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Old 02-11-18, 06:56 AM
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Change UK law to allow 30mph ebikes

Having owned & used a 250w ebike for 5 years I have spent a lot of time thinking about my safety when cycling. If the government could be persuaded to raise the speed limit this would increase the safety and could
Halve rush hour traffic congestion
Halve the air pollution from peak time traffic congestion
Improve the health of seven million people
Sustainable reduction in road traffic accidents.
No initial or ongoing Government funding required.

see my webpage for full details & reference studies.
www.boughtonmorris.uwclub.net/ebike30mph
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Old 02-11-18, 08:52 PM
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There are all manner of reasons they won't do this. For a start, many pedestrian areas now have cycle access, and if a 40kg bike travelling at 30mph hits a child, that child is likely to suffer fatal injuries.

I myself ride a 40kg e-bike on pedestrian routes, and even at 16mph it takes some responsibility.

So you can say ah, but how about allowing it only on the queen's highway? Well you still have no identification or insurance. And we don't want the latter being opened up.

It's perfectly legal for you to ride at 30mph on your e-bike (only the motor assistance is prohibited beyond 16mph). You just have to do what riders of conventional bicycles do - and pedal harder.
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Old 02-14-18, 11:33 AM
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The higher speed becomes a major issue on mulituse trails with pedestrians and Ebikes.... I doubt you will have much luck trying to change the laws....

Enjoy the ride anyway..
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Old 02-20-18, 01:00 PM
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Can't you ride a S-pedelec at 28mph? That would solve your problem.
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Reducing speed limits by 10MPH, with a 20MPH minimum, in cities and built up areas would have far greater impact. There would be immediate improvements to air quality and road safety. Congestion would likely improve and the increased travel times should help persuade people to use public transport, bikes or other modes of personal transport rather than lugging 1500Kg of metal around to move 80Kg of meat.
I made this observation today. Day two of my "get out of the car and onto a bike" midlife crisis.
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Old 02-21-18, 11:54 AM
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If you reduce the speed of the traffic on the road, you'll have more traffic on the road. Because all the vehicles are having to spend more time on the road to complete the same journey. That's the fundamental concept of congestion - not more vehicles on the road, just the same vehicles occupying the road for longer.

If you want to reduce congestion, increase flow to allow the vehicles to get to their destination quicker - namely, remove excessive traffic management (traffic lights, complicated junctions, speed ramps and other traffic slowing measures, restrictions and lengthened detours) and increase speed limits.

And this coming from a car-free cyclist. Much as i'd like every car to be limited to 20mph, slowing traffic isn't the answer. And public transport doesn't have the infrastructure to cope with a usage hike. And it will always take you more miles than you need to go, so it will never be efficient.
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Old 02-21-18, 01:02 PM
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Speed has no effect on congestion; it's volume of cars in relation to space available.
Here in NYC; the limit for local streets is 25 mph. But at certain times; cars can only go 5:
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New York and Milton Keynes have a strong similarity - they both have a grid road system.

Milton Keynes has almost no congestion. Very little even in rush hour. So what's the difference here? Our grid is 60/70mph roads, free of cyclists, and pedestrians/cyclists have to use underpasses/bridges to cross the grid roads. It takes just a few minutes to drive five miles from any one point to another in the town. Because we don't slow our vehicles down.

It was designed from scratch in the 1960s to be this way, and it works. Ironically they used inspiration from American grid towns for the design.

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Originally Posted by MikeyMK View Post
New York and Milton Keynes have a strong similarity - they both have a grid road system.

Milton Keynes has almost no congestion. Very little even in rush hour. So what's the difference here? Our grid is 60/70mph roads, free of cyclists, and pedestrians/cyclists have to use underpasses/bridges to cross the grid roads. It takes just a few minutes to drive five miles from any one point to another in the town. Because we don't slow our vehicles down.

It was designed from scratch in the 1960s to be this way, and it works. Ironically they used inspiration from American grid towns for the design.

New York also has a population in the millions. I googled "milton keynes uk population":
"At the 2011 census, the population of the Milton Keynes urban area, including the adjacent Newport Pagnell and Woburn Sands, was 229,941."

The Op was complaining about the city's congestion. Population; 7 million.
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Population density

Population density

Milton Keynes:...2,584/km2
New York City: 10,890/km2 (28,210/sq mi)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Keynes_grid_road_system
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Keynes_redway_system

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissioners%27_Plan_of_1811
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So we have ten times the amount of space per person. A minor detail. Besides, Milton Keynes will have 7 million before long at this rate...
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