Dura Ace 7700 the Best Looking DA Group?
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Dura Ace 7700 the Best Looking DA Group?
I believe the Dura Ace 7700 series was the last-best looking Dura Ace group set ever made.
I loved the previous 7400 group. The metal was sensuously sculpted and the parts actually looked light. It was the group that enticed me to upgrade my lowly 600EX parts. The rear derailleur had beautiful dark and clear anodizing. The group got even better with the introduction of the gray aero brake levers and gray downtube shifters. But it never got beyond 8-speed.
The 7800 group crank is a blob of aluminum flowing into inelegant chainrings; the rear freehub features a bulbous protrusion on the drive-side, ostensibly to accommodate the freehub body; the brake calipers gained some unnecessary angularity, while the upper caliper arm seems modeled on the Statue of Liberty’s torch arm, holding the barrel adjuster up high, beseeching the poor, huddled masses to tighten the cable. The stubby and inelegant quick-release lever does not help.
The following Dura Ace component sets only go downhill from there in terms of aesthetics. Black parts have no place on bikes—even black plastic bikes. Sure—you can talk about increased numbers of gears or electronic shifting, but truly, the last-best looking Dura Ace group was the 7700.
The 7700 crankset is a tour-de-force of form following function, with elegant arms spreading out from a central self-extracting bolt, replacing the smooth dustcap of the previous iteration. The initial Hollowtech crank arm technology hides a weight-saving channel running down the crankarms’ center—and to my knowledge these cranks don’t fail, as later models have. The brakes are graceful and functional; the rear hub is bulb-free, sporting its nine cogs, some made out of titanium, on a titanium body. The rear derailleur is sublime in its lines and anodizing. While integrated shift/brake levers were available, Shimano also still offered downtube shifters. Coupled with the gray 7402 brake levers with return spring and the rare but striking Dura Ace quill stem, the cockpit was the quintessence of elegance.
Sure, the bottom bracket and the pedals leave something to be desired (an Ultegra Octalink cartridge bottom bracket is certainly an acceptable and functional substitute, as are PD-7400 pedals; arguably the nicest platform pedals ever made), but beyond those quibbles, I believe the 7700 group represents the ultimate high water mark for Dura Ace components. If I could only afford the 25th Anniversary version, whose fit and finish is beyond luxurious.
I loved the previous 7400 group. The metal was sensuously sculpted and the parts actually looked light. It was the group that enticed me to upgrade my lowly 600EX parts. The rear derailleur had beautiful dark and clear anodizing. The group got even better with the introduction of the gray aero brake levers and gray downtube shifters. But it never got beyond 8-speed.
The 7800 group crank is a blob of aluminum flowing into inelegant chainrings; the rear freehub features a bulbous protrusion on the drive-side, ostensibly to accommodate the freehub body; the brake calipers gained some unnecessary angularity, while the upper caliper arm seems modeled on the Statue of Liberty’s torch arm, holding the barrel adjuster up high, beseeching the poor, huddled masses to tighten the cable. The stubby and inelegant quick-release lever does not help.
The following Dura Ace component sets only go downhill from there in terms of aesthetics. Black parts have no place on bikes—even black plastic bikes. Sure—you can talk about increased numbers of gears or electronic shifting, but truly, the last-best looking Dura Ace group was the 7700.
The 7700 crankset is a tour-de-force of form following function, with elegant arms spreading out from a central self-extracting bolt, replacing the smooth dustcap of the previous iteration. The initial Hollowtech crank arm technology hides a weight-saving channel running down the crankarms’ center—and to my knowledge these cranks don’t fail, as later models have. The brakes are graceful and functional; the rear hub is bulb-free, sporting its nine cogs, some made out of titanium, on a titanium body. The rear derailleur is sublime in its lines and anodizing. While integrated shift/brake levers were available, Shimano also still offered downtube shifters. Coupled with the gray 7402 brake levers with return spring and the rare but striking Dura Ace quill stem, the cockpit was the quintessence of elegance.
Sure, the bottom bracket and the pedals leave something to be desired (an Ultegra Octalink cartridge bottom bracket is certainly an acceptable and functional substitute, as are PD-7400 pedals; arguably the nicest platform pedals ever made), but beyond those quibbles, I believe the 7700 group represents the ultimate high water mark for Dura Ace components. If I could only afford the 25th Anniversary version, whose fit and finish is beyond luxurious.
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I pretty much agree - it's a toss up for me between the 7400 and 7700. Love the 7400 series; everything about it has a timeless classic design.
I find much of the 9000 series DA stuff to be hideously designed.
I find much of the 9000 series DA stuff to be hideously designed.
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DA9000 is the best looking ever made, followed by 7400 and 7700.
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I LOVE the 7400 stuff. Everything about it was beautifully designed. I remember when I got my first 7400 rear derailleur in 1987. Before I put it on the bike I spent hours studying it in my hands.. It was truly like a piece of jewelry.
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I thought this was the C&V forum? 7700 is far too current. I'm going with first gen Dura Ace in black:

