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is my Garmin 1030+ gitchy?

Old 11-01-20, 07:18 PM
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is my Garmin 1030+ gitchy?

I pretty much used google on my phone for GPS directions but I really wanted some visual as some directions are hard to follow. Plus I needed another gps so I got the 1030. I used ride gps to start making my maps but I started noticing that directions were coming after I passed the road I needed to turn on. I was thinking maybe it needed turned off as I have been putting it to sleep. so I turned it off and then chose return trip using the same route. but I would get opposite turn directions. I tested this and if I took the wrong turn I would get the warning wrong direction notification. I tired resetting it and starting fresh and tested it. it seemed fine on the trip out but when I chose return the same route I got two wrong promos one was a left turn instead of straight while on the bike path into a apartment complex. I also noticed voice prompts were not happening though thats not a big deal. But are the gamins pretty accurate on navigation?
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It could be that the maps loaded for your particular region on the Garmin aren't as accurate.

I could also be the maps you used on RWGPS do not match or agree with Garmin's maps, and/or the actual roads. While planning your route on RWGPS, you'll notice their route planner gives you several map choices in the dropdown on the upper right corner. In some regions, you'll notice when you switch between them (e.g. between Map, RWGPS, and OSM Cycle), the roads don't line up (or plain don't exist on some maps).
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I have found a few spots where bike paths would not work right drawing up the map. but toe one I really noticed was on a 5 miles stretch of a main road it water me to turn right sainted of keeping straight. it seems worse fo wrong directions when going back on the same course. most of my maps are pretty basic and I live in Portland Oregon so they are not odd location. I guess maybe draw one up in the connect app ad check it? but I think both apps use google for their maps.

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If you are in a city with tall buildings, then gps's will suffer accuracy. 30ft is the best you should assume no matter what the accuracy resolution is showing in the device calculations for itself. No one but Garmin really know what that means. And the best guess is that it simply means that more than 50% of the calculations agreed that you where within that radius. But that doesn't mean that radius was the position you actually are.

Zoom in on your track, look at it on the satellite and mapping overlays and see if maybe you need to adjust how far out you get a turn cue. But if you are in an area of poor reception from buildings or terrain then good luck.

It always helps to just know where to go. Reliance on GPS might lower your cognitive awareness. I just use mine to record what I've done.
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Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
If you are in a city with tall buildings, then gps's will suffer accuracy. 30ft is the best you should assume no matter what the accuracy resolution is showing in the device calculations for itself. No one but Garmin really know what that means. And the best guess is that it simply means that more than 50% of the calculations agreed that you where within that radius. But that doesn't mean that radius was the position you actually are.

Zoom in on your track, look at it on the satellite and mapping overlays and see if maybe you need to adjust how far out you get a turn cue. But if you are in an area of poor reception from buildings or terrain then good luck.

It always helps to just know where to go. Reliance on GPS might lower your cognitive awareness. I just use mine to record what I've done.
no i am always in the open and when I had signal strength up it was always good. I think it has always been giving me wrong turns. like on a bike path that goes for a few miles it will tell me to turn off it in the wrong direction to the way my destination is. it seems a bit better after I redid it and it seems to only do it on longer rides like 30 mile rides. so that only happens on Sundays usually. I can load both maps one on my garmin explore they are both going on the tandem. I have also had the 1030 say recalculating error and stop navigating after it give me a wrong direction. yesterday it stopped doing voice guidance at all
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My 520 would start giving me opposite turn directions at times too, usually after I missed a turn and had to make a u-turn somewhere. Also use RWGPS for routing, so it could be some weird interaction between the two.
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Old 11-06-20, 05:52 AM
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My 520 would start giving me opposite turn directions at times too, usually after I missed a turn and had to make a u-turn somewhere.
The 520 just provides basic track following navigation.

The Garmins can be confused if you are at a place where the track also returns in the opposite direction. They can pick up the wrong leg especially when you are stopped. The Garmins lose heading when you are stopped. Usually, the sort themselves out but restarting the track in a place with one leg and moving in the right direction should get it to working properly again.
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Also use RWGPS for routing, so it could be some weird interaction between the two.
No, not really.

Every route planner produces the same sort of file. There no routing information in the files.

The files are just a list of coordinates that trace the turns and curves of the path you want to follow.

The Garmin Edges create a list of turns by walking the track and picking roads on the map installed on the device that the track appears to follow.

Ideally, one would use the same map to plan the route as is installed on the device. But, if it's fairly close, it still will generally still work.

The newer Garmins use Openstreetmap maps. One should try to use that when planning the route.

The Garmins can have issues with roads/paths that are right next to each other. And sometimes, they do shortcuts off the planned track.​​​​​​

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Old 11-06-20, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by fooferdoggie View Post
II used ride gps to start making my maps but I started noticing that directions were coming after I passed the road I needed to turn on.
It sounds like you don't have "turn guidance" enabled. Turn guidance shows big white arrows.

