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restlessswind 07-12-19 01:36 PM

Anyone have the 2020 Specialized Turbo Vado 3.0?
 
It's only $2700.
Specs are lacking on Specialized website. I test rode it, and really liked it. Seems to handle hills, but what's the realistic range?

maria.owenby 07-15-19 03:49 AM

I want to learn too. I test ride it. It is a smooth ebike not that powerful but really very smooth motor.

restlessswind 07-19-19 09:57 AM

I ordered one yesterday. Should have it by the end of the month. It is class 3 after the firmware update. LBS said it's a non issue.

restlessswind 09-10-19 02:39 PM

I've now got 600 miles on it. It's great! It's easy to maintain 23-25 mph in high setting. Gets me home on 100+ days without being totally exhausted. (17.5 mi each way commute)
The battery gets about 25 mi on high, 35mi on medium. (I'm assuming about 50 on low, but I haven't had a reason to use that setting)
I never ran the battery lower than 20%. I charge at work.

I get my estimates using miles ridden vs percentage left on battery. On high setting, I have about 30% charge left after a 17.5 mi ride. On Medium setting, I have about 50% charge remaining on 17.5 mi ride.

The only thing I needed to replace was the saddle. I have a Brooks Flyer that is my go to saddle. Some more handlebar sweep-back would be nice, but not necessary.

trailangel 09-10-19 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by restlessswind (Post 21116749)
I've now got 600 miles on it. It's great! It's easy to maintain 23-25 mph in high setting. Gets me home on 100+ days without being totally exhausted. (17.5 mi each way commute)
The battery gets about 25 mi on high, 35mi on medium. (I'm assuming about 50 on low, but I haven't had a reason to use that setting)
I never ran the battery lower than 20%. I charge at work.

I get my estimates using miles ridden vs percentage left on battery. On high setting, I have about 30% charge left after a 17.5 mi ride. On Medium setting, I have about 50% charge remaining on 17.5 mi ride.

The only thing I needed to replace was the saddle. I have a Brooks Flyer that is my go to saddle. Some more handlebar sweep-back would be nice, but not necessary.

Good deal. I bet the sprung saddle smoothes out the aluminum frame and weight.

2old 09-10-19 05:35 PM

RW, thanks for the feedback; please keep posting about your findings.

restlessswind 09-11-19 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by trailangel (Post 21116947)
Good deal. I bet the sprung saddle smoothes out the aluminum frame and weight.

Totally. I am ok with the stock seatpost with the sprung saddle. I use the stock saddle on a suspension post on my other bike, and it is hard on the sit bones, but still better than many other saddles out there.

restlessswind 09-18-19 03:05 PM

I ran over what must have been a bottle neck in the bike lane. Slit the tire open. So, I couldn't find a replacemnt Trigger Sport Reflective locally in stock, so I bought a pair of Bontrager H5 lite 45C. These were similar to the ones on my Verve+ and ride very smooth. But I get about 10% less range than with the Triggers. Really???

DougG 10-06-19 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by restlessswind (Post 21116749)
I've now got 600 miles on it. It's great! It's easy to maintain 23-25 mph in high setting. Gets me home on 100+ days without being totally exhausted. (17.5 mi each way commute)
The battery gets about 25 mi on high, 35mi on medium. (I'm assuming about 50 on low, but I haven't had a reason to use that setting)
I never ran the battery lower than 20%. I charge at work.

I get my estimates using miles ridden vs percentage left on battery. On high setting, I have about 30% charge left after a 17.5 mi ride. On Medium setting, I have about 50% charge remaining on 17.5 mi ride.

The only thing I needed to replace was the saddle. I have a Brooks Flyer that is my go to saddle. Some more handlebar sweep-back would be nice, but not necessary.

I'm looking at a Vado 4.0 for next year, but now I'm concerned about your range report. I don't commute, but would want to ride it on routes that can easily be 40+ miles. I'm guessing that the issue, though, is that you're riding it at 23-25 mph at a higher boost level, and I doubt I'd crank it up that high most of the time, especially since I'd be on MUPs and rail-trails.

