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Old 12-28-17, 10:45 PM
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New magnic lights with turn signal, brake light, built into the brake pad itself

I just saw this [admin edit: kickstarter removed per forum guidelines]

I'm already a user of the Magnic light for my rear, but this new product, if he can pull it off, is really cool. The light replaces your regular brake pad holder with a holder with the light built into it. Shoes can be replaced. When you tap your brake lever twice, it'll turn on a turn signal on that side. It will also get brighter as you apply brakes.

They are battery-less contact-less and dynamo-less. The run off the internal dynamo which gets its power from the eddy current generated by the aluminum rim.

He has both a front and rear light pair, and if I saw it right the regular price will be around 20eur for the set. Maybe it was per piece? I don't know.

So, turn signals, brake signals, no batteries. This sounds like something that's been asked for ages. Turn signals are always dismissed as unnecessary and not visible in any case.

I am in no way associated with MagnicLight. I'm just a happy past customer.

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Old 12-28-17, 11:21 PM
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Can't see this being my primary light for either front or rear, but would be a reasonable redundant backup if the primary lights fail.
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$1,194,550 goal
Well, uh, good luck with that.
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Originally Posted by zacster View Post
I just saw this

I'm already a user of the Magnic light for my rear, but this new product, if he can pull it off, is really cool. The light replaces your regular brake pad holder with a holder with the light built into it. Shoes can be replaced. When you tap your brake lever twice, it'll turn on a turn signal on that side. It will also get brighter as you apply brakes.

They are battery-less contact-less and dynamo-less. The run off the internal dynamo which gets its power from the eddy current generated by the aluminum rim.

He has both a front and rear light pair, and if I saw it right the regular price will be around 20eur for the set. Maybe it was per piece? I don't know.

So, turn signals, brake signals, no batteries. This sounds like something that's been asked for ages. Turn signals are always dismissed as unnecessary and not visible in any case.

I am in no way associated with MagnicLight. I'm just a happy past customer.
I would have to see it in action to appreciate it's worth but
the more lights there are on your bike the better you will be seen.
It does seem like they wouldn't be glaring eyesores.

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Old 12-29-17, 09:38 AM
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Uh, yeah, okay, turn signals and brake light. I mean, very clever and all, but whatever. How many lux/lumen/candle power do the front&rear LEDs put out? I'm overlooking that info on the Kickstarter page somewhere, right?
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How many lux/lumen/candle power do the front&rear LEDs put out? I'm overlooking that info on the Kickstarter page somewhere, right?
They do specify that the drag is less than 0.3W per light so we know the output power must be less than that. Then it's just a question of the efficiency of the LEDs. The record is about 200 lumens/W and I doubt these are close to that. So light output might be as high as 30 lumens per light (or maybe much less). As I wrote before, I don't see these replacing my primary lights but as an always available backup they look very promising.

Just got an email update after their first day on Kickstarter. They're clearly looking to get economies of scale by setting the target so high. With enough backers they hope to get the manufacturing costs as low as possible.

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Old 12-29-17, 03:37 PM
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The turn signal doesn't seem very useful but they look very interesting.
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Not very modular. I like my dynamos and lights and brake pads to be separate.
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A few of the local riders use the old model and love them. These should be a hit with anyone who wants that clean look, and should sell very well, even at 100$ a set. A million pounds is a big target though.
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Now that I have seen them they are pretty cool looking but
it takes more than cool looks to be safe. Don't get me wrong
I like the idea. Though if you notice you never see the bike signalling when it's truly dark.
You see it at dusk. That can be because whoever directed the video wanted everything perfect.
But what about that imperfect night when there is no ambient light,
it is raining and you need the brake/signal lights the most?
How good is that signal light when the car behind you has wipers going and
the only point of reference is given by that little light.
How does the car driver know which side the signalling light is on?
As said much better than nothing but
I would like to see it at night.
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I didn't catch the part about raising one million euro. He'll never get that. I love my tail light but never thought the front lights could be bright enough. I like the idea of them being compact and not hanging off anything though and I put my money down.
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I didn't catch the part about raising one million euro. He'll never get that. I love my tail light but never thought the front lights could be bright enough. I like the idea of them being compact and not hanging off anything though and I put my money down.
Yes, I signed up too, but am very skeptical that this will actually get funded. Kickstarter said that money would only change hands upon completion of funding so I don't think I'm risking anything.
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Originally Posted by PdalPowr View Post
it is raining and you need the brake/signal lights the most?
How good is that signal light when the car behind you has wipers going and
the only point of reference is given by that little light.
The current lights are very bright, around 40lm each.

