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Tpcorr 03-19-16 09:43 PM

Speed sensor for Garmin Edge 520
 
So I just got a Garmin Edge 520 and will be getting at least the cadence sensor. Other than preventing data loss from gps signal loss, is there any advantage to using the speed sensor over the gps for determining speed and distance?

thanks

Tom

Shimagnolo 03-19-16 09:48 PM

The speed sensor responds much more quickly to speed changes than the GPS alone.

Damien09 03-19-16 09:50 PM

i have both for my 520 and,can say not realy. the only situation is maybe being able to see speed on a trainer. which is only helpful to compare speeds between one work out to another or for something like swift on a normal trainer. other that cadence is realy all thats needed.

gauvins 03-20-16 05:30 AM

Gps sensors are notoriously erratic at short intervals. A wheel mounted sensor will be more accurate.

Which may or may not be material depending on your goals.

Looigi 03-20-16 05:48 AM

Also, if you use auto-pause, the wheel sensor helps prevent false pausing due to GPS position/speed noise.

Marcus_Ti 03-20-16 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Looigi (Post 18622165)
Also, if you use auto-pause, the wheel sensor helps prevent false pausing due to GPS position/speed noise.

Depends on your luck with firmware.

I've turned off auto-pause, as randomly riding at 15-20MPH (with fresh batteries, and in rural areas) my Edge will chirp that it is pausing for 5-10 seconds.

Damien09 03-20-16 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti (Post 18622341)
Depends on your luck with firmware.

I've turned off auto-pause, as randomly riding at 15-20MPH (with fresh batteries, and in rural areas) my Edge will chirp that it is pausing for 5-10 seconds.

dang that would be annoying i havent ran into that with mine. maybe its the wheel speer sensor?

Marcus_Ti 03-20-16 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by Damien09 (Post 18622357)
dang that would be annoying i havent ran into that with mine. maybe its the wheel speer sensor?

Had it happen with both a GSC10 and the magnetless accelerometer sensor and my Edge1000. Although it tends to happen less frequently if the accelerometer sensor is on the front wheel hub and not the back. In both devices in all cases, batteries were ruled out. Frame isn't abnormally large, a custom job but still within in the 56cm roadie size class.

Costing for extended periods can trigger it IME. "Extended", meaning more than 10-15 seconds. One of the perks of living on the Great Plains, there ain't much opportunity for coasting.

Tpcorr 03-20-16 11:22 AM

Thanks for the responses. I think I'll get the cadence and speed sensors, after all, it's only money, lol.

TimothyH 03-20-16 12:25 PM

FYI, the Garmin speed sensor is not an accelerometer. It is a magnetometer which senses its own position relative the ambient magnetic field, typically the earth's magnetic field.

I can be affected by strong magnetic fields such as magnets for other sensors. Some have reported that it does not read correctly when riding over bridges built with large iron beams. Dynamo hubs can also cause interference.
http://support.garmin.com/support/searchSupport/simpleCase.htm?caseId={f8f275e0-1284-11e4-eaba-000000000000**&kbName=garmin
The URL above has to be copied and pasted. For some reason it doesn't work when linked.


-Tim-

Marcus_Ti 03-20-16 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by TimothyH (Post 18622901)
FYI, the Garmin speed sensor is not an accelerometer. It is a magnetometer which senses its own position relative the ambient magnetic field, typically the earth's magnetic field.

I can be affected by strong magnetic fields such as magnets for other sensors. Some have reported that it does not read correctly when riding over bridges built with large iron beams. Dynamo hubs can also cause interference.
http://support.garmin.com/support/searchSupport/simpleCase.htm?caseId={f8f275e0-1284-11e4-eaba-000000000000**&kbName=garmin
The URL above has to be copied and pasted. For some reason it doesn't work when linked.


-Tim-

How about with Chris King R45 hubs on a sunny day on a rural road in the middle of nowhere? What's Garmin's excuse for that behavior? Like I said GSC10 sensor does the same thing with E1K. Are the new sensors allergic to titanium framesets?

cafzali 03-20-16 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by gauvins (Post 18622142)
Gps sensors are notoriously erratic at short intervals. A wheel mounted sensor will be more accurate.

