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Hi Ebike,
need your advise and help on buying a new rim and spokes or the papamotor kit..
how difficult/ easy is it to do this?
your new rim for the rear wheel looks excellent, Id like something like yours?
I will be ordering the 36 V 500 watt motor kit at max speed to around 20 mph.. sadly I cant afford to buy the more powerful one..
p.s what do you think of the amped bike kit? looks interesting too, also I had a look at ebike.ca kit.. and the cost of delivery is ridiculous to england.. he wanted over $300 dollars for the delivery... I mean holy **** that is ridiculos?
anyway dude take care man..
need your advise and help on buying a new rim and spokes or the papamotor kit..
how difficult/ easy is it to do this?
your new rim for the rear wheel looks excellent, Id like something like yours?
I will be ordering the 36 V 500 watt motor kit at max speed to around 20 mph.. sadly I cant afford to buy the more powerful one..
p.s what do you think of the amped bike kit? looks interesting too, also I had a look at ebike.ca kit.. and the cost of delivery is ridiculous to england.. he wanted over $300 dollars for the delivery... I mean holy **** that is ridiculos?
anyway dude take care man..
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Lacing the rims isn't very difficult, I used a YouTube video for the front wheel for 3-cross lacing and for the rear I just took a picture of the lacing on the stock Papamotor setup and duplicated it on the new rim.
your new rim for the rear wheel looks excellent, Id like something like yours?
I will be ordering the 36 V 500 watt motor kit at max speed to around 20 mph.. sadly I cant afford to buy the more powerful one..
p.s what do you think of the amped bike kit? looks interesting too, also I had a look at ebike.ca kit.. and the cost of delivery is ridiculous to england.. he wanted over $300 dollars for the delivery... I mean holy **** that is ridiculos?
anyway dude take care man..
I will be ordering the 36 V 500 watt motor kit at max speed to around 20 mph.. sadly I cant afford to buy the more powerful one..
p.s what do you think of the amped bike kit? looks interesting too, also I had a look at ebike.ca kit.. and the cost of delivery is ridiculous to england.. he wanted over $300 dollars for the delivery... I mean holy **** that is ridiculos?
anyway dude take care man..
Haven't seen the amped kit. Yes, Ebike.ca has a new e-bike out but oddly they don't use their cycle analyst in the kit. The kit is a bit too expensive for being 36v, having wider rims and tires on the back for all the cargo the e-bike can haul would be better as well.
The modifications to the 1000w Papamotor hub motor are holding up very nicely. I haven't had any problems with the rear 203mm brake rotor since I made the changes. I'm in the process of installing the larger 48t outer chainring I purchased and also will be testing out new Schwalbe Fat Frank 2.35" wide tires with the kevlar lining. I love the Maxxis Hookworms but the streets I travel contain a lot of debris and have caused me to have three flat tires so far. I'm hoping the kevlar and Mr. Tuffy liner will decrease the rate of tire issues.
I calculated that I've saved over $400 in just gas so far. I'll begin work on my second Papamotor 48v 1000w e-bike in a few days and when the new battery carrier is built, I'll look forward to selling my car. I look forward to telling my car insurance company that I no longer need their services.
Keep us posted on your e-bike build.
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hi ebike,
thanks for your quick reply as always.. a great help..
so another question, do you think I need to order the disc brake option part of the kit, or can I get by on any normal 160 mm rotor that I can buy from England..
I think I may need to buy the 44 mm spacers as per your posts, can you let me know your thoughts on this please..
thanks.. and what happened to sixiam and the rest of the papamotor gang..
all the best
thanks for your quick reply as always.. a great help..
so another question, do you think I need to order the disc brake option part of the kit, or can I get by on any normal 160 mm rotor that I can buy from England..
I think I may need to buy the 44 mm spacers as per your posts, can you let me know your thoughts on this please..
thanks.. and what happened to sixiam and the rest of the papamotor gang..
all the best
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I don't know...if their e-bikes get the same attention my does; they're probably taking orders. I had someone follow me home at night a few weeks ago. It kinda freaked me out. They wanted to know about my e-bike when I stopped in front of my house. I didn't know if they lived in my neighborhood or not. Luckily, I had the GoPro recording and got good close-up video of their car and them.
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Hi ebike & spirit,
Nice to see the new update today:-)
Glad to know you both are good
Looking forward to see more updates frequently here!
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Nice to see the new update today:-)
Glad to know you both are good
Looking forward to see more updates frequently here!
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Question for those of you that installed the FWD version on a non-steel (say aluminum) front fork. How is that working out?