The signalling and brake features don't make a lot of sense on the road, but would work OK on busy european bike paths, the target market.
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The current lights are very bright, around 40lm each.

The signalling and brake features don't make a lot of sense on the road, but would work OK on busy european bike paths, the target market.
That does make sense.
I do feel that unless otherwise stated an issue must be discussed as it applies to everyone.

Apropos of you mentioning busy bike paths it scares me to think of congestion on bike paths.
Do you think there will ever be traffic jams and other kinds of snarls?
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you going to kick in?
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I think a set of these would be great 'set-and-forget' general running lights for my bikes. I'll always have more powerful lights for night rides, but these would be ideal as daytime and back up lights.

The high goal will probably not be met. He should ditch the top end one (with turn signals, connectivity) and then the basic model and the stand light model will probably work.
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Originally Posted by prathmann View Post
They do specify that the drag is less than 0.3W per light so we know the output power must be less than that. Then it's just a question of the efficiency of the LEDs. The record is about 200 lumens/W and I doubt these are close to that. So light output might be as high as 30 lumens per light (or maybe much less). As I wrote before, I don't see these replacing my primary lights but as an always available backup they look very promising.
Just out of curiosity, do they specify the type of drag? So often with anything bikes, when someone says drag, they are typically talking about aerodynamic drag, but as we're basically talking about Faraday's law here, it would be more akin to mechanical drag on the rim.

As you mentioned in your math, the light output would be very low if that's the power generated, especially for the cost. At the price listed on their site, there are several battery powered options that are brighter with a long enough battery life to negate the need for generating power on the bike. I couldn't see anything on the site regarding actual light output.

Honestly, I'm failing to see the draw to the product aside from being a novelty item. My rides begin and end before dawn a good chunk of the year, so lighting for both visibility and being able to see, is something that I'm fairly concerned with.
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The high goal will probably not be met. He should ditch the top end one (with turn signals, connectivity) and then the basic model and the stand light model will probably work.
Ayep, and that looks to be the direction this is headed. From the comments & replies section of the campaign, yesterday: "I expect that we will be able to start the basic and the Stand Light version with or without Kickstarter." - Dirk Strothmann


...aaaand Mr. Strothmann has put up some info on photon output in 'Update #7'.
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Ayep, and that looks to be the direction this is headed. From the comments & replies section of the campaign, yesterday: "I expect that we will be able to start the basic and the Stand Light version with or without Kickstarter." - Dirk Strothmann


...aaaand Mr. Strothmann has put up some info on photon output in 'Update #7'.
The whole 'smart' light thing is being overdone I think.

There are some useful features in the lights already on the market, but a lot of it is useless 'me too' stuff. I have a SeeSense tail light and I don't use a fraction of the features. The big section of the market is people who want to push one button (once or multiple times to scroll functions) and get reliable light.

The vanilla versions of these should sell very well. We'll have to wait and see...
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I never saw anything again about the brake/turn signal lights. I had forgotten about them until this post floated back to the top of my subscribed threads.

I had an original Magnic light that was attached to my brake arm and this did give a brake light effect, but I lost that one. I got another as a replacement but this time attached it to my rack instead with a home-made extension so the light was truly at the rear and visible. My side bag would get in the way otherwise. It's been on this bike for a number of years now and if it hadn't been broken at one point when the light got knocked off all the features might still work. As it is, the basic light function is still there and it is still plenty bright for a rear light, but I don't think the same output is quite enough for the front. I just wish the standlight would work.
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I suppose 40 lumensish could be okay for a taillight--maybe--but not for any kind of effective headlight, at least not with the weather I deal with 8 months out of the year.
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I suppose 40 lumensish could be okay for a taillight--maybe--but not for any kind of effective headlight, at least not with the weather I deal with 8 months out of the year.
I have no qualms at all about my taillight. It is plenty bright. When I first started using it people would comment on it, both cyclists and motorists.
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Was modified and re-launched soon afterwards.

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I must be missing something. From, say, eighty yards away, to the rear of the bike, those right and left turn signals are going to be indistinguishable as far as their location--aren't they? Aren't they way too close together?
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