I had the use of an older Vado (2.0?) for a couple days. It was limited to 20mph and after my two days on it and probably 50+ miles of riding, mostly in the lowest boost setting, there was a considerable amount of battery left. Like any electric vehicle, lots of things that affect the range. So maybe it wouldn't be an issue for me, but "range anxiety" is definitely a factor I wouldn't look forward to! ;)

edwong3 10-06-19 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by DougG (Post 21152595)
I'm looking at a Vado 4.0 for next year, but now I'm concerned about your range report. I don't commute, but would want to ride it on routes that can easily be 40+ miles.

Any possibility that you could rent or borrow one to ride on that route first? See how that range holds out:speedy:

restlessswind 10-07-19 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by DougG (Post 21152595)
I'm looking at a Vado 4.0 for next year, but now I'm concerned about your range report. I don't commute, but would want to ride it on routes that can easily be 40+ miles. I'm guessing that the issue, though, is that you're riding it at 23-25 mph at a higher boost level, and I doubt I'd crank it up that high most of the time, especially since I'd be on MUPs and rail-trails.

I had the use of an older Vado (2.0?) for a couple days. It was limited to 20mph and after my two days on it and probably 50+ miles of riding, mostly in the lowest boost setting, there was a considerable amount of battery left. Like any electric vehicle, lots of things that affect the range. So maybe it wouldn't be an issue for me, but "range anxiety" is definitely a factor I wouldn't look forward to! ;)

There are some app features that may assist in your anxiety. Mission control app will let you to use "Smart Control", and govern battery drain. I've never tried it. It also allows you to adjust the "support" and "peak power" for each of the 3 settings. When I ride recreational with my wife, I ride in the lowest setting, and average 14-16 mph. Last night, I ride mostly in low and rode 14 miles. I used 25% battery. So, 60 miles is a liberal estimate. You could carry a 2nd battery. (about $600 + whatever the trim cover costs)---or not :)

I learned that Trek will offer auxiliary batteries to be mounted to the bottle cage braze-ons on their new 2020 models.

DougG 10-07-19 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by restlessswind (Post 21154148)
I learned that Trek will offer auxiliary batteries to be mounted to the bottle cage braze-ons on their new 2020 models.

Yes, I saw that. That Allant model looks really interesting, but is even more commuter-oriented than the Vado. For one thing, I wouldn't really want to be using my smartphone mounted on my bike as the controller. Also, the Vado has the same geometry as my Crosstrail hybrid and has the suspension forks that are useful for the way I'd be using it.

Right now, the Vado is the only e-bike I've seen that fits my picture of what I'm looking for in an e-bike that is sold and supported by a reputable manufacturer that has an actual dealer network for service issues.

restlessswind 10-08-19 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by DougG (Post 21154373)
Yes, I saw that. That Allant model looks really interesting, but is even more commuter-oriented than the Vado. For one thing, I wouldn't really want to be using my smartphone mounted on my bike as the controller. Also, the Vado has the same geometry as my Crosstrail hybrid and has the suspension forks that are useful for the way I'd be using it.

Right now, the Vado is the only e-bike I've seen that fits my picture of what I'm looking for in an e-bike that is sold and supported by a reputable manufacturer that has an actual dealer network for service issues.

The phone isn't required to be mounted and monitored while riding. It's a setup only.

DougG 10-09-19 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by restlessswind (Post 21155723)
The phone isn't required to be mounted and monitored while riding. It's a setup only.

By the way, I downloaded the Vado user's manual to check out some details. Is is true that the headlight on your bike cannot be turned off? I'm not really a fan of that, as in the daytime on a trail or MUP, I actually find headlights on oncoming bikes to be a bit annoying, especially when some of them are really bright.

My wife's Trek e-bike came with an always-on headlight, but there was a dealer-accessible setting to allow it to be turned off and on from the controller. She never rides on streets or at night so just leaves it off.

restlessswind 10-09-19 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by DougG (Post 21156234)
By the way, I downloaded the Vado user's manual to check out some details. Is is true that the headlight on your bike cannot be turned off? I'm not really a fan of that, as in the daytime on a trail or MUP, I actually find headlights on oncoming bikes to be a bit annoying, especially when some of them are really bright.

