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Old 11-09-17, 07:26 PM   #1
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Indoor Smart Trainer: Tacx Neo (road patterns) VS Wahoo Kickr (climb)

I am trying to decide between the Tacx Neo or Wahoo Kickr trainers and it seems to be coming down to the main features they offer uniquely. The Tacx Neo offers road patterns for a more realistic feeling on rough surfaces:
https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/...-patterns.html

And the Wahoo Kickr offers a Climb unit that can be mounted on the front tire to simulate physical bike height for gradients:
https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2017/08/...simulator.html

My usage will be with a bike with thru axles, and to use a social game like Zwift to group ride with, but also workout session.

I'm leaning toward the Tacx Neo to have the road patterns, with hopes that they come up with a front tire unit like the Climb in the future.
Which would you buy / prefer?
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Old 11-10-17, 05:49 AM   #2
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I would take either. My take on trainers is that they are great for doing the workouts as they are, but will never be like getting out on the road, although I haven't tried the smart trainers. I've been using a Cycleops Fluid 2 off and on for a number of years now and the promise is a "more road like" feel. It is a perfectly good trainer, but it doesn't feel like the road, and when I would go outside after training indoors all winter, I wouldn't really be ready. That said, I've also upped the game a bit with sensors so I can do Zwift and Sufferfest with virtual power and I'm finding that a lot more effective when I go outside, even on my commuter bike. I'm not the guy everyone passes on the Manhattan Bridge anymore, in fact I'm the one passing everyone else now.

So to answer your question with a question, will either of those features make you a better rider? And will the climb unit make it more comfortable to stand and mash so you can do it longer? That's one area I'd like to see improved as standing on my trainer is awkward.
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Old 11-10-17, 09:36 AM   #3
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Comparing those two features in isolation, I'd say the climb feature is better since it may have some genuine training benefit while the road feel feature is more of a gimmick. As a complete package, it's more complicated because it depends on other factors such as ease of maintenance based on where you live vs where it's made or was purchased. Also, how important a quiet trainer is to you, or whether it can run without being plugged in.

I'm not sure if the existing neo would be compatible with a climb feature. With the kickr, they had to design a new version that could work with the climb by allowing the bike to pivot while mounted to the resistance unit, which the older versions didn't allow. I don't know if the existing neo pivots or if either company can come up with something to modify existing units to allow them to pivot.
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We've had the KICKR for 2+ years. For us, a good smart trainer plus good, social software (e.g., Zwift), is a world of difference from the non-interactive experience.

The Neo is a great choice as well. You can't go wrong. The KICKR was less expensive. Neo road feel did not exist at the time, and I read that many users turn it off anyway after a while; I don't know what I'm missing so I don't have much of an opinion. The Neo is quieter but the KICKR sound is not a problem for us anyway. (And if you want really quiet there's a no-added-noise trainer (only drivetrain sound) available now, though it won't be interactive until at least next year.)

edit -- Personally, since we're already on the KICKR, I'd like the next generation -- very quiet and climb-capable. But don't wait.

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Old 11-11-17, 07:18 AM   #5
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I think both features mentioned are gimmicks.

The Neo is quieter and probably more accurate on power. Kickr has had issues in the past with power accuracy although the more recent models might be better.
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I have seen that people raise the front of their trainers to simulate climbing. I always thought that was a little silly, but then again, I haven't tried it. I'm too cheap to buy something that does it automatically. The Kickr is a really nice trainer though.
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KICKR accuracy rates +/- 2%, Neo Smart rates +/- 1%, per here (and elsewhere). Also read this summary comparison.

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I would worry about the road feel damaging my frame over time.
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I would worry about the road feel damaging my frame over time.
What aspect of it would have the potential to cause damage? You're just pivoting around the dropouts or the skewer. On the front, it's just lifting the fork.
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(And if you want really quiet there's a no-added-noise trainer (only drivetrain sound) available now, though it won't be interactive until at least next year.)

edit -- Personally, since we're already on the KICKR, I'd like the next generation -- very quiet and climb-capable. But don't wait.
Are you referring to the KICKR 2017, or some other Wahoo trainer?
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What aspect of it would have the potential to cause damage? You're just pivoting around the dropouts or the skewer. On the front, it's just lifting the fork.
The road feel feature on the Tacx is actually a vibration from the trainer simulating cobblestones and bumps on the road, so I can understand why this is a concern.
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The road feel feature on the Tacx is actually a vibration from the trainer simulating cobblestones and bumps on the road, so I can understand why this is a concern.
Whoops - thought it was referring to the hill feature of the Kickr.
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Also, let's be honest. There's a lot to love about riding outdoors, like sunshine, etc, but not really cobblestones. We have some cobbles in Seattle, on older, very steep streets. I only ride them when they're along a route I'm taking, I don't seek them out. Cobblestones are uncomfortable. Not having to put up with them is one of the nice things about using a trainer.
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What aspect of it would have the potential to cause damage? You're just pivoting around the dropouts or the skewer. On the front, it's just lifting the fork.
To be clear, there's nothing about the climb unit that would make me nervous. I'd consider it a bonus that you take the front wheel off, too. If you're going to use it four months out of the year, neither wheel gets any stress from bearing your weight, they're pristine come spring. I'm on the heavy side of the roadie spectrum and have swanky rims. That's the one I'd want.
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Are you referring to the KICKR 2017, or some other Wahoo trainer?
The STAC Zero began on Kickstarter.
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The STAC Zero is the quietest and one of the smallest, easiest to use and most portable power compatible trainers available on the market. The only noise generated comes from your bikeís geartrain, and nothing ever touches the tire, meaning that you will never have to buy another trainer tire. It was even designed to be used with knobby mountain bike tires!
Here's a preview from Interbike on next year's controllable version:

And some text on next year's controllable version.

edit: fix the last link

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The STAC Zero began on Kickstarter.


Here's a preview from Interbike on next year's controllable version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfUnZnfNh2s

And some text on next year's controllable version.
Thanks for the clarification. I think that I would prefer the Kickr with the Climb module rather than something completely silent.
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I went with the Neo and sm liking it so far. The road patterns feature feels realistic, and I can raise the front tire high where maybe Tacx will come out with a climb version of their own.
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