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Maxximum 07-02-08 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by Ziemas (Post 6625602)
Many of us have ridden for years without a DiNotte taillight and are some how still alive......

Bang on. +1 Here. I like the PB SuperFlashes. They are really sweet. I use two to three of them. Still extremely noticeable, and much cheaper than the Dinotte.

Cyclist0383 07-02-08 11:28 PM


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 6991645)
I misread about the phone & thank you for pointing it out. However, there are plenty of other distracting activities besides talking on the phone the drivers of such "cars" engage in because of their belief in their invulnerability on the road/total disregard for others. They use their peripheral vision a lot and any lighting that reminds them of any emergency vehicle make them slow down & pay attention to driving. This is the reason I have Fenix in the front & Dinotte in the rear. They are about at the same level of intensity to get the drivers' attention that I require. If I thought that Superflash/Cateye were enough for THE TYPE OF RIDING I AM DOING, then I would not get Fenix on my helmet but get something for $20-30 & save $40 just like getting a Cateye would save me $60 over Fenix. Actually I had a $30 blinkie strapped to my helmet before & it didn't work out. Hence, the Fenix which is good enough. Same with the Superflash for fast day time riding along a highway. So I got Dinotte. In my experience, it gets much more attention then my Superflash or your Cateye which we have plenty around here and I do care if their light is directed at me or not. They do not blind me at all. And during the day they are almost invisible. And of course, any of those light will can get attention of drivers. Only the chances of it & the reaction times of those drivers will be different. As far as you Cateye as effective as my Denotte and there is no evidence to the contrary, I guess the Sun is better then the Moon in getting attention but I do not have any evidence, only common sense.
As far as your "beef" with the people who wish to shine their lights on the drivers... Do you have them in your town? I hate to say that buy I barely see them here in NYC which is full of people getting "latest & greatest" whether they need it or not. As the matter of fact, I've been never blinded by one even though I ride about 150 miles a week all over town. I wish it was my "beef". I.E. quoting the best comic ever who died here last week: "I do not have minor peeves, I have major f....ing hatreds".

One more time; my issue was with posters here wishing to blind drivers in order for them to 'back off'. There is a segment of the bike commuting community that is both paranoid and plain rude to others under the guise of their personal safety. They seem to think that cars are the enemy and are out to get them, so it's war, and their super bright lights shining in the eyes of drivers are their weapons. Simply nuts.

Here's an example.

Originally Posted by Zero_Enigma (Post 5069711)
Yup that's what I do with my PB Superflash till I have the coin for the Dinotte. If I strike it rich I'm getting a couple rear Dinottes and aiming it back and mid-head level (meaning SUV/Car level) so it hits both of them square in the face to back off...


varuscelli 07-03-08 01:55 AM


Originally Posted by 10 Wheels (Post 6985348)
Dinotte on 90 mile ride. This one mounted on a GreenSpeed Trike. that sits 9 inches above the road surface.

Cool shots, 10 Wheels.

I think I see Highway 3 in one of the signs, so you must be riding somewhere near where we live... ;)

That first shot looks like you're heading west on FM 517 in Dickinson and approaching the intersection of FM 517 and Hwy 3. If so, that's about six or seven miles from where I live.

Metaluna 07-03-08 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by Ziemas (Post 6991295)
There have been lots of reports of Energizer batteries loosing their charge after a matter of days. I have a set, and I thought it was my light that had the problem, but after switching out to different rechargeables and testing the Energizers I came to the conclusion that the Energizers were the culprit.

When I was having problems with my TL1000, I was just using plain alkalines of one brand or another, but that was a couple of years ago. Maybe I'll give it another try. I've lately switched over to the low-self-discharge NiMH cells (e.g. Sanyo eneloop, Rayovac Hybrid, Kodak Pre-charged), and these seem to be a tighter fit in the devices on which I use them (mainly my GPS). So maybe they will work better in the TL1000/1100 battery compartment.

tdister 07-03-08 08:28 AM

On the topic of the TL-1100: The light is nice and bright, if somewhat sensitive to aim. However, if you primarily use the belt clip I would look for something else. It is very secure when it slides into the seat post mount, but the belt clip system (to clip to my trunk bag) has come apart a couple times when going over rough terrain. The clip itself stays attached to the bag very well, but the light separates form the clip too easily.

I highly recommend seat post mounting if possible anyway. Being heavier than most lights, it tends to pull down on canvas more so that it aims slightly down, instead of straight back, losing much of it's intensity. Still brighter than many lights, even aimed down a bit, just FYI.

znomit 07-03-08 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by tdister (Post 6993146)
On the topic of the TL-1100: The light is nice and bright, if somewhat sensitive to aim. ...