Which may or may not be material depending on your goals.

In addition, you'll get the most reliable distance calculations using a properly calibrated speed sensor.

TimothyH 03-20-16 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti (Post 18622927)
How about with Chris King R45 hubs on a sunny day on a rural road in the middle of nowhere? What's Garmin's excuse for that behavior? Like I said GSC10 sensor does the same thing with E1K. Are the new sensors allergic to titanium framesets?

What do you want from me?

How about you open a ticket with Garmin support and ask them?

John_V 03-21-16 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by cafzali (Post 18623329)
In addition, you'll get the most reliable distance calculations using a properly calibrated speed sensor.

Plus they will continue to give speed and distance when satellite connections are poor or non-existent in certain areas or with certain weather conditions.

Seattle Forrest 03-21-16 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Tpcorr (Post 18621868)
Other than preventing data loss from gps signal loss, is there any advantage to using the speed sensor over the gps for determining speed and distance?

It really depends on your goals, but I'll go out on a limb and say no.

If your cadence is too low, you could be hurting your knees, or fatiguing yourself too early. If your power or heart data is off, you won't get the fitness benefits you expect and are working for. If your distance data is off slightly (1 to 2 %) nothing bad will happen.

Seattle Forrest 03-21-16 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti (Post 18622341)
Depends on your luck with firmware.

I've turned off auto-pause, as randomly riding at 15-20MPH (with fresh batteries, and in rural areas) my Edge will chirp that it is pausing for 5-10 seconds.

Yours is defective.

I have an Edge 800 and a Fenix 3; neither of them have ever done that. The guy who sits next to me has a 920XT, it's never done that either. What you're describing is not typical at all.

You should call Garmin and get this resolved. Here, I'll google their number for you: 1 800-800-1020. They will probably ask you for an example activity, then send you a free replacement.

Marcus_Ti 03-21-16 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest (Post 18624800)
Yours is defective.

I have an Edge 800 and a Fenix 3; neither of them have ever done that. The guy who sits next to me has a 920XT, it's never done that either. What you're describing is not typical at all.

You should call Garmin and get this resolved. Here, I'll google their number for you: 1 800-800-1020. They will probably ask you for an example activity, then send you a free replacement.

On a device I purchased 14 months ago? Yea right. I don't even need to waste my lifespan contacting Garmin to know I'm SOL.

Heck they wouldn't even do that with Edge705/305 units with the design flaw with the metal-fatiguing battery spring resulting in Edge Narcolepsy. Free replacement? What planet do you live on?

TimothyH 03-21-16 01:43 PM

Some people think they are victims but they are really volunteers.

Seattle Forrest 03-21-16 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti (Post 18625227)
On a device I purchased 14 months ago? Yea right.

I would have either got it fixed 14 months ago, or got my money back. Unless you set an auto-pause threshold of 25 mph, the feature coming on at 20 mph is a defect.

Hypno Toad 03-21-16 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by Tpcorr (Post 18621868)
So I just got a Garmin Edge 520 and will be getting at least the cadence sensor. Other than preventing data loss from gps signal loss, is there any advantage to using the speed sensor over the gps for determining speed and distance?

thanks

Tom

You'll need it for some indoor trainers. I have a 510 without speed, the lag in realtime speed is never an issue for me. My wife got a new 520 bundle that included the speed sensor and she uses it with the trainer to ride Zwift - she's loving it. (for the record, I've stolen the speed and cadence sensors off her bike for some Zwift rides too).

Marcus_Ti 03-21-16 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest (Post 18626089)
I would have either got it fixed 14 months ago, or got my money back. Unless you set an auto-pause threshold of 25 mph, the feature coming on at 20 mph is a defect.

14 months ago it was easily written off as an Edge "feature".

You do know that you're talking about Garmin....that sells devices that are broken on a software level on release and are supremely unreliable, only to sort of fix them after 1-2 years of software updates?


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