Cygolite DualCross 300 200 Li-ion
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Cygolite DualCross 300 200 Li-ion
Does anyone here own the DualCross from Cygolite? If so have you been able to compare it to a halogen system?
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I have the dualcross 300, which I use as my primary headlight when commuting in the winter. I find it plenty bright for the rural roads that I ride where there are no streetlights. Not as bright as a motorcycle headlamp, but plenty bright. I also have a generator powered headlamp which is not nearly as bright, but I never have to worry about batteries.
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Originally Posted by sauerwald
I have the dualcross 300, which I use as my primary headlight when commuting in the winter. I find it plenty bright for the rural roads that I ride where there are no streetlights. Not as bright as a motorcycle headlamp, but plenty bright. I also have a generator powered headlamp which is not nearly as bright, but I never have to worry about batteries.
https://www.beyondbikes.com seems to have the lowest price out there.
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Originally Posted by Zero_Enigma
From all I've read and seen on this light online the light output seems to be the same be it li-ion or nimh. Just the battery, weight, and charger difference is all. Nice light but I'd wait tillit drops a bit more in price before buying it.
https://www.beyondbikes.com seems to have the lowest price out there.
https://www.beyondbikes.com seems to have the lowest price out there.
do you know how the service and quality of merchandise is at beyond bikes?
very close to pricepoint i found
a buck for two off...
i am from canada
any canadians order from em?
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Originally Posted by Grun
thanks zero yeah
do you know how the service and quality of merchandise is at beyond bikes?
very close to pricepoint i found
a buck for two off...
i am from canada
any canadians order from em?
do you know how the service and quality of merchandise is at beyond bikes?
very close to pricepoint i found
a buck for two off...
i am from canada
any canadians order from em?
I have heard of people using Preformance or Amazon and using Beyondbikes as a pricematch. I've bought stuff of Amazon before and they're good to deal with but that was just DVD's.
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Originally Posted by Zero_Enigma
Where in Canada are yah mate? I've never bought from them but almost. I'm looking to DIY right now as my mate has secured me 3 high power LED's. I admit the Dual Cross is still a unit I would like to own along with a Dinotte so I can have some commercial product in my collection. Just a read on https://www.mtbr.com on the Dual Cross turned up good comments on the light quality. Service wise I don't know as I've never bought from them.
I have heard of people using Preformance or Amazon and using Beyondbikes as a pricematch. I've bought stuff of Amazon before and they're good to deal with but that was just DVD's.
I have heard of people using Preformance or Amazon and using Beyondbikes as a pricematch. I've bought stuff of Amazon before and they're good to deal with but that was just DVD's.
the big city which is getting kinda famous now since the sars thing and we are getting so much like new york city
we have bay street they have wallstreet
and now we have trump moving in
I have a Fenix L2D CE which pumps out 135 lumens it is quite bright
i wasn't sure whether a stack of 2 or 2 L2D CE would be enough to over power one of the Cygolite DualCrosses.
If I added a DualCross Li-Ion, it would run me up $260
If I add 2X Fenix P3D CE, it would only run me up an additional $170
If the Fenix pair is brighter, I would go with that. Pumping out 320 lumens
20W halogens can pump out 200-600 lumens
but no one can substantiate that the Dualcross will pump out that much.
For about $260, I can make a triple stack of P3D CE (quite easily with velcro and zip ties), and it would be sure to pump out 480 lumens
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Originally Posted by Grun
yeah ontario
the big city which is getting kinda famous now since the sars thing and we are getting so much like new york city
we have bay street they have wallstreet
and now we have trump moving in
I have a Fenix L2D CE which pumps out 135 lumens it is quite bright
i wasn't sure whether a stack of 2 or 2 L2D CE would be enough to over power one of the Cygolite DualCrosses.
If I added a DualCross Li-Ion, it would run me up $260
If I add 2X Fenix P3D CE, it would only run me up an additional $170
If the Fenix pair is brighter, I would go with that. Pumping out 320 lumens
20W halogens can pump out 200-600 lumens
but no one can substantiate that the Dualcross will pump out that much.
For about $260, I can make a triple stack of P3D CE (quite easily with velcro and zip ties), and it would be sure to pump out 480 lumens
the big city which is getting kinda famous now since the sars thing and we are getting so much like new york city
we have bay street they have wallstreet
and now we have trump moving in
I have a Fenix L2D CE which pumps out 135 lumens it is quite bright
i wasn't sure whether a stack of 2 or 2 L2D CE would be enough to over power one of the Cygolite DualCrosses.