Enable it from Navigation -> Courses -> Saved Courses -> (menu at lower right).

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I can load both maps one on my garmin explore they are both going on the tandem.
You aren't loading "maps". You are loading "courses".

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I have also had the 1030 say recalculating error and stop navigating after it give me a wrong direction. yesterday it stopped doing voice guidance at all
Turn off recalculation. Are you using the latest firmware?

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I have found a few spots where bike paths would not work right drawing up the map. but toe one I really noticed was on a 5 miles stretch of a main road it water me to turn right sainted of keeping straight. it seems worse fo wrong directions when going back on the same course. most of my maps are pretty basic and I live in Portland Oregon so they are not odd location. I guess maybe draw one up in the connect app ad check it? but I think both apps use google for their maps.
???

This is hard to understand.

Its possible that there is an error in one of the maps.

No one will be able to help you much without knowing exactly where this problem occurred.

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I guess maybe draw one up in the connect app ad check it? but I think both apps use google for their maps.
You can pick the map to use. Use Openstreetmap (OSM) since that's what the device is using.

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Important.

The best way to use these devices for navigation is to also look at the map and see your location relative to the "purple" track line. This can't really ever be wrong (outside of a broken unit or being in "deep canyons"). It might sometimes be a little off but not by much.

This often lets you know of upcoming turns before they get announced and let you see that you are off course if you miss a turn. This also works when there isn't an announcement (where one might expect it).

It takes some practice/experience to include scanning the map while you are riding. (This is one reason to use navigation when you don't need to.)

If you are relying on the announcements, you'll have problems. I don't think relying on the announcements is using the devices well.



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Old 11-06-20, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
If you are in a city with tall buildings, then gps's will suffer accuracy. 30ft is the best you should assume no matter what the accuracy resolution is showing in the device calculations for itself. No one but Garmin really know what that means. And the best guess is that it simply means that more than 50% of the calculations agreed that you where within that radius. But that doesn't mean that radius was the position you actually are.
There could be problems in cities with tall buildings but most people aren't using Garmins there. So this likely isn't relevant to the OP's issues. In the years I've used the devices, I haven't seen this problem except rarely and briefly.

Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
Zoom in on your track, look at it on the satellite and mapping overlays and see if maybe you need to adjust how far out you get a turn cue.
If he's using "turn guidance" (he should be), you can't adjust how far out you get the announcement. They always happen at 0.1 miles (unless there is less distance between the turns). I don't get how he's getting the announcements after the turn.

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But if you are in an area of poor reception from buildings or terrain then good luck.
This isn't a common problem.

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It always helps to just know where to go. Reliance on GPS might lower your cognitive awareness.
Having at least some sense of where you are going is important. Keeping an eye on the map can increase awareness.

If you are relying on the announcements, you'll have problems. I don't think relying on the announcements is using the devices well.

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I just use mine to record what I've done.
How much do you know how the navigation works?

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Old 11-06-20, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
How much do you know how the navigation works?
How navigation works on the device? Is that a pre-requisite? At what level of experience must we have to reply? I've used it enough to know that nothing beats just looking at a map before a trip and knowing where to go. It's not hard. Just takes a little practice.

I do know how navigation works though. I have always been pretty accurate with dead reckoning, pilotage or simply just instinct on land sea or air. I've always made it to my destination.

Your other comments to my reply are silly as most of your comments about them make specific assumptions about either the OP which at the time were unknown or you set up specific circumstance in your comment about my generalizations.
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I admit I am terrible about navigation I have never driven a car and always used public transportation. hell I even had trouble with a mirror because I hardly ever use one. But I will check the GPS for the right settings. the one blatant wrong turn was on a 5 mile stretch on a city street and I got a turn arrow on the next street. I have gotten the same thing on a bike path to turn into a apartment complex. I have had wrong turns the nI choose return with the same course and it would give me opposite turn instructions.
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How navigation works on the device? Is that a pre-requisite? At what level of experience must we have to reply?
Just takes a little practice.
You have to have some experience with them. You appear to have very little.

Using a GPS doesn't have to be any different than "looking at a map".

You are overexaggerating the problems with gps reception.

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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
So, you don't really know how to use them.

Using a GPS doesn't have to be any different than "looking at a map"
Doesn't have to be any different, but that doesn't answer the OP's issues now does it?
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Old 11-06-20, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by fooferdoggie View Post
I admit I am terrible about navigation I have never driven a car and always used public transportation. hell I even had trouble with a mirror because I hardly ever use one. But I will check the GPS for the right settings. the one blatant wrong turn was on a 5 mile stretch on a city street and I got a turn arrow on the next street. I have gotten the same thing on a bike path to turn into a apartment complex. I have had wrong turns the nI choose return with the same course and it would give me opposite turn instructions.
I wasn't asking about your experience.

