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guapo_az 10-18-18 12:13 AM

Need a new bright light
 
Lots of them out there. I've narrowed my search to the L&M Urban 1000, the Lezyne Macro 1100XL and the new Niterider 1200. I also considered the Cygolite 1100, but decided against it. All of these lights are super bright, but I really don't need 1200 lumens for an hour or ride time. For that matter, I really don't need 1000 lumens for 1:30 either. So, I've been looking at their secondary settings. Niterider has 550 lumens for 3 hours. L&M has 500 lumens for 3 hours. Lezyne has 650 lumens for 2:30. The Cygolite is hard to tell - I think I found somewhere they are about 380 lumens for a couple hours or something like that and their boost is up to 1100. It just doesn't seem to be bright enough on that second setting or last long enough.

Pricing for the Cygolite is around $75, Lezyne is $79, Niterider $100 and that L&M sucker is $120. I like the L&M looks, but not for an extra $20-$40. I'm leaning towards the Lezyne. 650 lumens for 2:30 hours is like a 45-50 mile ride for me... which would leave me as cold as a Popsicle when the sun ain't up in the winter. It should be plenty. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with these lights? Maybe someone can make a different suggestion?

Thanks!

daoswald 10-18-18 12:45 AM

You could maintain 20 MPH for 2h30m at night except that it's cold? (It's ok, I am certain I could not, and the cold wouldn't even be the reason. :)

Whatever duration your light lasts on high, it's never enough. Whatever duration it lasts on medium, it's usually more than a person would need for typical night training rides. And whatever duration the light lasts on low, it is never enough for endurance events that run through the night.

I had an old NightRider (halogen) that lasted me long enough to do 30 mile rides. I never ran it down in a single thirty-mile ride.

I replaced the NightRider with an L&M Urban 900... or maybe 1000; I forget now. That lasted me about five months before a pothole jarred the bike hard enough to cause the light's case to break off at the mount point. Up until that time, the light was fantastic. On medium I could get over three hours, which is long enough to outlast my longest night training rides (usually up to about 26 miles).

When it came time to replace that light, I went with a Light & Motion Taz 1200. It's a little heavier, but the mount point is reinforced with a screw, and the case seems more sturdy. The beam pattern is superior too. So at this point, and until it fails forcing me to find something better, it's the light I recommend. :)

In the back I have a CygloLite HostShot Pro 150.

KraneXL 10-18-18 03:04 AM


Originally Posted by guapo_az (Post 20621869)
Lots of them out there. I've narrowed my search to the L&M Urban 1000, the Lezyne Macro 1100XL and the new Niterider 1200. I also considered the Cygolite 1100, but decided against it. All of these lights are super bright, but I really don't need 1200 lumens for an hour or ride time. For that matter, I really don't need 1000 lumens for 1:30 either. So, I've been looking at their secondary settings. Niterider has 550 lumens for 3 hours. L&M has 500 lumens for 3 hours. Lezyne has 650 lumens for 2:30. The Cygolite is hard to tell - I think I found somewhere they are about 380 lumens for a couple hours or something like that and their boost is up to 1100. It just doesn't seem to be bright enough on that second setting or last long enough.

Pricing for the Cygolite is around $75, Lezyne is $79, Niterider $100 and that L&M sucker is $120. I like the L&M looks, but not for an extra $20-$40. I'm leaning towards the Lezyne. 650 lumens for 2:30 hours is like a 45-50 mile ride for me... which would leave me as cold as a Popsicle when the sun ain't up in the winter. It should be plenty. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with these lights? Maybe someone can make a different suggestion?

Thanks!

Not the specific light but the Niterider (NR) brand. I have the NR 1800 Pro and love it. The only issue I have with it is the overly complicated electronic power switch -- you have to hold it and wait. Fine when you're starting out, but not that simple at speed. Hit a bump and you lose contact and have to start over.

I wish it had a direct access to the power setting or at least a feedback click power up/down. Also, keep in mind when shopping for a light, its not just a matter of power output, but beam pattern as well. NR has one of the best in the business, so be sure to check reviews to make sure you're getting a beam pattern (lens) that defines objects rather than just a bright scattered light that reflects back a lot of glare.

guapo_az 10-18-18 10:12 PM

Thanks for the thoughts. I went with the Lezyne. That second setting was just a little too compelling to ignore - especially for the price.

noglider 10-19-18 10:38 AM

Those are all good brands. One would probably be happy with any of them.

TimothyH 10-19-18 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by guapo_az (Post 20621869)
L&M sucker is $120. I like the L&M looks, but not for an extra $20-$40.

Light & Motion Urban 900 - $74.93
https://www.rei.com/product/122366/l...ont-bike-light

I own three Light & Motion products including the one linked above. Construction is robust and beam pattern is so good that it seems much brighter than it is.

Some complain that the tab breaks off the light so that it cannot be inserted into the mount and conclude that the light is poor quality but this is invariably because they are removing the light from the mount. The light is supposed to stay attached to the mount and the mount removed from the bike using the rubber strap. I have not had a problem in many years.


