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rseeker 09-07-18 10:37 AM

Exposed protection circuit on batteries?
 
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What is that exposed brown disk around the button on these batteries?

That's the protection circuit board, right? But why is it visible when it's usually (when I usually see it) under the outer plastic wrapper? And is it just a cosmetic difference or something more?

BTW that's from here: https://www.fasttech.com/products/1420/10001980/2204400

sk0tt 09-07-18 07:41 PM

Looks like an insulator, or a washer.

rseeker 09-08-18 03:05 AM


Originally Posted by sk0tt (Post 20553461)
Looks like an insulator, or a washer.

Thanks.

I literally have no idea, I've never bought this kind of battery (18650) before. But I'm about to take the plunge.

angerdan 09-08-18 07:06 AM

You can read about which cells are good and what charger suits you here:
lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Common18650IndividualTest%20UK.html
lygte-info.dk/info/indexBatteriesAndChargers%20UK.html
lygte-info.dk/info/isMyBatteryProtected%20UK.html

rseeker 09-08-18 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by angerdan (Post 20553930)

Awesome, thanks. And that leads to a page on battery anatomy, also helping a lot: The Anatomy of a Protected Battery

VegasTriker 09-08-18 02:51 PM

Here's what a protection circuit board looks like https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...113a810715.jpg

vol 09-08-18 08:45 PM

I wonder if the cheap Chinese 18650 batteries that claim to be protected are truly protected? Between a cheap generic one labeled "protected" and a name brand that is not protected, which is more reliable?

angerdan 09-09-18 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by vol (Post 20555065)
I wonder if the cheap Chinese 18650 batteries that claim to be protected are truly protected?
Between a cheap generic one labeled "protected" and a name brand that is not protected, which is more reliable?

"The PTC may not be present in high current cells and it may also be missing in cheap cells."
lygte-info.dk/info/isMyBatteryProtected%20UK.html

So it also depends on how you use it and whith which charger you charge it.
You can have luck with cheap cells.

When it's about sefety, i wouldn't take any risk.
Good protected cells are Keepower.

vol 09-09-18 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by angerdan (Post 20555419)
"The PTC may not be present in high current cells and it may also be missing in cheap cells."
lygte-info.dk/info/isMyBatteryProtected%20UK.html

So it also depends on how you use it and whith wich charger you charge it.
You can have luck with cheap cells.

When it's about sefety, i wouldn't take any risk.
Good protected cells are Keepower.

Thanks for the link--very helpful. It seems the generic ones I have are not protected.

Is it a bad idea (unsafe) to keep using the cheap generic batteries until they "go bad" (losing charges significantly)? I wonder if I should toss them up after a year or so even though they are still working well.

angerdan 09-09-18 11:35 AM

As long if they don't get warm during charge or use it's possibly safe.

rseeker 09-09-18 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by VegasTriker (Post 20554578)
Here's what a protection circuit board looks like

Thanks, VegasTriker, the picture is filling in.


Originally Posted by vol (Post 20555065)
I wonder if the cheap Chinese 18650 batteries that claim to be protected are truly protected? Between a cheap generic one labeled "protected" and a name brand that is not protected, which is more reliable?

There are a lot of 18650 teardown videos on YouTube I found over the last couple days. Some show batteries clearly labeled "protected" which don't have a protection circuit board. I'm shocked! (Well, not actually that shocked, any more.)


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