The papamotors website says that the front fork should be steel but my bike has an aluminum fork so I'm contemplating whether to get the FWD or RWD. I'd prefer a FWD so that it's easier to convert my bike back to "normal" whenever I need to.
The papamotors website says that the front fork should be steel but my bike has an aluminum fork so I'm contemplating whether to get the FWD or RWD. I'd prefer a FWD so that it's easier to convert my bike back to "normal" whenever I need to.
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Question for those of you that installed the FWD version on a non-steel (say aluminum) front fork. How is that working out?
The papamotors website says that the front fork should be steel but my bike has an aluminum fork so I'm contemplating whether to get the FWD or RWD. I'd prefer a FWD so that it's easier to convert my bike back to "normal" whenever I need to.
The papamotors website says that the front fork should be steel but my bike has an aluminum fork so I'm contemplating whether to get the FWD or RWD. I'd prefer a FWD so that it's easier to convert my bike back to "normal" whenever I need to.
The rear wheel setup especially with panniers makes your e-bike look like a regular bike due to the fact that the motor is hidden. You can't use disk brakes with the front wheel setup. You can use your stock disc brake posts and use a 203mm brake rotor when you use the RWD setup which gives you serious stopping power.
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The most important factors to consider when looking at e bike conversion kits are to make sure the battery fits in securely onto your frame. Alot of conversion kit batteries are big and chunky, i dont recommend these, as you will find them too heavy for your bike frame. And you will start to see the battery mounting brackets loosen. Also the messy wiring is a problem too, they come with standard length of wiring, so it is a decent effort to cut each wire to size so your bike still looks good.
For me, kits are still not as good as buying a factory made electric bike
For me, kits are still not as good as buying a factory made electric bike
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The most important factors to consider when looking at e bike conversion kits are to make sure the battery fits in securely onto your frame. Alot of conversion kit batteries are big and chunky, i dont recommend these, as you will find them too heavy for your bike frame. And you will start to see the battery mounting brackets loosen. Also the messy wiring is a problem too, they come with standard length of wiring, so it is a decent effort to cut each wire to size so your bike still looks good.
For me, kits are still not as good as buying a factory made electric bike
For me, kits are still not as good as buying a factory made electric bike
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I think the front kits have more risk to them in terms of safefty problems, like with the front drop outs being weaker than the back drop outs, maybe it is better to go with low powered front hubs.
which motor kit are you planning on buying?
I am going for the 36 v 500 watt rear, as it seems fast enough for my needs.. ( commuting 12 miles ) .. 19 mph ish..
and also is more lighter and less bulky ( battery is smaller)
but if you want speeds above 30 mph then 48 volt kit is better..
which motor kit are you planning on buying?
I am going for the 36 v 500 watt rear, as it seems fast enough for my needs.. ( commuting 12 miles ) .. 19 mph ish..
and also is more lighter and less bulky ( battery is smaller)
but if you want speeds above 30 mph then 48 volt kit is better..
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Alright. I pulled the trigger on the 48V 1000W RWD kit last Wednesday Dec 28 with 5A charger upgrade. Within minutes of ordering I got a Google Chat invitation from Papamotors to work out the upgrade logistics (them sending me a another Paypal invoice for the difference).
I came back from vacation today (Wednesday Jan 2nd) to check the status which indicate "shipped". Just now I received a mystery box delivered to my office which happens to be from Papamotors and it contains everything (wheel, etc.) except battery which they said they will ship separately. Looking closely at the shipping label, they shipped it out on the 29th from Shanghai and arrived today. That's 3 day air shipping!
So far so good. Can't wait to get the battery!
I came back from vacation today (Wednesday Jan 2nd) to check the status which indicate "shipped". Just now I received a mystery box delivered to my office which happens to be from Papamotors and it contains everything (wheel, etc.) except battery which they said they will ship separately. Looking closely at the shipping label, they shipped it out on the 29th from Shanghai and arrived today. That's 3 day air shipping!
So far so good. Can't wait to get the battery!
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Congratulations!
While you're waiting for the Ping battery you can purchase some of the extras you'll need...like a bike rack and the Cycle Analyst.
Did you get the 15 Ah or 20 Ah battery?
While you're waiting for the Ping battery you can purchase some of the extras you'll need...like a bike rack and the Cycle Analyst.
Did you get the 15 Ah or 20 Ah battery?
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EBikeFL: I got the standard 15 Ah battery--figured it will be more than sufficient for petal assist 10-35 miles commute (depending on whether I feel like throwing in public train transit into the mix). Speaking of Cycle Analyst, which version did you get? Standalone, Direct Plug-in, or Speedo?