I put glad press'n'seal over one row of LEDs. Significant improvement to the beam, see here.
And yeah, mine had fallen off using the belt clip.

BBnet3000 07-03-08 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by supcom (Post 6624723)
The Planet Bike SuperFlash is extremely bright. I don't know how it compares to a Dinotte, but at ~$20 each, you could buy three of them for less than half the Dinotte price.

Here's a real simple alternative. Buy a high power LED flashlight from someone like dealextreme.com. Get one that uses a 18650 Rechargeable battery and you'll get about 3 hours runtime on one battery. Purchase some red auto taillight repair tape (transparent) from an auto parts store. Cut out a circle to match the flashlight lens and stick it on. Mount the flashlight to your seatpost pointing back and blind approaching drivers.

the thing to do would be to get a flashlight with a RED LED

white LED flashlights do not have much red in the light, so when you put a red tape over the lens it will be EXTREMELY dim

this has probably been mentioned already in the thread, havent read the whole thing yet

10 Wheels 07-03-08 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by BBnet3000 (Post 6996122)
the thing to do would be to get a flashlight with a RED LED

white LED flashlights do not have much red in the light, so when you put a red tape over the lens it will be EXTREMELY dim

this has probably been mentioned already in the thread, havent read the whole thing yet

I tries the Red tape on a $3 DX light. It is very Dim.

tdister 07-03-08 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by znomit (Post 6995751)
I put glad press'n'seal over one row of LEDs. Significant improvement to the beam, see here.
And yeah, mine had fallen off using the belt clip.


Ah, thanks for the tip. Just tried it and it does indeed add a noticeabley wider beam. Still plenty bright in the center too.

ClydesterD 07-04-08 10:48 AM

Geez, what a cantankerous thread. It's like a discussion between Michigan and Ohio State football fans, but not as cordial.

This issue isn't that hard. The Dinotte is the best and brightest commercially available taillight, and it's also the most expensive. If (like me) you're concerned enough about getting rear-ended and can afford the Dinotte without much sacrifice, then get it. They last forever and your peace of mind will last far longer than the sticker shock. If you're not concerned about getting rear-ended then you won't be able to justify the cost of the Dinotte whatever your financial situation, so buy a Cateye or Superflash and be happy with it. They're not as bright as the Dinotte but I used a Cateye TL-1100 for a year before I bought a Dinotte and lived to tell about it. It's a trade-off---money versus security---and everyone will come down differently on it. I love the Dinotte and any trepidation I had about spending that much money on a taillight went away the first time I used it---but I've always been a bit paranoid about getting rammed from behind, so I value security more than money in this case.

As far as the "blinding" issue: When I ride downtown in traffic day or night, my Dinotte is on high steady because there's a lot of competition for a driver's attention. When I ride dark rural roads it's on low steady or low slow blink because there's no competition for the light, and only a dead driver won't see it WAY ahead of passing me. In that situation a Cateye or Superflash (or a lesser blinky, for that matter) would work just as well as a Dinotte, and do it much less expensively. I also point my Dinotte down a little to cast a wide red glow on the pavement behind me. On a dark rural road the downward angle reduces the potential for blinding, and the wide red swath behind me is quite visible to traffic behind me. In downtown daytime traffic, the downward angle may lessen the light's effectiveness a bit, but that doesn't bother me because I don't think I really need a taillight anyway, and use it only because I've got plenty of juice left from my morning ride.

So the answer to "which taillight" depends on the person and the situation, and no single answer fits all situations. Life's full of trade-offs, and this is one of them.

ClydesterD 07-04-08 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 7000098)
+1 Much better than I could have ever said. Now be prepared for these types of responses:

"Also, there is no evidence that only a DiNotte light will get the attention of drivers. My Cateye seems to do the job just fine." from people who not only have never used it but also never seen it in action. The thread is cantankerous indeed & it's totally my fault, but sometimes it's fun to "argue" with such people. A guilty pleasure, you know what I mean?

Thanks. As a Michigan fan, I meant cantankerous is a good way. It was fun to read, and I learned a little about Latvia.

The folks who say "there is no evidence that only a DiNotte light will get the attention of drivers. My Cateye seems to do the job just fine" won't want to spend the money on a Dinotte. That's okay with me. I'm less nervous with the Dinotte on an early morning commute or a late night fun ride, and the additional cost of the Dinotte is worth the additional peace of mind. When I first got the Dinotte I put it on one bike and my Cateye TL-1100 on another, set them side-by-side in my driveway at night with both on, and forgot right away about the higher cost of the Dinotte. It blew the Cateye away, so for me, the extra cost is money well spent.

