New Drivetrain, need help
Hi guys,
I have two high powered ebike builds and I am having trouble sourcing some upgrades. I have one bike that has a 3000w nominal mid mounted battery that uses the drive train for momentum. The chain and cogs are not able to hold up unless the power output is lowered using the controller. Anyways I want to install a much sturdier chain and cogs even if I have to do a single-speed setup. I can't find any info on this type of upgrade. That previous bike was for my father. My bike on the other hand can reach speeds of about 45mph and I use a DD motor. I want to be able to pedal around 30-40mph range. My wheels are 22" and my 12t x 52t setup is not at all useful above 30mph. It looks like if I change to an 80t cog for my front then I'll be able to have a nice cadence for 30-40mph. Does anyone have a link to an 80t chainwheel that is for sale? TLDR: 1.) Any ideas on sourcing a motorcycle chain/cogs that can attach to a standard bicycle? 2.) Any ideas on sourcing a 80t chainwheel? Thank you, Al |
If youre pushing out more power than a regular bike drivetrain can handle, then youre ALSO pushing out more power than a regular frame and fork is built to handle. And that you're probably reaching speeds regular brakes aren't meant to deal with.
I'm NOT helping you get that contraption on the road. |
Originally Posted by dabac
(Post 18947508)
If youre pushing out more power than a regular bike drivetrain can handle, then youre ALSO pushing out more power than a regular frame and fork is built to handle. And that you're probably reaching speeds regular brakes aren't meant to deal with.
I'm NOT helping you get that contraption on the road. |
Originally Posted by dabac
(Post 18947508)
If youre pushing out more power than a regular bike drivetrain can handle, then youre ALSO pushing out more power than a regular frame and fork is built to handle. And that you're probably reaching speeds regular brakes aren't meant to deal with.
I'm NOT helping you get that contraption on the road.
Originally Posted by dsbrantjr
(Post 18947516)
Especially brakes. You are in "test pilot" territory, good luck.
Here is my frame: Qulbix Raptor 140 Bicycle Frame Kit Here are my hydraulic brakes, Front: TEKTRO BRAKE SYSTEMS Rear: TEKTRO BRAKE SYSTEMS This is not a bicycle, this is more of a moped and substantially more sturdy than one. I would appreciate your guys' help finding the right parts for my bike. |
Which chain and cogs are you currently using? The most durable bits will be single speed track bike parts (1/8" chain and compatible chainring and freewheel). If you want multiple gears, I'm not sure what to tell you other than try to keep the chain in contact with as many teeth as possible using big chainrings and big cassette cogs and probably a maximum of 7 speeds.
Some folding bikes use massive chainrings (IIRC around 60T). 80T would almost certainly be custom. Do you have any friends with a CNC? If not, how much are you willing to spend to make something custom? I can help you get there but it won't be cheap making a one-off. |
There is a 70T chainring on E-Bay for a reasonable price.
Bikingreen 70T BCD130 Recumbent Chainring CNC 7075 Road Fixie Black TT Track | eBay I think I had seen an 80T for sale by various trike & small wheel bike companies, but generally quite expensive. |
Originally Posted by Loysius
(Post 18947152)
I have one bike that has a 3000w nominal mid mounted battery...
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Originally Posted by joejack951
(Post 18948126)
Which chain and cogs are you currently using? The most durable bits will be single speed track bike parts (1/8" chain and compatible chainring and freewheel). If you want multiple gears, I'm not sure what to tell you other than try to keep the chain in contact with as many teeth as possible using big chainrings and big cassette cogs and probably a maximum of 7 speeds.
Some folding bikes use massive chainrings (IIRC around 60T). 80T would almost certainly be custom. Do you have any friends with a CNC? If not, how much are you willing to spend to make something custom? I can help you get there but it won't be cheap making a one-off.
Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 18948207)
There is a 70T chainring on E-Bay for a reasonable price.
Bikingreen 70T BCD130 Recumbent Chainring CNC 7075 Road Fixie Black TT Track | eBay I think I had seen an 80T for sale by various trike & small wheel bike companies, but generally quite expensive.
Originally Posted by deapee
(Post 18948274)
As a person that's just reading along for understanding/learning, can you clarify this? If a battery is rated at 3000w, which is amperage times voltage, how does this correlate to knowing that the motor is powerful? Couldn't you have that same battery with a less-powerful motor? A couple posters seemed to know that the motor was powerful, and I'm just curious how they knew this without it being mentioned. I do see your mentions of top speed, which can be hit at a fairly average power output with the gearing mentioned. Was it the mention of 80t/12t that infers the power being discussed here. Thanks!
The 45mph is what most likely tipped people off that it was a powerful setup. An ebikes ability is mostly based off of the battery since even if the motor can't handle a high continuous wattage it can at least handle high wattages in small bursts with cool down time in between. If the motor isn't a regular hub motor and instead a geared hub then the internal gears may be shredded under heavy loads. Usually heat is the main issue. 12t and 80t are what cog sizes I want to use for my pedal drive-train. So one full circle of my pedals would rotate the chain by 80 links and since the rear wheel has a 12t cog it will rotate 1 time for each 12 chain links. 80/12 is my pedal rotation to tire rotation ratio. My rear tire will rotate 6.66 times for every 1 rotation of my pedals. Since my rear tire is 22" diameter and 80-90 pedal rotations/min tends to be optimal you can plug all the numbers together to find the speed you can get dependent upon the cog ratios. I want to be able to assist my bike at 25-35mph since that is a good speed for me so I was looking to see if anyone on this forum had some insights on where to source parts. |
Thanks for the informative response...I really appreciated that.
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Originally Posted by Loysius
(Post 18947152)
TLDR:
1.) Any ideas on sourcing a motorcycle chain/cogs that can attach to a standard bicycle? 2.) Any ideas on sourcing a 80t chainwheel? Thank you, Al |
An 80t chainring would be quite vulnerable, too. Perhaps you should start over, using 36" tires?
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Thread moved from Bike Mechanics to Electric Bikes.
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The guy at electricbike-blog (dot) com has done a lot of rear hub testing with high power motors. Possibly one of the 3spd Internal Geared Hubs (IGH) will work for you with a single speed straight shot setup chain. Take a look around his site if you haven't already. Straight talker, because he's been there and done it... until it breaks!
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I had to replace a front worn out chain ring on my Giant LaFree, but they no longer made them. What I did was cut down my old worn out chain ring and weld a new one to it. Problem solved. If you can source the correct ratio and size drive parts, you can always weld them to the old bike parts. Or, run double chains for more strength.
Moped chains and gears are really quite big, probably larger then what is needed. |
1) SRAM will have released an e-bike specific drivetrain by Interbike (end of September).
2) I think that your only hope is a Schlumpf drive (look at endless sphere for a reference). |
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