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jeff-o 07-06-05 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by vrkelley
Sounds like gem-sorting. Are those quality issues then? If so, as a shopper, how can you know what you're actually getting?

When you go to buy Luxeons (though FutureActive, the only approved vendor AFAIK), the LEDs will already be sorted. Simply fill in the quantity you want of a certain part number, and all of those LEDs SHOULD be the same colour.

bkrownd 07-06-05 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by vrkelley
Sounds like gem-sorting. Are those quality issues then? If so, as a shopper, how can you know what you're actually getting?

You download the datasheet from Lumileds that has the binning chart, and then choose the bin codes that are acceptable to you. You can buy them all over the place, and at many online places that sell other LEDs, but you don't want to buy Luxeons without knowing the bin code.

Semper Fi 07-06-05 09:03 PM

The battery is about 9 lbs. For me personally, that's not a lot. I probably is to some. I think that with LEDs you will get by with less battery wt but then mounting and heat sinking will be more. Hopefully I can take some pics soon and post them. I went for a ride tonight, and my wife said that I looked like a motorcycle from over 1/4 mile away.

jur 07-06-05 09:42 PM

The heatsinking of the Luxeons on a bike is less of an issue; the wind cools it good, I have not ever been able to feel my 3W led warm up even.

vrkelley 07-11-05 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by Semper Fi
The battery is about 9 lbs. For me personally, that's not a lot. I probably is to some. I think that with LEDs you will get by with less battery wt but then mounting and heat sinking will be more. Hopefully I can take some pics soon and post them. I went for a ride tonight, and my wife said that I looked like a motorcycle from over 1/4 mile away.

9lbs! Gads be careful on windy days and on steep hills.

Ritz 07-11-05 08:12 PM

Gee, I was complaining about my SLA battery weighing four pounds!

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Sead0nkey 07-13-05 02:25 PM

@ vrkelley (or anyone using a dewalt charger)

This is a cool little link that shows how to mod a dewalt charger to be used with almost any battery pack.
Charger mod .

Becca 07-14-05 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by jeff-o
The Luxeon datasheets recommend at LEAST 1 square inch per watt, which would be at least 5 square inches for a 5W Luxeon. This is assuming the Luxeon is properly connected to the heatsink with thermal paste or whatever you decide to use. However, for more reliable operation I'd recommend more than 5 square inches, just to be safe.

Okay, how about this tailpiece? Then I used thermal cement to attach three turns of 3/16" copper tubing to the Luxeon's metal substrate. The tubing then interfaces to the tailpiece to dump the heat. I got a lens designed for a Luxeon, plus a version of a buck puck. I took pictures before I assembled the light; I'll post them soon. Oh, to seal up the end I have a PVC cap that fitted. Drill a hole for the electrical wires, put some silicone sealant on it, and the light is done!

jeff-o 07-15-05 05:22 AM

Yup, that tailpiece should be enough to sink pretty much any luxeon you put in there. Just be sure not to rely completely on thermal cement to conduct the heat away, it's mostly there to fill in the tiny gaps between two metals. It's always best to make sure that the Luxeon sits as closely and as flush to the heatsink as possible.

Also note that the metal substrate on the Luxeon must be electrically isolated from both the negative and positive power connections.

BTW, how will you attach the tailpipe to your bike? Is 0.22 lbs a little hefty for a headlight body?

Becca 07-15-05 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by jeff-o
Yup, that tailpiece should be enough to sink pretty much any luxeon you put in there. Just be sure not to rely completely on thermal cement to conduct the heat away, it's mostly there to fill in the tiny gaps between two metals. It's always best to make sure that the Luxeon sits as closely and as flush to the heatsink as possible.

Also note that the metal substrate on the Luxeon must be electrically isolated from both the negative and positive power connections.

BTW, how will you attach the tailpipe to your bike? Is 0.22 lbs a little hefty for a headlight body?

How do I isolate the substrate? I don't have any wires soldered to it. Is it connected electrically to either pole? I haven't seen any of the documentation that says much about that.