Someone said earlier that if the Dinotte prevents just one collision---just one!---compared to a lesser light over the course of the light's life, then it's worth every penny. I think it just might do that, although I'll probably never be able to prove it. Those who think otherwise are free to spend less money on less light, and I promise I won't think less of them because of that.

Cyclist0383 07-04-08 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 7000098)
+1 Much better than I could have ever said. Now be prepared for these types of responses:

"Also, there is no evidence that only a DiNotte light will get the attention of drivers. My Cateye seems to do the job just fine." from people who not only have never used it but also never seen it in action. The thread is cantankerous indeed & it's totally my fault, but sometimes it's fun to "argue" with such people. A guilty pleasure, you know what I mean?

You seem to infer that anyone not using a DiNotte light is in imminent danger of being rear ended. That is totally disingenuous. By your logic most of us who have been commuting for many years should be dead. The fact that we aren't speaks a lot more than your paranoia about needing the brightest light possible.

BarracksSi 07-04-08 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by Ziemas (Post 7000391)
You seem to infer that anyone not using a DiNotte light is in imminent danger of being rear ended. That is totally disingenuous. By your logic most of us who have been commuting for many years should be dead. The fact that we aren't speaks a lot more than your paranoia about needing the brightest light possible.

-1

Cyclist0383 07-04-08 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by BarracksSi (Post 7000397)
-1

Wow, that was insightful. :rolleyes:

rfomenko 07-04-08 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by ClydesterD (Post 7000212)
Thanks. As a Michigan fan, I meant cantankerous is a good way. It was fun to read, and I learned a little about Latvia.

The folks who say "there is no evidence that only a DiNotte light will get the attention of drivers. My Cateye seems to do the job just fine" won't want to spend the money on a Dinotte. That's okay with me. I'm less nervous with the Dinotte on an early morning commute or a late night fun ride, and the additional cost of the Dinotte is worth the additional peace of mind. When I first got the Dinotte I put it on one bike and my Cateye TL-1100 on another, set them side-by-side in my driveway at night with both on, and forgot right away about the higher cost of the Dinotte. It blew the Cateye away, so for me, the extra cost is money well spent.

Someone said earlier that if the Dinotte prevents just one collision---just one!---compared to a lesser light over the course of the light's life, then it's worth every penny. I think it just might do that, although I'll probably never be able to prove it. Those who think otherwise are free to spend less money on less light, and I promise I won't think less of them because of that.

+1 :thumb: This is exactly my sentiment. Actually, the main reason I got Dinotte as the rear light is that it's the only one that mimics the emergency service vehicles. And we know very well that there are lots of drivers there that instead of paying attention to the road are actually "multitasking" & only start to "behave" in the presence of law enforcement. I mean, it's pleasure to see (in my rear mirror) the disappointment on their faces when they realize that it's "only"a bicycle. Better them to be disappointed than for me to be hurt. On the other hand, lots of people do not need such a light. People who ride a bike path or in slow moving traffic can use a good blinky like SuperFlash or TD-1100 to the same effect :)

Cyclist0383 07-04-08 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 7001382)
What? You do not like to be called a mindless troll? To bad pal, that's what you are :)

Way to go! Pointless personal attacks against someone who disagrees with you always make for a better forum! :beer:

Next are you going to wish for me to get hit by a car like BarracksSi did because I disagree with him about taillights?

EDIT: I wrote the above before I read the below. Nice! Wishing for the death of those of disagree with you is always a sign of a rational and well adjusted person.....


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 7001138)
My father who just turned sixty always had a bike but never rode with any lights & never wore a helmet. Do I worry about him? No, it's fine for the type of riding he does. Yesterday I rode in the Central Park here in NYC with no lights whatsoever. So am I paranoid? Not really. Regarding "By your logic most of us who have been commuting for many years should be dead.", I do not remember ever saying anything similar to that. However in your particular case it would not make any difference to me one way or the other :)


tdister 07-05-08 12:14 AM

Jeez guys, I thought maybe it would be given a rest. Unsubscribed.

Cyclist0383 07-05-08 12:25 AM


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 7002539)
The next is for me to know & for you to find out. I do not wish for your or anyone else's death. Truth to be told, I do not even have enemies. If you indeed kick the bucket, I wake up tomorrow & there is a new topic called "RIP Ziemas", I'll post something like "Hm... and I just read his post yesterday & responded in such a sarcastic & condescending way. Too bad, too bad..." :cry: And that's about it.

Why would you even mention my death? Why would it even enter your mind?

