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Old 09-01-16, 11:17 AM
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Felt bad for the roadie, but I was impressed.

On yesterday's commute I came upon a roadie on the MUP. He was cruising along pretty good at 16mph uphill. I passed him as we both slowed at a road crossing. I maintained my pace at 20 mph. I could see that he was working very hard to stay on my back wheel.

I was not racing (I know pedal assist knocks off at 20mph) but I could tell he was not going to let a fat Old man in tennis shoes hauling panniers drop him. He did stay on my wheel for about 1.5 miles, then the terrain flattened and he passed me. He was maintaining a 50-100 yard lead. Then as he approached a hill I closed on him but he pulled away again on flat land. I turned off to go home.

I really wanted to catch him and ride side by side for a bit to let him know that I was on an ebike. I'm sure he had no idea because it's silent and the panniers hide the rear hub. I would have liked to let him know how impressive it was to see him take that long hill (It's not steep) at 20mph. I've done it on my road bike and my best is about 13mph. I'm glad I was able to help a roadie push himself, but it would have been nice for him to know.
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Originally Posted by InTheRain View Post
On yesterday's commute I came upon a roadie on the MUP. He was cruising along pretty good at 16mph uphill. I passed him as we both slowed at a road crossing. I maintained my pace at 20 mph. I could see that he was working very hard to stay on my back wheel.

I was not racing (I know pedal assist knocks off at 20mph) but I could tell he was not going to let a fat Old man in tennis shoes hauling panniers drop him. He did stay on my wheel for about 1.5 miles, then the terrain flattened and he passed me. He was maintaining a 50-100 yard lead. Then as he approached a hill I closed on him but he pulled away again on flat land. I turned off to go home.

I really wanted to catch him and ride side by side for a bit to let him know that I was on an ebike. I'm sure he had no idea because it's silent and the panniers hide the rear hub. I would have liked to let him know how impressive it was to see him take that long hill (It's not steep) at 20mph. I've done it on my road bike and my best is about 13mph. I'm glad I was able to help a roadie push himself, but it would have been nice for him to know.
And... That, is how I look at it...
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You should hang a sign off the back: "Dear Roadies, Don't worry, it's an e-bike!"
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there have been a couple of times I didn't figure this out right away. However, there are very few pedal-assist bikes around here and usually I figure out the person is riding an ebike because they don't have to pedal uphill.
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Old 09-01-16, 04:40 PM
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Don't ride motorized vehicles on the MUP.

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Old 09-01-16, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by memebag View Post
Don't ride motorized vehicles on the MUP.

Motorized vehicles are required to be licensed here. My ebike is classified as a bicycle until it does not meet the restrictions of an ebike... then it's a motorized vehicle. I'm not sure what the problem is... the guy on his regular bike was faster than I was on an ebike... does the motor make me more dangerous? I have ridden down the MUP on my ebike along with a cop on a bicycle, he was totally fine with it and said next time he wants to take a spin himself.

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Old 09-01-16, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
there have been a couple of times I didn't figure this out right away. However, there are very few pedal-assist bikes around here and usually I figure out the person is riding an ebike because they don't have to pedal uphill.
My ebike does not have a throttle... no pedal, no go.
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Old 09-01-16, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by corrado33 View Post
You should hang a sign off the back: "Dear Roadies, Don't worry, it's an e-bike!"
That would ruin their motivation right away. I'm not sure all of them are out there to race... especially on an MUP.
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See how impressed you are when you run your battery down or it craps the bed.
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Originally Posted by trailangel View Post
See how impressed you are when you run your battery down or it craps the bed.
There are E-Bikes out there that can go for 100Miles without pedalling... I'm pretty sure most people can't do that AND COME OUT AHEAD... There is a motor helping.
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Originally Posted by InTheRain View Post
Motorized vehicles are required to be licensed here. My ebike is classified as a bicycle until it does not meet the restrictions of an ebike... then it's a motorized vehicle. I'm not sure what the problem is... the guy on his regular bike was faster than I was on an ebike... does the motor make me more dangerous? I have ridden down the MUP on my ebike along with a cop on a bicycle, he was totally fine with it and said next time he wants to take a spin himself.
Your vehicle has a motor. It's a motorized vehicle. The problem is motorized vehicles aren't allowed on MUPs. If they let bicycles with weak motors on, what's to stop motorcycles from riding the MUP? They don't say "strong motorized vehicles prohibited". It's all of them.
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I'll have to ask a forest preserve cop who plays golf with me, what he would do about me riding my ebikes on the miles of trails crossing his jurisdiction, just to see how they read the law.

In my state (Illinois), e-bikes under 750W and which cannot go more than 20 mph under electric power alone are excluded from the definition of motor vehicles.
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E-bikes are now permitted on the MUPs here in California. I don't have a problem with it. E-bikes up to Type 2 (20mph limited, like the OP's) are allowed on Class I bikeways. I go faster than that by pedaling. What's the big deal? We're supposed to encourage people to commute by bike, not yell at them for having e-assist. If I had to commute any appreciable distance, I'd have a motor.