If I added a DualCross Li-Ion, it would run me up $260
If I add 2X Fenix P3D CE, it would only run me up an additional $170
If the Fenix pair is brighter, I would go with that. Pumping out 320 lumens
20W halogens can pump out 200-600 lumens
but no one can substantiate that the Dualcross will pump out that much.
For about $260, I can make a triple stack of P3D CE (quite easily with velcro and zip ties), and it would be sure to pump out 480 lumens
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brighter than a halogen, but less intense than HID, but price wise much better
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Originally Posted by kleng
brighter than a halogen, but less intense than HID, but price wise much better
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Originally Posted by Grun
how is the side spill?
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protects you from drunken or bluehaired cagers from oncoming traffic?
how's about from cagers on your right, creeping out of intersections? they see you good?
how's about from cagers on your right, creeping out of intersections? they see you good?
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Originally Posted by Grun
protects you from drunken or bluehaired cagers from oncoming traffic?
how's about from cagers on your right, creeping out of intersections? they see you good?
how's about from cagers on your right, creeping out of intersections? they see you good?
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Originally Posted by kleng
To put it simply everybody stops for you, with the dual cross on.
But it would be dangerous if they come from the sides and cannot see me if I don't have side spill (can see me from the sides).
That is better.
But I hear that halogen is better for side spill.
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Originally Posted by Grun
But I hear that halogen is better for side spill.
My cygo halo lamp is aging ungracefully enough that I am definitely interested in LED alternatives. But I guess I already have A for whatever future A-B comparison I might run. The cygo dealer in town here doesn't stock the dual cross (but he'd order it, I'm sure), I'll have to ask him why.
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Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg
It seems like that's a property of reflectors/optics rather than the light source per se. That's what the generator light people say, anyway. The best comparison would have to be side-by-side
My cygo halo lamp is aging ungracefully enough that I am definitely interested in LED alternatives. But I guess I already have A for whatever future A-B comparison I might run. The cygo dealer in town here doesn't stock the dual cross (but he'd order it, I'm sure), I'll have to ask him why.
My cygo halo lamp is aging ungracefully enough that I am definitely interested in LED alternatives. But I guess I already have A for whatever future A-B comparison I might run. The cygo dealer in town here doesn't stock the dual cross (but he'd order it, I'm sure), I'll have to ask him why.
For now I am tossed between a 32W dual halogen setup from NiteRider, and the DualCross from Cygolite Li-Ion. The 32W I am sure will outshine the DualCross, but by how much? And I like it more because it has more side spill. But even in the case of the 32W halogen, I would still have a helmet lamp to shine on drivers that are coming toward me, or from the sides. So I could go for the DualCross which has a really light battery and small too, and it lasts much longer even at full power. 3.0hours versus 1.3hours in the halogen.
Halogen: NiteRider Classic Plus (32 Watt Halogen)
Cygolite DualCross Li-Ion (High-Power LED)
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From looking at the designs of the halogen and the dual cross, I can't see how the side spill of the halogen would be anymore given the identical lens orientation. The niteriders battery would be much heavier and take longer to charge. I have both the dual cross battery types and use the Ni-mh for the MTB.
If you want greater side visibility, why don't you use a flasher (Knog Frog) pointed sideways.
If you want greater side visibility, why don't you use a flasher (Knog Frog) pointed sideways.
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Originally Posted by kleng
From looking at the designs of the halogen and the dual cross, I can't see how the side spill of the halogen would be anymore given the identical lens orientation. The niteriders battery would be much heavier and take longer to charge. I have both the dual cross battery types and use the Ni-mh for the MTB.
If you want greater side visibility, why don't you use a flasher (Knog Frog) pointed sideways.
If you want greater side visibility, why don't you use a flasher (Knog Frog) pointed sideways.
I will put my trust in you then, eh.
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So you really think I should get it, eh?
I will put my trust in you then, eh.
I will put my trust in you then, eh.
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Just mount a blinkie or other low cost "be seen" light on each of your seat stays or other appropriate place. IMO, that's better safety then any headlight's spillover.
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Originally Posted by kleng
I think you've already made up your mind, I'm totally happy with my dual cross, thats why I have 2.
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Originally Posted by Grun
two on one bike? or just two, one as a backup or on other bike?
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Originally Posted by kleng
I've got one on the road bike (li-ion) as its lighter and one on the wife's mountain bike (ni-mh). Sometimes I use the ni-mh when I need the extra battery endurance.
Do you think it is best to get the Li-Ion or the Ni-MH version?
Can the Li-Ion head, be used with the Ni-MH battery, or must it only be used with the Li-Ion battery?
Do you know if the charger for the Li-Ion battery can be used for the Ni-MH battery?