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Old 07-19-18, 03:58 PM
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Superpedestrian (rear) Copenhagen Wheel Review

I am not going to repeat the basic specs., which you can learn about here: https://www.superpedestrian.com/en
A couple of short hilly rides + one 35 miler with hills w/ 3 hours total elapsed time. On the long ride, I returned with 12% of battery charge capacity remaining on ECO. I was mashing, and there was a headwind and hills. I’d say the majority of the riding time was spent at or above 15 mph, with lots of 18mph cruising (according to their app record). On that bike, with 26 x 2.0 tires, I'd expect to be riding in the 12-14 mph zone without the assist, slower if there was a headwind.

I’m about 6 ft, 190 lbs, riding a heavy hybrid with panniers. I ordered a 26” rim, with 7 speed cog, MTB tire.

Pros: Easy install, like 15 minutes. Connectivity to smartphone has been excellent, but if your phone is Android you need v. 4.3 or above. Riding is the most natural thing I can imagine, with bionic legs … as their marketing suggests. Headwinds, long grades, maintaining 18 mph…forgetaboutit. Quiet, very natural feel, plenty of acceleration boost when you mash down. Doesn’t much change the handling characteristics of the bike, at least this hybrid. Battery regenerates (slightly) if you back pedal on decents. No throttle, cables, battery or other crap..as you’d expect with the Copenhagen Wheel design.

Cons: Expensive ($1500). 2 weeks for delivery. Battery takes 3+ hours to charge, charger is a big brick. Cheap rim strip under the tube. What you don’t realize until your see the installation it is a flat tire while riding will be a real bummer, you’ll need a 15mm wrench and screwdriver to get the rear wheel off. Lots of weight on that rear wheel, the tire need to handle it – though the Kenda tire supplied seems adequate. It tops out at 20 mph, which will be disappointing to someone wanting a true e-bike – and no throttle of course. Your rig will be heavy.

Overall Impression: For a simple e-assist, I can’t imagine how you could design anything better. Huge fun. I bought this for my wife, but it might see a few afternoons on the rear of my hardtail on the mountain, any trail would be possible ***. Yeah, it could be 10 pounds lighter and $1000 cheaper, but I’m not willing to wait 5 years to see if that future becomes true.

ON YOUR LEFT !


*** But see my mountain test below.

I have no association whatsoever these these companies or their products.

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Old 07-19-18, 05:50 PM
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Another positive review of the SP; haven't heard any bad things yet.
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Old 07-19-18, 08:09 PM
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I think some where in the SP app. you can unlock the 20 mph limit and it will go up to 25 or 28 mph. You have to swear on your first born you take responsibility. What speed were you riding into headwinds and up grades?
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Old 07-19-18, 08:53 PM
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Thanks, but not interested. I doubt my wife is going to want to hammer it above 20mph.

You know, not sure what my average speed was uphill when I was really uping the cadence. Maybe 16-17mph, on ECO? I was being gentle, it was the test drive and I didn't want to break it.
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I talked to a couple who were riding them they other day and they too gave it raves. I don't need e-assist yet but have been eyeing them for the future (I'm 70). This could be a good intro on a spare bike. Do you order them with the cassette installed or do you have to order a cassette separately and install yourself?
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Besides road bikes I have a Catrike trike. Compared to road bikes it is slow (at least twice the weight and significantly more tire resistance) and I have difficulty getting my heart rate up. I thinking of getting a CW for the trike. I average 13-13.5 mph on the trike. If I could average 17 with the CW on Eco pedaling hard it would be worth it. I don't need an easier workout. I want a tailwind effect and spin a higher gear at a faster cadence=speed and elevated heart rate. Currently with a strong tail wind I can increase my heart rate by 10 bpm and ride at 80% of max instead of 65-70%.
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Old 07-20-18, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by donheff View Post
I talked to a couple who were riding them they other day and they too gave it raves. I don't need e-assist yet but have been eyeing them for the future (I'm 70). This could be a good intro on a spare bike. Do you order them with the cassette installed or do you have to order a cassette separately and install yourself?
That was pretty slick; on the order page you choose wheels size, tire, and cassette...going up to 10 I believe. Like I said, 15 min. install out of the box, however - I would recommend unmounting the tire and throwing away the rim tape they use, go with something higher quality. Also, they use avg quality Kenda tube, for this application I'd use a thorn resistant tube and maybe a liner...you don't want to be fixing a flat on the road with this rig.
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Maybe Schwalbe Marathon + tires too.
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has anyone tried one of these in the UK, where the speed limit is lower? Is it any good?? I'd love to keep my existing bike but have help up the hills...
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+++++ FAIL +++++ MOUNTAIN TEST


I decided to test its limits, took my wife's heavy hybrid with the WHEEL installed up Mt. Diablo - figure an hour of 6-8% curving grade. I was a happy 10-12 mpg for about 20 minutes, then it just shut itself down. Overheating I guess. I came down,. let it cool, seems to be working fine.

i would say that it's hardly ideal for MTB fire roads, etc. A couple short hills and it'll do it fine but a prolonged pull on a mountain...no. Definitely more of an urban commuter.
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Not surprising with the battery and controller encased in the wheel and, AFAIK, no vents to air cool them. Good to know; thanks for the test results. BTW, my front hub system shut down a couple of times last year while I was ascending pretty steep hills off road, and the battery and controller are "out in the air stream".
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Too bad about the fail on Mt Diablo, but admittedly a tough test. I've seen a few unhappy reviews, from people who already had ebikes and higher expectations. Must be like ice cream for the first time. It's great and then you discover there's other flavors beside vanilla.
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SP will have a price increase to $1750 on August 8th.
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Thanks for posting a real review. The wheel looks cool and I love the fact it can be retrofitted. I tried an expensive electric bike and it didn't feel natural to me, more like I was on an electric motorbike. Very positive that the Copenhagen wheel has integrated pedalling more naturally.
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++++ UPDATE ++++

So it's been about 3 months, riding the wheel each weekend. It has exceeded our expectations. Even on tough hills my spouse is riding right along side me while I'm cranking away in my lowest gear. No drop-out of the phone connect, no surprises, the thing just works flawlessly. We;re not sure, but it seems like the battery life has increased a bit too, like it has gotten more efficient between the riders pedal stroke and power supplied. My wife has become more 'protective' of the wheel, it's definitely hers now.

Unfortunately, the price has gone up and the shipping wait time seems to have increased. I've bought a second one for a distant family member. I can see asking my kids to buy one for me 10 years from now....
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I have no experience of that wheel, but as a user of a big heavy hub, I have had a couple of pinch flats despite 2.35 tyres (one a sharp-edged kerb and another a brick hidden in the grass). But i've been able to patch the tube, so haven't had to remove the wheel (21mm nuts and two torque arms on this!).
Sounds like a fat tyre and big-patch repair kit should be considered for it, and the weight should be less of a concern then.
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