Cyclist0383 07-05-08 01:03 AM


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 7002607)
Because I am such an irrational & ill-adjusted person. Seriously though, wasn't it you who posted "By your logic most of us who have been commuting for many years should be dead." I am at loss about how you came to this interesting conclusion based on my previous posts. But anyways, if the person wants to talk about his death, I've no problem with that. That's how it "entered my mind". Now it's there, the time has come to describe it. Do not worry, your death will have nothing to do with the rear bike lights. You'll live a long a fruitful life until you irritate someone into killing you for your hard-headed pedantry & utter absence of the sense of humor. The killer will be a Russian because they're all eeeevil. :p

Where do you come up with this utter BS? It totally offensive. Keep your racist prejudices to yourself, and certainly don't try and project them onto me.

Look at most of your posts, they mention how one could be rear-ended and only a DiNotte could prevent this. You are the only who came up with horror stories of being rear ended, even posting a totally irrelevant news article to back up your assertions.

Cyclist0383 07-05-08 01:36 AM


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 6986397)
And do you read the article fully?

1. "The incident happened at 9:55 a.m. when Howard was stopped in the bike lane headed east on Overland Road at the Eagle Road intersection waiting for the red light to change, according to eyewitness accounts and the police investigation."

2. "Witnesses told police they did not see Janzen talking on a cell phone prior to the accident, Stoy said."

Translation: 1. Her velocity was zero in BROAD DAYLIGHT. 2. The driver likely was on the cell phone.

Now a quote from my previous post on June 30:


"I bought Dinotte to be used as a day running light where the SuperFlash is pretty much useless. And as such, Dinotte really "shines". The cars give me much more room than before which means less probability for accidents. And if it only saves my butt ONCE from being rammed from behind, it'll be $100 VERY well spent"

and this one about the Fenex:

"Yes, they are great light indeed. Mine is directed toward wherever I look. Usually towards those pesky cars pulling out of the driveways or the drivers with CELLPHONES & especially women doing both while applying their makeup."

I can't count how many times I "woke up" the drivers from the on-coming traffic that were talking on the phone or applying makeup or just not paying attention & unwittingly trying to run me off the road. And it's a fact that my Dinotte tail light does the same job protecting my rear.

The epilogue: I agree like the majority of people that you do not need this light for the type of riding you do. I do not use mine for that type of riding either. And if you do not understand that Dinotte is a serious light for serious people doing a lot of highway riding in the daylight in particular (just like the people on the photos above), then I am sorry. On the other hand since you never used one, your opinion on it is pretty much useless. End of story.


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 7002651)
Where do you come up with this utter BS? A: at home
It totally offensive. A: Sorry for that. Nope, not really.
Keep your racist prejudices to yourself, and certainly don't try and project them onto me. A: since we are of the same race, how can it be racist?
And what stories have I come up with beside the one that was posted here on the forum & I found it purely by chance? It's not a horror story btw, just another cyclist's down newsflash.

You know damn well how it is racist. Talk about trolling. I have no doubt that you aren't sorry for it; you just wish to aufzuluchis.

Cyclist0383 07-05-08 01:55 AM


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 7002680)
No I don't, stupid perhaps but not racist. You're right about trolling & how it can to aufzuluchis. But that's the point trolling to annoy, isn't it? As of the quote of my post, did you read the last paragraph called "The epilogue"? Is it so difficult to see the point? That no light can guarantee you from being rammed from behind, they only reduce the odds. And the best in reducing the odds that currently available is Dinotte.

Trying to brand me as someone who thinks all Russians are evil isn't racist? It sure is.

(BTW, there is no other term in English that fits besides racist, so don't try and split hairs on the definition of racist.)

Cyclist0383 07-05-08 02:20 AM


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 7002701)
How can anyone brand you anything on something you have never expressed an opinion on? That would be just "hearsay". There is no other term in English YOU KNOW that fits besides racist. What about "xenophobe" or "bigot"?

You have clearly showed how someone can try and smear another with allegations of racism. You just simply assumed that I was a Latvian who hates Russians. In fact I don't know many Latvians who hate Russians, but you can keep on believing that tired old Soviet stereotype if you wish.

I'm a native English speaker; racist fits perfectly.

