I've started ordering components for e-bike #2. This e-bike will include all my current enhancements and will be the model for the prototype battery carrier. The rate at which I will be able to install all the modifications will be much, much faster since I made all the errors and fixes on my first e-bike.
If you've been following the news, relationships with the Middle East have gone from bad to worse. The IMF had predicted a doubling in oil prices within ten years (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZmJK...ure=plpp_video) but with the Fed's new buyout the doubling in oil prices could happen much sooner per this article: http://peakoil.com/business/bofa-see...and-190-crude/ The majority of the oil geologist believe we will realize the downward movement in the oil production bell-shaped curve in 2014-2015. We have been in the "easy oil" production decline since 2005-2006 and instead on a plateau with the unconventional oil (tar sands, shale oil, etc.) filling in the discrepancy. All the major oil fields around the world are in decline. The majority of them started production in the 1950s and 1960s. What does this all mean? Our current vehicles will need to have mpg's in President Obama's 2025 efficiency standard in the next two years. This is impossible. If you've been thinking about getting an e-bike or purchasing the Papamotor kit as many on this thread have done. You're running out of time. |
Yes I have a plan to get the bike up and running. But I am on the fence about hub or mid drive motor. I like the power and speed of the mid drive. And to cut down the battery needed the smaller mid drive motor has the power of the Hub due to gears used, along with a higher top speed. If I go with a 1000w hub I would need a 48v 30ah batter to get about 40 miles range and top speed of 30mph. But If I go with the 450W mid drive motor. I could get 84 miles with a top seed of 37mph with a range of 60 miles with a 48v 20ah battery setup.
any ways it getting to be winter here so I'm going to think about this more and get the parts. Then take the winter to build it up. I am looking at this motor kit and this battery. http://www.gngebike.com/450wbrushless.htm http://www.joyfay.com/us/48v-20ah-li...e-scooter.html |
Originally Posted by CigTech
(Post 14734482)
Yes I have a plan to get the bike up and running. But I am on the fence about hub or mid drive motor. I like the power and speed of the mid drive. And to cut down the battery needed the smaller mid drive motor has the power of the Hub due to gears used, along with a higher top speed. If I go with a 1000w hub I would need a 48v 30ah batter to get about 40 miles range and top speed of 30mph. But If I go with the 450W mid drive motor. I could get 84 miles with a top seed of 37mph with a range of 60 miles with a 48v 20ah battery setup.
any ways it getting to be winter here so I'm going to think about this more and get the parts. Then take the winter to build it up. I am looking at this motor kit and this battery. http://www.gngebike.com/450wbrushless.htm http://www.joyfay.com/us/48v-20ah-li...e-scooter.html |
I have a Schwinn Empier XL road bike with 700C wheels. But I'm thinking about getting a MTB for the build.That range of 60 miles is taking in the wind and small hills I have on the commute. At 60 miles thats about 80% of the on wind and no hill range.
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Originally Posted by CigTech
(Post 14735158)
I have a Schwinn Empier XL road bike with 700C wheels. But I'm thinking about getting a MTB for the build.That range of 60 miles is taking in the wind and small hills I have on the commute. At 60 miles thats about 80% of the on wind and no hill range.
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They keep the main roads clear but the back roads not so much. By main roads I am talking highways. You have to remember that about 55% of my commute is on county back roads. But as we know batteries don't like the cold.
So I'm thinking of a way to keep the batteries warm if the temp drops below 60 deg. I went to DeVry. Any ways that’s what I'm looking at right now. If I can keep the battery box at or above 70 deg then it should keep the range up to summer commuting. If you want to talk about my Heater Ideal send me a PM. I know your thinking of a e-bike shop. You am want the idea, l if it works. So I have to find the bike to convert and then get the kit and batteries. Then build a box to hold the controller and batteries and heater thing. Then rebuild the wheels. Wire the bike, and make it all work. No Problem, I'll get right now that. I think you’re rubbing off on me LOL |
Originally Posted by CigTech
(Post 14735924)
They keep the main roads clear but the back roads not so much. By main roads I am talking highways. You have to remember that about 55% of my commute is on county back roads. But as we know batteries don't like the cold.
Originally Posted by CigTech
(Post 14735924)
So I have to find the bike to convert and then get the kit and batteries. Then build a box to hold the controller and batteries and heater thing. Then rebuild the wheels. Wire the bike, and make it all work. No Problem, I'll get right now that. I think you’re rubbing off on me LOL
Originally Posted by CigTech
(Post 14735924)
I could get 84 miles with a top seed of 37mph with a range of 60 miles with a 48v 20ah battery setup.
If you worked the morning shift you'd stand a better chance of the sun melting any ice on the roads. If you rode at night you could hit ice formed from the freezing of the day's snow melt. |
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I have been emailing them for a week or so. I told them my gear set up and they said that it would do these speeds.