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EBikeFL: I got the standard 15 Ah battery--figured it will be more than sufficient for petal assist 10-35 miles commute (depending on whether I feel like throwing in public train transit into the mix). Speaking of Cycle Analyst, which version did you get? Standalone, Direct Plug-in, or Speedo?
Ideally, I'm trying to get 25 miles from my 15 Ah Ping battery at 30+ mph using pedal assist. I have plans to use two 15 Ah Ping batteries on my second setup to give a total of over 50 miles at 30+ mph.
You'll also need some other items from ebike.ca to complete your setup such as the 6-speed rear cassette and two of the 2.5mm spacers if you're going to use a 203mm rotor on the rear which I highly recommend. I would also use ebike.ca's heavy duty rear universal torque arms (TorqArmRev4).
Get your list together and I'll let you know if you're missing anything before you order.
Man, I've been looking at ebike.ca's CA V3 webpage and I'm drooling. There's so many cool features!
I think the ultimate setup would be the CA V3 with Papamotor's 48v 1000w hub motor and two 15 Ah Ping batteries. Plus all the other little goodies I have on my first prototype setup.
Don't forget to also install the thumb or twist throttle. Looking at the CA V3 options you can turn off the PAS using the CA buttons. Nice!
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Bandett56, just likes the format of the site he mentioned.
I just got back from riding a few errands and spoke with someone who was also very interested in my e-bike. The future customer asked if I would notify him when I went public with a stock offering so he could invest in my company. He was very impressed.
I just got back from riding a few errands and spoke with someone who was also very interested in my e-bike. The future customer asked if I would notify him when I went public with a stock offering so he could invest in my company. He was very impressed.
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I think we should put together some sort of issue vs. solution type of document and also list as many of the variables as possible one very important one being the current mileage on the kit.
hi , i am reading your site on 1000 watt 48 volt . tried to PM you but could not , so i just post it here.
i just got to the part where mentioned setting up some ref page that people could go to for info so you dont have to keep repeating or lose the info.
hi , i am reading your site on 1000 watt 48 volt . tried to PM you but could not , so i just post it here.
i just got to the part where mentioned setting up some ref page that people could go to for info so you dont have to keep repeating or lose the info.
The e-trike looks very good. Keep us posted on any issues/upgrades.
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Bandett56, just likes the format of the site he mentioned.
I just got back from riding a few errands and spoke with someone who was also very interested in my e-bike. The future customer asked if I would notify him when I went public with a stock offering so he could invest in my company. He was very impressed.
I just got back from riding a few errands and spoke with someone who was also very interested in my e-bike. The future customer asked if I would notify him when I went public with a stock offering so he could invest in my company. He was very impressed.
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Thank you, bandett56 for your suggestions. Yes, I'm in the process of putting a website together and soon starting my own business. Spirit733t, has suggested putting some sort of webpage together to assist other Papamotor users as well. Perhaps, AllenG can suggest something that will solve our problem of having to read through all 20+ pages of posts to find the necessary information.
The e-trike looks very good. Keep us posted on any issues/upgrades.
The e-trike looks very good. Keep us posted on any issues/upgrades.
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Bandett56, just likes the format of the site he mentioned.
I just got back from riding a few errands and spoke with someone who was also very interested in my e-bike. The future customer asked if I would notify him when I went public with a stock offering so he could invest in my company. He was very impressed.
I just got back from riding a few errands and spoke with someone who was also very interested in my e-bike. The future customer asked if I would notify him when I went public with a stock offering so he could invest in my company. He was very impressed.
Looking forward to see your own business soon:-)
And congratulate you for getting a potential investor who would like to support your business
It's really good
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EBikeFL: I got the standard 15 Ah battery--figured it will be more than sufficient for petal assist 10-35 miles commute (depending on whether I feel like throwing in public train transit into the mix). Speaking of Cycle Analyst, which version did you get? Standalone, Direct Plug-in, or Speedo?
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i thought that it might be interesting to include another bit of data on your group information site. You mentioned gathering each members bike mileage etc. to display on the site.. i think it would interesting to include the ground pressure of the front and rear wheels separately for members bikes. it might bring out some interesting statistics.
If you have the rear wheel Papamotor setup then the most important tire will be the rear tire. I've never had a flat on the front tire regardless of the tire I was using. Looking at the tread wear on all the various tires I've used, the front tire is just along for the ride. Of course, you'd want wet weather performance with the front tire but the demands on the front tire are not anywhere near the demands of the rear. Now this could change once you started putting more weight in the form of front panniers which I plan on doing in the next week or two.