My wife's Trek e-bike came with an always-on headlight, but there was a dealer-accessible setting to allow it to be turned off and on from the controller. She never rides on streets or at night so just leaves it off.

No, not true. My head and taillight can be turned off by pushing the light button. It does turn on each time the bike is turned on, but then you can turn off the lights.

You ought to go see one in person and not use the internet as your deciding factors.

restlessswind 10-09-19 02:39 PM

I hit the 1000 mile point.
The 9th cog (highest) is skipping under load starting this morning. I need to see if it's covered under warranty or considered worn out. Chain is still solid and I haven't even needed to lube it yet. the factory grease is still working.

trailangel 10-10-19 06:07 AM

Chain is worn out. Replace chain:
https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...98&category=59

restlessswind 10-10-19 09:01 AM

Not chain...see cog
 
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c41a6ca422.jpg
The cog lost a baby tooth!
I try to shift not under load, but it's not always an option :(

trailangel 10-10-19 09:19 AM

You still need a new chain.

restlessswind 10-13-19 10:03 AM

Put on a Deore cog nib I had in the garage. Shifts are much smoother

Rick53 10-13-19 02:33 PM

So how does the Speed Work ? I see on Trek Site it appears to be 20 and 28 : Obviously you still have to pedal : Does it mean on a flat surface if you are limited to 20mph assist : Were you to get going that fast it would stop assisting you past 20 mPH? I don't quite understand How these work : I've ridden pure Roadies and went faster the 20 MPH . But on a Verve No matter how fast I get going I've never gotten to 20MPH on a flat surface. Of course My riding Surface is Graveled Not smooth Black Top : So if I had a Verve E Bike that was capable of 28 MPH assist : Could I get going that fast ? Or are E bikes just for making it easier ?

edwong3 10-13-19 11:47 PM


Originally Posted by Rick53 (Post 21162142)
So how does the Speed Work ? I see on Trek Site it appears to be 20 and 28 : Obviously you still have to pedal : Does it mean on a flat surface if you are limited to 20mph assist : Were you to get going that fast it would stop assisting you past 20 mPH? I don't quite understand How these work : I've ridden pure Roadies and went faster the 20 MPH . But on a Verve No matter how fast I get going I've never gotten to 20MPH on a flat surface. Of course My riding Surface is Graveled Not smooth Black Top : So if I had a Verve E Bike that was capable of 28 MPH assist : Could I get going that fast ? Or are E bikes just for making it easier ?

A pedal assisted e-bike will make you into an athletic rider instantly. The motor adds to your own power and will make the pedaling so much easier and you'll be able to maintain those speeds for extended periods of time. Imagine as if though you had a really strong tailwind at your back or as if though you were pedaling downhill all the time.

Now an e-bike that will assist you to only 20 mph, is called a "Class 1" and if it assists you to 28 mph, then it is a "Class 3". In most jurisdictions here in the USA, you can ride a Class 1 on all of the bicycling infrastructure such as bike lanes, bike paths and in many cases, sidewalks. Class 3 however may be restricted to riding only on public streets and roads for the obvious reason of their higher operating speeds.

On a Class 3, some local ordinances make exceptions to allow you to ride on MUPs as long as you have the electrical assistance turned off and operate it like a regular bike. But check with the local authorities on this. E-bike laws in the US are weird. In your case, since your intention seems to be to ride with roadies, on roads of course, maybe none of the regulatory stuff regarding Class 1 vs Class 3 really affects you at all.

In theory, if you are a really strong rider, you can continue to pedal past the assistance threshold and go faster but that is challenging for most people. With a Class 3, I don't think you would want to go any faster anyway.

Rick53 10-14-19 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by edwong3 (Post 21162728)
A pedal assisted e-bike will make you into an athletic rider instantly. The motor adds to your own power and will make the pedaling so much easier and you'll be able to maintain those speeds for extended periods of time. Imagine as if though you had a really strong tailwind at your back or as if though you were pedaling downhill all the time.

Now an e-bike that will assist you to only 20 mph, is called a "Class 1" and if it assists you to 28 mph, then it is a "Class 3". In most jurisdictions here in the USA, you can ride a Class 1 on all of the bicycling infrastructure such as bike lanes, bike paths and in many cases, sidewalks. Class 3 however may be restricted to riding only on public streets and roads for the obvious reason of their higher operating speeds.

