in ‘16 either. When was it true? Was it ever true? I’m not saying it wasn’t ever true, only that some of the statements made in the discussion were incorrect.
You have multiple people telling you that you are wrong. Those people are not only telly you why you are wrong but also showing you why you are wrong.

The people that are clarifying it for you are apparently vastly more knowledgeable on these bikes. You can chose to argue it all you want but it will not make you right.
You are correct that some statements were wrong but those were corrected.

The point of the matter is that yes,they were all three,the Fuji and the Kilo and the Flite we're all rebranded frames from the same manufacturer.

All three frames had had variations throughout there life. All three were the same frame with different branding at different times.

I did not intend to derail this thread with my comments. Can we get back to the Gravel/cross bikes please?

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Originally Posted by BoozyMcliverRot
You have multiple people telling you that you are wrong. Those people are not only telly you why you are wrong but also showing you why you are wrong.

The people that are clarifying it for you are apparently vastly more knowledgeable on these bikes. You can chose to argue it all you want but it will not make you right.
You are correct that some statements were wrong but those were corrected.

The point of the matter is that yes,they were all three,the Fuji and the Kilo and the Flite we're all rebranded frames from the same manufacturer.

I did not intend to derail this thread with my comments. Can we get back to the Gravel/cross bikes please?
Your chat room rumor spreading is not fact based.
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Originally Posted by chaadster
Your chat room rumor spreading is not fact based.
Sure my dude. Don't take my word for it though. Head over to single speed and fixed gear and let the others who have been riding these bike for the past 2 decades correct you.
Maybe that's too much work for you though just to find out we are right and you are wrong.

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Originally Posted by BoozyMcliverRot
Sure my dude. Don't take my word for it though. Head over to single speed and fixed gear and let the others who have been riding these bike for the past 2 decades correct you.
Maybe that's too much work for you though just to find out we are bright and you are wrong.
Your faith in internet chat room blather is appalling. Had I not called your misstatements out, undoubtedly some other gullible reader would have regurgitated it as fact. I can only hope that now they know better.
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Your faith in internet chat room blather is appalling. Had I not called your misstatements out, undoubtedly some other gullible reader would have regurgitated it as fact. I can only hope that now they know better.
Multiple people corrected you. Like I said,go over to SSFG ask someone like Tejano Trakie or Scrod. Someone who knows better.

What is appalling is your inability to admit that you are wrong.
It's ok to be wrong though,that means you just learned something.
Refusing to accept new information because it contradicts your previous belief is stunted at best. Good luck. Natural selection can be rough.
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Your faith in internet chat room blather is appalling. Had I not called your misstatements out, undoubtedly some other gullible reader would have regurgitated it as fact. I can only hope that now they know better.
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Originally Posted by BoozyMcliverRot
Sure my dude. Don't take my word for it though. Head over to single speed and fixed gear and let the others who have been riding these bike for the past 2 decades correct you.
Maybe that's too much work for you though just to find out we are right and you are wrong.
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Your faith in internet chat room blather is appalling. Had I not called your misstatements out, undoubtedly some other gullible reader would have regurgitated it as fact. I can only hope that now they know better.
In the time you guys have devoted to arguing over this, I could've earned enough money to buy a couple of them. Not that I would want a cheap ten-year old fixie.
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