I've also noticed that due to the large front fairing, the weight on the front wheel makes a big difference when riding in weather conditions where the wind is above 15 mph and gusting at an angle other than 0 and 180 degrees. The front wheel and fairing become top heavy in windy conditions. When I changed to the Schwalbe Fat Franks I noticed this since these tires are lighter than the Maxxis Hookworms. I'm hoping that just the weight of the metal of the front pannier rack will counteract this characteristic. I have additional plans for the front panniers besides just adding weight too.
What is your rear wheel rated for ? you did say that your spokes became loose. i am surprised that papamotor allowed that to happen with their wheel. i assume they built the wheel .
at bicycle speeds ( 10 -15 mph ) that is not such a big deal. But at the speeds of 30 and 40 it can be.
at bicycle speeds ( 10 -15 mph ) that is not such a big deal. But at the speeds of 30 and 40 it can be.
Also, even on my trike with the small 500 watt front wheel motor. if i am on any slick/dusty/ etc surface the front wheel can spin during take off.
With a 1000 watt front wheel on a 2 wheeler and a hand throttle . a sudden burst of torque at the wrong time ( turning /curves / crossing that oil strip in the center of the road )could easily put the rider on the pavement ;(
Akin to a front wheel drive motorcycle .
With a 1000 watt front wheel on a 2 wheeler and a hand throttle . a sudden burst of torque at the wrong time ( turning /curves / crossing that oil strip in the center of the road )could easily put the rider on the pavement ;(
Akin to a front wheel drive motorcycle .
i just went and weighed my front wheel with me on it ..about 40 lb. But that is a trike so it doesn't mean much here.
Do you think there Would be a diff weight distribution with diff 2 wheeler frames or that all 2 wheeler frame are so similar that it would not matter ?
Do you think there Would be a diff weight distribution with diff 2 wheeler frames or that all 2 wheeler frame are so similar that it would not matter ?
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Bandett56, I don't know what to make of your post. You've disregarded all sense of grammar and spelling. Most times I completely ignore posts like this but let me see if I can make sense of what you are trying to say and perhaps clear up any points of confusion you may have.
I spend most of my time traveling on flat roads and as a result I'm always in the highest gears. Hence, the reason why I decided to upgrade my outer chain ring. If you use the 1000w hub motor and don't have some way of controlling the output where your pedaling actually has some effect then any of the lower gears won't matter.
I'm not exactly laughing...more like crying over your torture of English grammar. I think someone on this forum said it best that when you purchase a bicycle for an e-bike conversion you are buying the components that you want on it minus what you plan on upgrading. In fact, the second bicycle I purchased for my next conversion I did just that...told the vendor to take off the parts I was planning on upgrading so they could resell them and in exchange ship the bicycle to me for free.
Actually, my bicycle was $500.
I don't think most $100 walmart cruiser's have disc brakes. You may find some good deals on craigslist but not knowing for sure at 30+ mph could be a problem. Please put me in your will if you decide to use a $100 Walmart bicycle with the 1000w hub motor better yet put the hub motor on the front wheel. I don't want to wait more than a week to receive any of your funds.
I think you mentioned earlier that the bicycle tires are rated for "x" amount of pounds. Wouldn't you want to use as much weight as possible for cargo and not the bicycle itself without sacrificing structural integrity? There's no free lunch here when it comes to weight and energy used to move that weight.
Let me comment on 1) and 2):
1) I'm glad it's coming across to you that I like to ride my e-bike. These past 20+ pages haven't been in vain.
2) Well, if I wanted an electric motorcycle I would have purchased one...clearly I've spent enough on both of my e-bikes to afford one. If I just wanted to use the peddles for fake I wouldn't have purchased a $70 outer chain ring. Peddling activates the PAS and gives my thumb a rest. I know I mentioned in my previous posts that I use the thumb throttle to get me moving from a stand still and you mentioned that you read 15 pages of this thread. I don't think you did.
I'm sure we'd all like to hear about your 500w trike. Please start another thread though if you decide to tell us about it.
Also, this not only applies to you but all other members who decide to post on this thread and because it's so important I'll use all caps.
PLEASE CHECK YOUR GRAMMAR AND SPELLING BEFORE HITTING THE "Post Quick Reply" BUTTON. REMEMBER THAT THIS FORUM HAS A BUILT IN SPELL CHECKER AND WHEN A WORD YOU TYPE GETS HIGHLIGHTED IN A WAVY RED LINE THERE'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT. REMEMBER THAT YOUR INTELLIGENCE AND LEVEL OF EDUCATION CAN BE INFERRED IN WHAT AND HOW YOU WRITE ON THIS FORUM. A HANDY WEBPAGE TO HAVE OPEN WHILE YOU COMPOSE A MESSAGE IS: https://www.dictionary.com
You have fallen in love with your ability to twist and go.. and how much fun it is !