(photo from https://www.pinterest.com/pin/295759900499645374/)

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I thought this was the C&V forum? 7700 is far too current. I'm going with first gen Dura Ace in black:

(photo from https://www.pinterest.com/pin/295759900499645374/)

(photo from https://www.pinterest.com/pin/295759900499645374/)
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I too have to go with the DA 7400 for it's jewel like appearance. I studied the one I got for my Allez Pro for days before installing it.

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I thought this was the C&V forum? 7700 is far too current. I'm going with first gen Dura Ace in black:

(photo from https://www.pinterest.com/pin/295759900499645374/)

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I'm trying to decide if you are making love to your groupset or what is going on here.
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The 7410 crankset is the most beautiful crankset ever made. Period. The 7700 looks like it TRIED to be as pretty as the 7410 but failed.
The 7402 RD is the best looking derailleur Shimano ever made, but I think Campy made prettier ones.
The 7700 STIs are better looking than the 7401s, though. I'll give you that.
7400 hubs are way better looking than anything earlier, but the 7700s look the same.
I currently have a nearly complete 7410 groupset that I'm keeping, waiting for the right frame to come along. It could be a while....
The 7402 RD is the best looking derailleur Shimano ever made, but I think Campy made prettier ones.
The 7700 STIs are better looking than the 7401s, though. I'll give you that.
7400 hubs are way better looking than anything earlier, but the 7700s look the same.
I currently have a nearly complete 7410 groupset that I'm keeping, waiting for the right frame to come along. It could be a while....
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The 7410 crankset is the most beautiful crankset ever made. Period. The 7700 looks like it TRIED to be as pretty as the 7410 but failed.
The 7402 RD is the best looking derailleur Shimano ever made, but I think Campy made prettier ones.
The 7700 STIs are better looking than the 7401s, though. I'll give you that.
7400 hubs are way better looking than anything earlier, but the 7700s look the same.
I currently have a nearly complete 7410 groupset that I'm keeping, waiting for the right frame to come along. It could be a while....
The 7402 RD is the best looking derailleur Shimano ever made, but I think Campy made prettier ones.
The 7700 STIs are better looking than the 7401s, though. I'll give you that.
7400 hubs are way better looking than anything earlier, but the 7700s look the same.
I currently have a nearly complete 7410 groupset that I'm keeping, waiting for the right frame to come along. It could be a while....
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I'm still a huge 7700 fan, but boy, the DA 9000 with the combo of the polished chrome and glossy black....those are beautiful calipers, RD, FD.
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I believe the Dura Ace 7700 series was the last-best looking Dura Ace group set ever made.
... beyond those quibbles, I believe the 7700 group represents the ultimate high water mark for Dura Ace components. If I could only afford the 25th Anniversary version, whose fit and finish is beyond luxurious.
... beyond those quibbles, I believe the 7700 group represents the ultimate high water mark for Dura Ace components. If I could only afford the 25th Anniversary version, whose fit and finish is beyond luxurious.
It almost hurt to see anyone touch it.
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I tend to agree.
I like the 7700 GS, but I see your point.
I agree, and they shift as light and precise as any STI ever made.
The 7403 is the best all-around set I've ever used, but Those 8-speed Campy Records are so darn pretty.
Narrow BB spindle? I've only ever seen the crankset, and I think it used something like a 103-104mm....
I like the 7700 GS, but I see your point.
I agree, and they shift as light and precise as any STI ever made.
The 7403 is the best all-around set I've ever used, but Those 8-speed Campy Records are so darn pretty.
Narrow BB spindle? I've only ever seen the crankset, and I think it used something like a 103-104mm....
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IMO, the most recent DA - and Ultegra and 105, for that matter, are purposeful in a way that makes them attractive, but the 7410 era is just better looking.
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