On a Class 3, some local ordinances make exceptions to allow you to ride on MUPs as long as you have the electrical assistance turned off and operate it like a regular bike. But check with the local authorities on this. E-bike laws in the US are weird. In your case, since your intention seems to be to ride with roadies, on roads of course, maybe none of the regulatory stuff regarding Class 1 vs Class 3 really affects you at all.

In theory, if you are a really strong rider, you can continue to pedal past the assistance threshold and go faster but that is challenging for most people. With a Class 3, I don't think you would want to go any faster anyway.

Hey Thanks : I'm actually waiting for Treks Dual Sport style in Electric to come back out : My sources Tell me that's sometime Prior to Spring . So if I purchased a Class 3 is there a Registration Requirement ? I'm wondering how they would Moderate it. I live in West Michigan AREA . So we have a variety of Trails VIA torn up Railroad Track. You can Travel easily 100 Miles North and 50 Miles South . Without ever getting off a Trail more then a city block. What I need to do is find a Store Either in Michigan or a Nearby State that is a Full Stocking Dealer : Hard to find in Winter Wonderland Areas : Thanks for the reply

edwong3 10-14-19 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Rick53 (Post 21162998)
Hey Thanks : I'm actually waiting for Treks Dual Sport style in Electric to come back out : My sources Tell me that's sometime Prior to Spring . So if I purchased a Class 3 is there a Registration Requirement ? I'm wondering how they would Moderate it. I live in West Michigan AREA . So we have a variety of Trails VIA torn up Railroad Track. You can Travel easily 100 Miles North and 50 Miles South . Without ever getting off a Trail more then a city block. What I need to do is find a Store Either in Michigan or a Nearby State that is a Full Stocking Dealer : Hard to find in Winter Wonderland Areas : Thanks for the reply

I'm glad to have been of help to you, though I admit that I am not the most informed on the subject matter. That's why I said check with your local authorities to learn what the rules are about e-bike use in your jurisdiction.

To the best of my knowledge, in most parts of the US, an electric bicycle doesn't need to be registered as a "motor vehicle" as long as it fits within certain guidelines which most models on the market do, generally 20 or 28 mph max, 750 watts max and pedals. If you buy something that has a 3,000 watt motor, goes over 30 mph and has no working pedals, or even if it does, then you can pretty much assume that the authorities may not view that as a "bicycle" and could require some type of registration if the vehicle comes equipped to meet certain standards and if intended for use on public streets and roads, not just off-road or private property. But of course that last example is not what you are looking into anyway so disregard that.😁

Hopefully Trek will soon offer that model (Dual Sport) that you are waiting for and when you get it have a blast. Be sure to keep the forum group updated. Ride safe.👍

Rick53 10-14-19 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by edwong3 (Post 21163064)
I'm glad to have been of help to you, though I admit that I am not the most informed on the subject matter. That's why I said check with your local authorities to learn what the rules are about e-bike use in your jurisdiction.

To the best of my knowledge, in most parts of the US, an electric bicycle doesn't need to be registered as a "motor vehicle" as long as it fits within certain guidelines which most models on the market do, generally 20 or 28 mph max, 750 watts max and pedals. If you buy something that has a 3,000 watt motor, goes over 30 mph and has no working pedals, or even if it does, then you can pretty much assume that the authorities may not view that as a "bicycle" and could require some type of registration if the vehicle comes equipped to meet certain standards and if intended for use on public streets and roads, not just off-road or private property. But of course that last example is not what you are looking into anyway so disregard that.😁

Hopefully Trek will soon offer that model (Dual Sport) that you are waiting for and when you get it have a blast. Be sure to keep the forum group updated. Ride safe.👍

I would imagine Trek will offer it again Soon. The Marketing Person for Trek Mentioned 2020 DSE's in Their latest Video Introducing The New Alliant Series : Plus there are 2020 Models of the Dual Sport Electric Online . Of course not in the USA. One was Denmark and the Other Australia > I assume like it was with 2020 Models in Other Bikes : They are made available in America last


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