Cyclist0383 07-05-08 03:03 AM


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 7002733)
No, I simply assumed that you are a self-centered prick with no sense of humor & decided to play a devil's advocate with you (being a troll in other words). You assumed that I was Russian (did I tell you I was not?) who somehow cares about the Latvians hating the Russians, hates them back & wants to smear one of them (you). As of of the "old Soviet stereotype", it only exists in the minds of some Latvians you're living among. Makes them feel important, I guess. In other parts of the Soviet empire most of the people never knew that Latvians existed let alone could tell the difference between them & say Lithuanians. But thank you for taking my "effort" seriously. As of "racist fits perfectly" because you're a native English speaker, let me inform you humbly that this city is crawling with "native speakers" that cannot speak anything. Why should I make exception for you? From now on I say "NO" to racism.
By the way, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups.
So where does your "racist" fit in?

Wow, more personal attacks. Way to go! Thanks for bringing the forums down even further with your senseless hate.

Sorry, your name seems more Ukrainian Jewish, my bad.

Once again if you want to discuss politics (without the personal attacks) then lets head on over to the P&R section. Keep it about bikes here, okay?

znomit 07-05-08 03:03 AM

You guys need to get out for a ride.
:crash: + :commute: = :)

Cyclist0383 07-05-08 03:33 AM


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 7002733)
Once again, why would I assume that you were a Latvian who hates Russians? You did not do anything for it to be an educated guess. No, I justifiably assumed that you are a self-centered prick with no sense of humor & decided to play a game with no rules with you (being a troll in other words). You assumed that I was Russian (did I tell you I was not?) who somehow cares about the Latvians hating the Russians, hates them back & wants to smear one of them (you). As of of the "old Soviet stereotype", it only exists in the minds of some Latvians you're living among. Makes them feel important, I guess. In other parts of the Soviet empire most of the people never knew that Latvians existed let alone could tell the difference between them & say Lithuanians. But thank you for taking my "effort" seriously. As of "racist fits perfectly" because you're a native English speaker, let me inform you humbly that this city is crawling with "native speakers" that cannot speak anything. Why should I make an exception for you? From now on I say "NO" to racism :)
By the way, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups.
So where does your "racist" fit in?



Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 6991645)
I misread about the phone & thank you for pointing it out. However, there are plenty of other distracting activities besides talking on the phone the drivers of such "cars" engage in because of their belief in their invulnerability on the road/total disregard for others. They use their peripheral vision a lot and any lighting that reminds them of any emergency vehicle make them slow down & pay attention to driving. This is the reason I have Fenix in the front & Dinotte in the rear. They are about at the same level of intensity to get the drivers' attention that I require. If I thought that Superflash/Cateye were enough for THE TYPE OF RIDING I AM DOING, then I would not get Fenix on my helmet but get something for $20-30 & save $40 just like getting a Cateye would save me $60 over Fenix. Actually I had a $30 blinkie strapped to my helmet before & it didn't work out. Hence, the Fenix which is good enough. Same with the Superflash for fast day time riding along a highway. So I got Dinotte. In my experience, it gets much more attention then my Superflash or your Cateye which we have plenty around here and I do care if their light is directed at me or not. They do not blind me at all. And during the day they are almost invisible. And of course, any of those light will can get attention of drivers. Only the chances of it & the reaction times of those drivers will be different. As far as you Cateye as effective as my Denotte and there is no evidence to the contrary, I guess the Sun is better then the Moon in getting attention but I do not have any evidence, only common sense.
As far as your "beef" with the people who wish to shine their lights on the drivers... Do you have them in your town? I hate to say that buy I barely see them here in NYC which is full of people getting "latest & greatest" whether they need it or not. As the matter of fact, I've been never blinded by one even though I ride about 150 miles a week all over town. I wish it was my "beef". I.E. quoting the best comic ever who died here last week: "I do not have minor peeves, I have major f....ing hatreds".


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 7002607)
Because I am such an irrational & ill-adjusted person. Seriously though, wasn't it you who posted "By your logic most of us who have been commuting for many years should be dead." I am at loss about how you came to this interesting conclusion based on my previous posts. But anyways, if the person wants to talk about his death, I've no problem with that. That's how it "entered my mind". Now it's there, the time has come to describe it. Do not worry, your death will have nothing to do with the rear bike lights. You'll live a long a fruitful life until you irritate someone into killing you for your hard-headed pedantry & utter absence of the sense of humor. The killer will be a Russian because they're all eeeevil. :p


Originally Posted by rfomenko (Post 7002761)
Hate? It's such a strong word. Why would I hate you? Just can't come up with even one sound reason. I actually like you. I like people who disagree with me. My last name is Ukrainian (while I am not) , not Ukrainian Jewish. Let's not disagree on that 'cause if we do, I'll charge you with antisemitism even though I am not a Jew :) As of discussing bikes here, this particular thread exhausted itself long ago & the moderator (where are you?) should have moved it to P&R long ago.

No, there is nothing hateful in the above. Nothing at all. :rolleyes:


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