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Originally Posted by memebag View Post
Your vehicle has a motor. It's a motorized vehicle. The problem is motorized vehicles aren't allowed on MUPs. If they let bicycles with weak motors on, what's to stop motorcycles from riding the MUP? They don't say "strong motorized vehicles prohibited". It's all of them.
You dont have it right memebag. Weve talked this to death with people with similar views. The signs were worded before there were e-bikes so just using the generic word "motorized" isnt an accurate description. They actually dont want vehicles with engines on the trails. As noted, most e-bikes fit the federal description of bicycle, and have no registration so they are allowed on the trail even though they have a motor.

Eventually there will be accurate signs that reflect the allowable usage of bicycles and other low powered electrical devices. Electric wheelchairs and scooters for handicapped people fit into that usage too.

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You dont have it right memebag. Weve talked this to death with people with similar views. The signs were worded before there were e-bikes so just using the generic word "motorized" isnt an accurate description. They actually dont want vehicles with engines on the trails. As noted, most e-bikes fit the federal description of bicycle, and have no registration so they are allowed on the trail even though they have a motor.

Eventually there will be accurate signs that reflect the allowable usage of bicycles and other low powered electrical devices. Electric wheelchairs and scooters for handicapped people fit into that usage too.

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So how will the signs be worded? What will the cutoff be for horsepower?
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Each state has a law which seems "trumped" by more local ordinances (county, park etc). Also, the government designates its areas. CA state law (look up AB 1086) says that Class 1&2 e-bikes are to be treated tha same as bicycles, although as indicated above can vary by area. Almost universally (or universally) is the condition for physically challenged individuals to be able to use e-bikes in park and other off road areas. Any other states that don't comply will probably be visited by the ADA, and serves them right.
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Each state has a law which seems "trumped" by more local ordinances (county, park etc). Also, the government designates its areas. CA state law (look up AB 1086) says that Class 1&2 e-bikes are to be treated tha same as bicycles, although as indicated above can vary by area. Almost universally (or universally) is the condition for physically challenged individuals to be able to use e-bikes in park and other off road areas. Any other states that don't comply will probably be visited by the ADA, and serves them right.
AB 1086:

Bill Text - AB-1086 Assignment of reimbursement rights.

"An act to add Section 1371.34 to the Health and Safety Code, and to add Section 10133.75 to the Insurance Code, relating to health care coverage."

Can't find definition of class 1 and 2 e-bikes.
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Amazing how a light hearted thread turns into a urinating contest about the wording of a road sign. Time to lighten up me thinks.
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Originally Posted by memebag View Post
Your vehicle has a motor. It's a motorized vehicle. The problem is motorized vehicles aren't allowed on MUPs. If they let bicycles with weak motors on, what's to stop motorcycles from riding the MUP? They don't say "strong motorized vehicles prohibited". It's all of them.
Well, you just have to read the laws in your own jurisdiction. Motorized wheel chairs are also allowed on the MUP. My "bicycle" is not a "vehicle." Oh, and they also allow battery operated fans on the MUP.

https://wabikes.org/growing-bicycling...-on-sidewalks/

" electric-assisted bicycles and motorized foot scooters may be operated on a multipurpose trail or bicycle lane..."

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Originally Posted by Doc_Wui View Post
I'll have to ask a forest preserve cop who plays golf with me, what he would do about me riding my ebikes on the miles of trails crossing his jurisdiction, just to see how they read the law.

In my state (Illinois), e-bikes under 750W and which cannot go more than 20 mph under electric power alone are excluded from the definition of motor vehicles.
I know there are trails that specifically do not allow ebikes. Most of those trails are for hikers and mountain bikes. I have been reading about trails that are allowing ebikes that meet the same criteria as bicycles that don't need to be licensed (less than 20 mph, or 28mph in pedal assist only mode, less than x amount of watts, etc.)

My ebike is classified as a bicycle based on certain criteria.
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Originally Posted by InTheRain View Post
Well, you just have to read the laws in your own jurisdiction. Motorized wheel chairs are also allowed on the MUP. My "bicycle" is not a "vehicle." Oh, and they also allow battery operated fans on the MUP.

Illegal to use Electric Bikes on Sidewalks - Washington BikesWashington Bikes

" electric-assisted bicycles and motorized foot scooters may be operated on a multipurpose trail or bicycle lane..."
In Texas, bicycles are vehicles.

So what stops people from putting 100hp electric motors on bicycles and screaming down the MUP at 120mph?
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So what stops people from putting 100hp electric motors on bicycles and screaming down the MUP at 120mph?

Umm... the law? In California, it's Class 1 and 2 bikes, pedal assisted to 20mph. Anything faster isn't permitted on the trails.

Well, that and physics. The fastest E-bike I've ever seen manages about 60mph.
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Umm... the law? In California, it's Class 1 and 2 bikes, pedal assisted to 20mph. Anything faster isn't permitted on the trails.

Well, that and physics. The fastest E-bike I've ever seen manages about 60mph.
InThERain was quoting Washington law. It doesn't say anything about "class".
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The funny thing is that the OP thinks the roadie didn't know it was an E Bike.
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