You have even advised people on this site with your answers that .
" you wont miss the ( 14 thousand gear options, haha ) on your real wheel cassette once you
experience the power of your elec motor. " you just wont need them " .
You have even advised people on this site with your answers that .
" you wont miss the ( 14 thousand gear options, haha ) on your real wheel cassette once you
experience the power of your elec motor. " you just wont need them " .
But yet you continue with your lust for the geek bike stuff like $1000 bikes to build ones own e bikes from.
( i hope you are laughing with me ) when i say this .
And this the same thing i would say to my best friend .
" why would you buy a $800 bike to convert to an e bike when you insist on replacing ( not using ) most
of it " .
( i hope you are laughing with me ) when i say this .
And this the same thing i would say to my best friend .
" why would you buy a $800 bike to convert to an e bike when you insist on replacing ( not using ) most
of it " .
Just from reading the first 15 pages of this site .
you are already into $2500 for e bike ... just to start 1000 for a bike and 1100 for the kit and then you bought new wheels
and 20 other things .
And All the trick bicycle stuff,,, then bigger rims and tire ... and better tires , then ...
Why start with a $800 bike ? when all you are going to end up using is the handle bars frame ?
you are already into $2500 for e bike ... just to start 1000 for a bike and 1100 for the kit and then you bought new wheels
and 20 other things .
And All the trick bicycle stuff,,, then bigger rims and tire ... and better tires , then ...
Why start with a $800 bike ? when all you are going to end up using is the handle bars frame ?
From what i have read from you on this site is 2 things .
1) you like to ride you bicycle around .
2) But ,,,you love to ride your bike around a lot more when you use it as a electric driven motorcycle ( just using the peddles for fake ) .
I think you need to come out of the closet and admit who you really are ! no longer satisfied to peddle a bicycle .
You want the POWER ! to twist and go ! just admit it and set yourself free !
1) you like to ride you bicycle around .
2) But ,,,you love to ride your bike around a lot more when you use it as a electric driven motorcycle ( just using the peddles for fake ) .
I think you need to come out of the closet and admit who you really are ! no longer satisfied to peddle a bicycle .
You want the POWER ! to twist and go ! just admit it and set yourself free !
1) I'm glad it's coming across to you that I like to ride my e-bike. These past 20+ pages haven't been in vain.
2) Well, if I wanted an electric motorcycle I would have purchased one...clearly I've spent enough on both of my e-bikes to afford one. If I just wanted to use the peddles for fake I wouldn't have purchased a $70 outer chain ring. Peddling activates the PAS and gives my thumb a rest. I know I mentioned in my previous posts that I use the thumb throttle to get me moving from a stand still and you mentioned that you read 15 pages of this thread. I don't think you did.
Also, this not only applies to you but all other members who decide to post on this thread and because it's so important I'll use all caps.
PLEASE CHECK YOUR GRAMMAR AND SPELLING BEFORE HITTING THE "Post Quick Reply" BUTTON. REMEMBER THAT THIS FORUM HAS A BUILT IN SPELL CHECKER AND WHEN A WORD YOU TYPE GETS HIGHLIGHTED IN A WAVY RED LINE THERE'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT. REMEMBER THAT YOUR INTELLIGENCE AND LEVEL OF EDUCATION CAN BE INFERRED IN WHAT AND HOW YOU WRITE ON THIS FORUM. A HANDY WEBPAGE TO HAVE OPEN WHILE YOU COMPOSE A MESSAGE IS: https://www.dictionary.com
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I don't have the front wheel setup but I'm trying to win over as many future Papamotor users to use the RWD setup. Come on over to the RWD...the dark side of the hub motor force (I'm watching Star Wars V right now). "Feel the force around you..."
The rear wheel setup especially with panniers makes your e-bike look like a regular bike due to the fact that the motor is hidden. You can't use disk brakes with the front wheel setup. You can use your stock disc brake posts and use a 203mm brake rotor when you use the RWD setup which gives you serious stopping power.
The rear wheel setup especially with panniers makes your e-bike look like a regular bike due to the fact that the motor is hidden. You can't use disk brakes with the front wheel setup. You can use your stock disc brake posts and use a 203mm brake rotor when you use the RWD setup which gives you serious stopping power.