emayex

fwiw.... I meant to add a question mark to the threat title. I dont actually know anything... just trying to figure things out. All of the above is helpful. Thanks team.

milnerpt

I have a 09 fuji cross pro. I paid less than a grand for it before tax, not including cashback points. It was spec'd out with Ritchey Pro stem, bars, post, etc.... I dont think last years Motobecane was built up with those parts.

I cant say for this years comparison.... but I will say that this years Fuji Cross pro seems to have skimped out on a lot of the fine details of last years model, including bars, stem, wheelset, etc.... They just keep the price the same, and make more money by building it with low end parts.

GipsyKing

FWIW, I've recently exchanged a few pm's with the owner of BD (I had questions on his 'cross bikes) and he seems like a genuine, customer-focused busines owner who cares about getting quality bikes to his customers at decent prices, period.

"Fanboy"? Hardly. I've never even owned one of their bikes. Been on a Giant Rincon since '97. I just hate seeing people maligned for no good reason which is kinda' what some of this thread looks like. Why would it be surprising that BD bike owners would post about their experience? And why is that bad? Because they like their bikes (as you like your Fuji) and want to tell people about that? They are clearly satisfied with their bike purchase, and want to share that...so by your own logic, you are a Fuji fanboy? Doubt it! j/k and no offense, just making light of an odd situation.

Back to the OP: the Motos and Fujis come off the same frame line and are very similar if not the same in geo. I'd say draw your own conclusions. I'm shopping both brands right now (along with Kona JTS and Surly Cross Check). Tested a Fuji Cross Comp yesterday at my LBS which is priced at $1299. Right now this bike is on sale at Performance for $999 which is a nice deal for full 105. Don't know if they're offering other goodies as well, but it's moot to me because none of their shops are near where I live.

I could ask my LBS to come down to 999 out the door on that Fuji CC, and who knows, they might (but I doubt it)...but the Moto (and the Windsor Cyclo with 105/Ultegra) are arguably as good or better spec'd across the board for the same price. Whatever. Comes down to the ride and style you like.

GeneO 

GypsyKing. I Don't know where in this thread that you got BD was being maligned. There is just not agreement that the Fuji and BD cyclross have the same frame. Nothing bad about that, that was the TOPIC after all. What evidence do you have that these bikes come off the same frame line?

emayex

Just ordered a Fantom Cross Pro. Bikes Direct -- if you're tracking this thread -- I'd love if you could please mail mine ASAP

redspoke

I'll send it ASAP! LOL!

GipsyKing

Forget who it was and don't feel like ferreting it out, but someone in an earlier post in the thread said something about the BD owner saying/doing "sketchy" things, that certainly qualifies; that and the "fanboy" comment just seem over the top to me. Have read elsewhere on the forum that a Moto owner unwrapped his cork tape and found a Fuji stamp or logo or something beneath it. So from that, one can surmise the frames come off the same line/same factory, however you want to put it. Others have said they compared geos and they are nearly identical. Whatever is what I say...no biggie where frame comes from to me (so long as it's quality), I say get the bike you like that likes you back!

emayex

Thanks for the advice Redspoke. I went with the 61 afterall. We'lllll seeee.

GipsyKing

I just compared the geo on 56 Fuj Cross Comp to the 56 Fantom Cross and they are the same but for wheelbase and bb.
https://www.fujibikes.com/Specialty/C...CrossComp.aspx
https://www.motobecane.com/cross/fcx.html#geo

Again, draw your own conclusions.

redspoke

Did you get it in white? It looks exactly like a Fuji after you get it dirty.

GeneO 

Or you can just look at the pictures and see they are not the same frame and draw your conclusions. I don't believe the Fuji label story btw.

GeneO 

Congrats. I am sure you will like the Fantom Cross pro. Looks like a good bike and the Aksium wheels will probably be pretty true out of the box.

milnerpt

just because two bikes have the same geometry does not mean they are the same frame.

milnerpt

clarification after looking at your links.... they arent even the same geometry!

different wheelbases. different bottom bracket heights...

Garilia

hmmm, the BB drop is identical, the wheelbase is off by 2.2 millimeters.

emayex

Of course I got it in white. Better contrast with the mud.

GipsyKing

Clarification to what? The fact that I already wrote that the bb and wheelbases differ?

It's not my story. Maybe that guy made it up, maybe he didn't. Search the forum and take it up with him if you're that concerned with it, GeneO. And obviously they don't look alike, anyone can see that. The comparisons I drew were perhaps too subtle, I apologize for not being more clear...what I should've said was to think of it this way: VW Passat / Audi A4; Ford Taurus / Mercury Sable (years ago). = Platform sharing of some sort is likely going on. Not uncommon and not surprising.

And really, guys...why would it matter if they're the same geo (or close to it) or not? The OP was simply posing a question which many people answered, some helpfully, some not. At the end of the day...it really doesn't matter, does it?

GipsyKing

Congrats and enjoy the new ride!

I am fairly close to picking out my new ride as well. Narrowed it down today to Fuji Cross Comp or Moto Outlaw. Tough choice.

RT

Be sure to post pics and a ginormous review when you get it out for a spin.

chefxian

I just got the Fantom Cross Pro a few weeks ago. It hasn't exploded so thats a good thing. The lamest thing are the cheap handlebars,stem, saddle and seatpost.

I also took the cheater brake levers off. The rear brake was a pain in the arse but the shop switched somethings out. I've also had 6 flats in 50 miles of riding compared to my road bike that has 5000k miles and 3 flats.

emayex

planning to swap/seat/bars/post stem asap. what was wrong with rear brake?

i hate the bartop levers. easy way to remove them?

bike arrives monday...i hope

RT

If you are apt with a wrench, removing those bar top levers isn't that hard. You will need some new housing, but the cable should be fine.

himespau 

why do you want to remove them? I'm awaiting a set in the mail to put on, but then I spend more time on the tops than I should.

masont

i have an 8' tape measure and an 8' 2x4. They have the same measurements! They must be the same thing!

CodyWy

I understand that you don't want it to be true.