18mph in 1st, 21mph in 2nd, 24mph in 3rd, 26mph in 4th, 29mph in 5th, 33mph in 6th, 37mph in 7th. Thats on the Schwinn with a 7 speed M Cassette. Now if thats is true then i like it. They also said I can return it if it does not come close to these speed. As for the Battery box and bike setup I'm thinking something like this http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=273119 I work the night shift and thats why I'm thinking I can only ride on good days in the winter. But we'll see. Last winter we had only a few days that it snowed. |
hi all,
some good news from me.. I should be able to buy the papamotor kit at the end of this month.. how exciting.. heres my list of things to buy papamotor 1000 watt 48 V Platinum package. bike rack ( still not sure which one to get) - but it has to be able to befitted with p clamps, the Jannd expediion is good but expensive.. rear torque clamp from ebike.ca shimano 6 speed freewheel from ebike.ca rear cargo box schwalbe big apple tyres x 2 and I think thats it for the moment.. really forward to this.. |
Originally Posted by CigTech
(Post 14736322)
I have been emailing them for a week or so. I told them my gear set up and they said that it would do these speeds.
18mph in 1st, 21mph in 2nd, 24mph in 3rd, 26mph in 4th, 29mph in 5th, 33mph in 6th, 37mph in 7th. Thats on the Schwinn with a 7 speed M Cassette. Now if thats is true then i like it. They also said I can return it if it does not come close to these speed.
Originally Posted by CigTech
(Post 14736322)
As for the Battery box and bike setup I'm thinking something like this
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=273119 I work the night shift and thats why I'm thinking I can only ride on good days in the winter. But we'll see. Last winter we had only a few days that it snowed. |
Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14736365)
hi all,
some good news from me.. I should be able to buy the papamotor kit at the end of this month.. how exciting.. heres my list of things to buy papamotor 1000 watt 48 V Platinum package. bike rack ( still not sure which one to get) - but it has to be able to befitted with p clamps, the Jannd expediion is good but expensive.. rear torque clamp from ebike.ca shimano 6 speed freewheel from ebike.ca rear cargo box schwalbe big apple tyres x 2 and I think thats it for the moment.. really forward to this.. You can't fit 2.5" tires in your bike frame? |
hi ,
@ ebikeFL You can't fit 2.5" tires in your bike frame? can you recommend me a good rear rack, that can be fitted with clamps and is available in england? I found this cargo box, probably not as good as your cargo box, heres the specs..
http://www.parkersofbolton.co.uk/p-9...r-top-box.aspx will papamotor provide the tools to fit or remove the freewheel and the cranks? and yes it is finally good that I join you guys properly as a true ebiker.. can you tell me exactly what papamotor provides in terms of the rear disc brake system? I mean disc? brakes pads? etc? how long do you think will it take to arrive, I will order it on the 28th Sepember. thats just leave for me to say.. yippee |
hi again, one more question, so at the moment my chain fits around a 10 speed freewheel..
will this be compatible on the 6 speed free wheel ? thanks again |
Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14736586)
I think I can, but I meant x 2 as in 2 tyres, does it make a big difference with having really wide tyres, I would prefer to get 2.0 because so is this more aerodynamic?
If you want I can install the Papamotor hub motor onto a Sun Ringle MTX-39 rim for you and you'll need the same front wheel setup with MTX-39 rim as I have. It would be between $300 and $400 for everything including shipping back to you, the prices are estimates. Once you have this setup, you'll never have to worry about the rims and tires again. Just check the spoke tension once a month. If you don't want to go this route than go with the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme tires with Mr. Tuffy liners and thorn resistant inner tubes.
Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14736586)
can you recommend me a good rear rack, that can be fitted with clamps and is available in england?
I found this cargo box, probably not as good as your cargo box, heres the specs..
http://www.parkersofbolton.co.uk/p-9...r-top-box.aspx
Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14736586)
will papamotor provide the tools to fit or remove the freewheel and the cranks?
Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14736586)
can you tell me exactly what papamotor provides in terms of the rear disc brake system? I mean disc? brakes pads? etc?
Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14736586)
how long do you think will it take to arrive, I will order it on the 28th Sepember.
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Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14736610)
hi again, one more question, so at the moment my chain fits around a 10 speed freewheel..
will this be compatible on the 6 speed free wheel ? thanks again |
thanks ebikefl for the quick response,
but the cargo cache that you have got is only available by shipping from the states, is the size of the one I gave a link to definitely too small to house the battery and controller.. the price of this one is good only £25 around 40 dollars max.. I will get the better rims in the future, but I think it will be more cost effective for me to learn how this is done.. but thank you for the offer. just to confirm with you, I should be able to use my stock hydraulic brake system in the rear? is that correct? :thumb: |
Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14736981)
but the cargo cache that you have got is only available by shipping from the states,
Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14736981)
is the size of the one I gave a link to definitely too small to house the battery and controller.. the price of this one is good only £25 around 40 dollars max..
Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14736981)
just to confirm with you, I should be able to use my stock hydraulic brake system in the rear? is that correct?
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ebikeFL.
hi again, the ping battery dimensions are at 300x105x150 mm / 11.8x4.1x5.9 inches the box I linked to is at
is'nt this big enough in your opinion plus change? if you sent me the rear cargo cache with shipping here, how much would that cost please? and how would I pay you, paypal? excuse me for my stupidity but what is exactly is the 44 mm adaptor I mean which part is this please? thanks again |
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Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14737119)
hi again, the ping battery dimensions are at
300x105x150 mm / 11.8x4.1x5.9 inches the box I linked to is at
is'nt this big enough in your opinion plus change?
Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14737119)
if you sent me the rear cargo cache with shipping here, how much would that cost please?
Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14737119)
and how would I pay you, paypal?
Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14737119)
excuse me for my stupidity but what is exactly is the 44 mm adaptor I mean which part is this please?
You only need one adapter but order two just to cover you if one happens to break. They're only a few bucks each. |
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hi ebikefl,
ok I wanted to show you this picture of a top down inside view point of the cargo box I had linked to http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=273188 I am interested in his as it seems the outer plastic is quite thin so most of the dimensions looks like it may cover the inside space of the box.. and for the price its quite good..? I am on a tight budget as I still have to help someone financially, so thats why I was hesitant in getting the cargoe cache that you have, in the long term future I will probably buy a your cargo cache, but now I just want to get things running in time for winter, then later I can go about making improvements when I have more money :) and yes I will be buying the tyres that you recommend.. let me know your thoughts? thanks |
Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14737342)
hi ebikefl,
ok I wanted to show you this picture of a top down inside view point of the cargo box I had linked to http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=273188 I am interested in his as it seems the outer plastic is quite thin so most of the dimensions looks like it may cover the inside space of the box.. and for the price its quite good..? I am on a tight budget as I still have to help someone financially, so thats why I was hesitant in getting the cargoe cache that you have, in the long term future I will probably buy a your cargo cache, but now I just want to get things running in time for winter, then later I can go about making improvements when I have more money :) and yes I will be buying the tyres that you recommend.. let me know your thoughts? thanks |
Spirit733t,
You may want to read the reviews on Amazon.com about the M-Wave top case: http://www.amazon.com/M-Wave-122461-.../dp/B003BOEJC2 The actual dimensions are smaller than advertised. It may still work for you though but it demonstrates my concerns that the actual dimensions are smaller. Here's what the reviewer said: 3.0 out of 5 stars Smaller than advertised August 3, 2011 By Henri Amazon Verified Purchase I just purchased this from Amazon, but I need to return it because it is too small for my intended use. The advertised product dimensions are 17 x 12 x 11, but the one I received measured 16 x 10 x 8.5. It was the difference in width that made it problematic. Otherwise, I like the design and it looks pretty nice. I wish I could have used it. |
thanks ebikeFL for your feedback..
I appreciate what you have said, but for the price Im gonna go for it, if it really crap then its no bother as it did nt cost too much, but if it works out then great heres another from same site 5.0 out of 5 stars Excellent Case To Hold Lithium Bike Battery and Controller January 25, 2012 By Jay Amazon Verified Purchase If you own an Electric Bike, this case is very durable. I use it for a 48 volt lithium battery (16 1/2 pounds). It contains two bungee nets, one with hooks that you use to attach to the other bungee net. I use it to hold the battery in place, which keeps it from moving around. It also has enough room to store your E-bike controller and is water proof. It comes with screws and two screw plates which attach to a rear bike rack. It's tough enough to handle bumpy pot holed streets without coming apart. I recommend this product. in fact I love steel framed chromo frame bikes now, they are not that heavy, but the ride handling is nice.. I dont know what is it, but the bike seems to be really smooth, and also i feels like when you peddle it has good efficiency and acceleration.. part of me will miss my normal bike when I change it to an e bike hehe.. so I would recommend looking at steel framed chromo tubing as a strong frame type for your business.. btw for the price you paid for your cargo cach, does it feel absolutely solid and what is the lock like.. I am expecting the lock on this cargo box to be pants.. but thats what you get for the price.. thanks again and c u later :thumb: |
oh yeah forgot ask you ebikefl..
what can go wrong if I dont change my chain, the current one runs a 10 speed freewheel cassete, cheers |
Originally Posted by spirit733t
(Post 14737850)
btw for the price you paid for your cargo cach, does it feel absolutely solid and what is the lock like.. I am expecting the lock on this cargo box to be pants.. but thats what you get for the price..
That Amazon review could be our very own kd5ete. ;) I think he uses the M-wave product or someone else who has posted pictures on this thread...I've seen that case before. |
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