-Tim-

Falchoon 10-20-18 01:06 AM

A bit late now as OP has already purchased a light but for future reference...

https://road.cc/content/buyers-guide...lus-how-choose

From the beam shots the Cateye Volt 800 looks pretty good - better than a number of other lights with more lumens.

surak 10-25-18 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by TimothyH (Post 20624101)
Light & Motion Urban 900 - $74.93
https://www.rei.com/product/122366/l...ont-bike-light

I own three Light & Motion products including the one linked above. Construction is robust and beam pattern is so good that it seems much brighter than it is.

Some complain that the tab breaks off the light so that it cannot be inserted into the mount and conclude that the light is poor quality but this is invariably because they are removing the light from the mount. The light is supposed to stay attached to the mount and the mount removed from the bike using the rubber strap. I have not had a problem in many years.


-Tim-

Dang, I just ordered the L&M 900 ($60) and am not looking forward to their backwards idea of a quick release.

rm -rf 10-25-18 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Falchoon (Post 20624975)
A bit late now as OP has already purchased a light but for future reference...

https://road.cc/content/buyers-guide...lus-how-choose

From the beam shots the Cateye Volt 800 looks pretty good - better than a number of other lights with more lumens.

That Cateye has a sharper edge cutoff and a brighter center beam than the Lezyne in your link.
I'd rather have a smooth edge transition and an evenly wide beam. The edges are somewhat distracting to me.
But the ones with narrower bright centers will project farther down the road, so they can be better on faster downhills.

MikeyMK 10-27-18 07:13 AM

I bought my light and battery separately, saved me a lot of money for the performance.

The li-po battery pack is 9800mah at 12v, it's the size of a superkings cigarette packet, has a built-in on-off switch and cost 20 quid.

The lamp was a motorbike Cree led front fog lamp, very strong diode, ULM U3 I think. Claims of stupid lumens of course, 5000 from one diode... more relevant is the claim of 10w power consumption. Voltage input 12v-60v. Big glass magnifier isn't light, at least in weight, but gives it a good projection (broad and consistent range of flood and throw). That was like 15 quid.

So for 35 quid I had the brightest light in town, that lasted.

(I still do, it's now rigged into my 48v e-bikes computer).

KraneXL 10-27-18 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by rm -rf (Post 20633656)
That Cateye has a sharper edge cutoff and a brighter center beam than the Lezyne in your link.
I'd rather have a smooth edge transition and an evenly wide beam. The edges are somewhat distracting to me.
But the ones with narrower bright centers will project farther down the road, so they can be better on faster downhills.

Distinct edges indicates a more focused beam -- the light goes only where its needed. These types are of much higher quality than those with indistinct edges where the light gets scattered and refracted all over the place.

Beam pattern, while related, can provide focus and/or spread. Both are needed, in a good light typically provides both to various degrees. With the best designed lights, there shouldn't be any highly noticeable distinction (hot spots) between the distance focus and spread beam patterns.

Canuk1w1 11-03-18 10:01 AM

:cheers:


Originally Posted by guapo_az (Post 20621869)
Lots of them out there. I've narrowed my search to the L&M Urban 1000, the Lezyne Macro 1100XL and the new Niterider 1200. I also considered the Cygolite 1100, but decided against it. All of these lights are super bright, but I really don't need 1200 lumens for an hour or ride time. For that matter, I really don't need 1000 lumens for 1:30 either. So, I've been looking at their secondary settings. Niterider has 550 lumens for 3 hours. L&M has 500 lumens for 3 hours. Lezyne has 650 lumens for 2:30. The Cygolite is hard to tell - I think I found somewhere they are about 380 lumens for a couple hours or something like that and their boost is up to 1100. It just doesn't seem to be bright enough on that second setting or last long enough.
...

First off say thanks to everyone - OP for starting this thread and the rest for your replies. I'm looking at lights in the same range and plenty of Lezyne and L&M on sale now. But I may also splurge and get the Garmin to pair my Edge 820 :foo:


Originally Posted by MikeyMK (Post 20635726)
I bought my light and battery separately, saved me a lot of money for the performance.

The li-po battery pack is 9800mah at 12v, it's the size of a superkings cigarette packet, has a built-in on-off switch and cost 20 quid.

The lamp was a motorbike Cree led front fog lamp, very strong diode, ULM U3 I think. Claims of stupid lumens of course, 5000 from one diode... more relevant is the claim of 10w power consumption. Voltage input 12v-60v. Big glass magnifier isn't light, at least in weight, but gives it a good projection (broad and consistent range of flood and throw). That was like 15 quid.

So for 35 quid I had the brightest light in town, that lasted.

(I still do, it's now rigged into my 48v e-bikes computer).

This is an intriguing idea - moto lights need to tolerate much more vibration so must be robust. How/where do you mount your battery pack? Pretty sure if the velominati will not allow me to hang a battery pack off my supersix Evo :twitchy:


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