PM me with the link to the course and indicate where the problem was.

One can get tiny "bumps" in the route that cause fake turns. More care and experience with creating routes will reduce the frequency of that happening. But that will still happen and you'll have to learn to deal with it.

The track on the map screen should have shown it wasn't really a turn.

If you go just by the announcements, you will have these issues. The navigation works much better if you also look at the map.

It takes practice/experience to be able to include glances at the map with your other looking around. Which is why using the device when you don't need to is useful.

Ideally, you wouldn't take the announcements as commands but think a bit about whether they make sense.

The 1030+ shouldn't work much differently than the Explore. The 1030+ does have a compass, which means it knows your heading when stopped.

Having a sense of what the device is doing and how it works is useful.

The 1030+ and the 1030 aren't "glitchy" (I have direct experience with both). People spreading FUD about the units might discourage you from working through issues (and blame the device).

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I suspect many people (not sure if that includes you) think that it's a matter of pressing a button and things "just work".

One has to put a little thought into using these and that, along with another thing to look at while riding, is not exactly easy at first.

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Old 11-06-20, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
Doesn't have to be any different, but that doesn't answer the OP's issues now does it?
It helps. It's an important part of using these effectively.

It's not clear what the OP's issues are. It could be a few things (which I've tried to address).

His problem isn't reception in cities. So discussing that certainly doesn't answer the OP's issues!

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Old 11-06-20, 11:19 AM
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I Was planning on turning off the voice it gets annoying. Plus I have it so the direction is forward that would be easier for me. here is a snapshot of the map where I got the wrong turn one of them anyway. it is the little blip[ to the right I turned just to see what would happen. it was a 5 mile straight shot across town

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Originally Posted by fooferdoggie View Post
Plus I have it so the direction is forward that would be easier for me.
I'm assuming you mean you have it set so that the triangle showing your location always points to the top of the screen (so the arrow doesn't rotate).

Garmin calls that "track up". That's generally the best option to use.

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here is a snapshot of the map where I got the wrong turn one of them anyway. it is the little blip[ to the right I turned just to see what would happen. it was a 5 mile straight shot across town
I'm assuming you are talking about the small line pointing to the right (east) above Powell-Hurst?

So, you went off-course (by turning right?). I supposed you turned around?

Then, when you returned to the north/south street, you got a confusing turn indication?

If that's what happened, the issue is that there are two legs the Garmin can choose from. If you stopped at the intersection, it's even harder for it to pick the right one.

In this sort of case, you should continue the way you want and the device should be able to figure it out. It might stay a bit confused until you reach a point where there aren't two legs.

If you don't know the right way, that can be a problem. You can often tell that the device has picked the wrong leg by looking at the distance to end.

I use the following "data field" to display the current speed, average speed, distance traveled. and distance to end.

https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/8...f-9f10113b5276

Things might work better if you disable "recalculation".
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
I'm assuming you mean you have it set so that the triangle showing your location always points to the top of the screen (so the arrow doesn't rotate).

Garmin calls that "track up". That's generally the best option to use.


I'm assuming you are talking about the small line pointing to the right (east) above Powell-Hurst?

So, you went off-course (by turning right?). I supposed you turned around?

Then, when you returned to the north/south street, you got a confusing turn indication?

If that's what happened, the issue is that there are two legs the Garmin can choose from. If you stopped at the intersection, it's even harder for it to pick the right one.

In this sort of case, you should continue the way you want and the device should be able to figure it out. It might stay a bit confused until you reach a point where there aren't two legs.

If you don't know the right way, that can be a problem. You can often tell that the device has picked the wrong leg by looking at the distance to end.

I use the following "data field" to display the current speed, average speed, distance traveled. and distance to end.

https://apps.garmin.com/en-US/apps/8...f-9f10113b5276

Things might work better if you disable "recalculation".
YA the direction of the map was a pain should be better now. no I turned when the garmin told me. I knew it was wrong but I wanted to see what would happen. it was a straight run and it just popped up with the turn. I don't know if it was just voice or or visual directions that were off. then when I chose back to start the same path. I got two wrong turn indicators (again not sure if it was just voice. or both. then it crashed trying to recalculate.
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no I turned when the garmin told me.
That could have been a minor issue with the course. When you are creating a course, don't click at intersections.

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I knew it was wrong ...
Looking at the map, it should have been obvious that it was wrong.

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...but I wanted to see what would happen.


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...then it crashed trying to recalculate.
(I've seen that happen. It's not common though. Hopefully, there's a fix for that in the pipeline.)
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That could have been a minor issue with the course. When you are creating a course, don't click at intersections.
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This is excellent advice. It should be posted at the top of every course plotting site. Once I discovered this it took care of many annoying false turn suggestions.

Be like njkayaker - don't click on intersections!
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