I'm using two clamps similar to this to attach. They'll be looped through each other, one attached to the tailpiece aka headlight and the other to the handlebar.

jeff-o 07-18-05 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by Becca
I'm using two clamps similar to this to attach. They'll be looped through each other, one attached to the tailpiece aka headlight and the other to the handlebar.

No, don't use those. They won't hold anything in place very well, and they will scratch your paint. Go to www.mcmaster.com and seach for "P clamp". You will find a wide assortment of cushioned clamps that will hold on much more tightly, and won't damage your bike's finish. They'll look more professional, too.


As for isolation of the substrate (actually just called a Slug), just make sure that it isn't connected to the +ve or -ve poles on the LED in any way. It's best to use an electrically isolating thermal pad (like what you'd put between a big transistor and a heatsink), but if you just connect it to the heatsink directly it should be ok...

Sead0nkey 07-23-05 08:01 PM

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Here are a few pictures I have from my completed DIY headlight. The hardest part of the job for me was finding a clean mounting system for the light that had a quick release. The second picture (bottom of light show) shows the method used. The only thing I would change in moving to an overall smaller package. Well its all done and I wanted to say thanks to everyone here. This thread helped me out a ton.

DCCommuter 07-23-05 09:00 PM

Wow, that's geeky. And I mean that as a compliment. Can you tell us a little bit about what the pieces are and how you put them together? I'm particularly interested in the quick release.

vrkelley 07-30-05 09:46 PM

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OK you guys... [slightly off topic] I bought one of these
128MB MP3 Player/Digital FM/PEN Drive/Voice Recorder
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=5785679562

I recorded a truck honking [Mp3] but I could not find a 3X2 small waterproof speaker to do the job. Any hints on how to get a small waterproof speaker that'll "do the job?"

Ritz 07-31-05 06:31 AM

Radio Shack sells, or at least they used to, a pair of water proof AMPLIFIED speakers. Perfect! Peace, Ritz.


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vrkelley 07-31-05 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by Sead0nkey
@ vrkelley (or anyone using a dewalt charger)
This is a cool little link that shows how to mod a dewalt charger to be used with almost any battery pack.
Charger mod .

No I just use the FireStorm recharger. Cool idea! Awesome setup for your light. Is that bag waterproof?

Jeff-O that's an awesome setup on the 2 headlights on the forks. Couldn't find your orginal post with link to pictures...What sort of clamps did you use for that?

John Ridley 08-02-05 08:18 PM

Took the plunge - ordered a Trail-Tech HID light (chassis mount version, not helmet mount; I'm a commuter not a trail rider) and NiMH bottle battery from batteryspace.com yesterday. Also I ordered a 56-LED truck brake light from superbrightleds.com

I have a Planet Bike 1W Luxeon Super Spot, a 1W luxeon flashlight, a Cateye 3-LED head lamp and a 20W halogen light; when I get them all together I'll see about posting comparison photos. They're coming ground so they won't be here until next week. This should be enough time for me to do all my DIY before I SERIOUSLY need lighting (I have been in the dark in the morning, but dawn is cracking by the time I get to the busier streets).

I'm thinking I'm going to set up the truck light to run in "tail light" mode constantly, and use the high power 'brake" light in a strobed configuration (driving it with a 555 or microcontroller, depending on if I want fancy flash patterns).

jeff-o 08-03-05 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by vrkelley
No I just use the FireStorm recharger. Cool idea! Awesome setup for your light. Is that bag waterproof?

Jeff-O that's an awesome setup on the 2 headlights on the forks. Couldn't find your orginal post with link to pictures...What sort of clamps did you use for that?

Here you go!

I used P-clamps to hold the flashlights, I bought them from www.mcmaster.com They have both bare metal and cushioned versions (say, if you want to clamp the lights to your handle bars instead). Just search for P-clamp.

At first I used a piece of aluminum plate for the bracket, but it has since broken (metal fatigue) so I replaced it with a steel L-bracket from a hardware store. Usually you find these in the cabinetry/shelving section. It was a beast to drill the holes in it that I needed, I had to buy a cobalt drill bit especially for this application...

vrkelley 08-03-05 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by Multibiker
I bought some 350 ma. and 1000 ma. Buck Pucks

Multibiker...where did you get that buck puck?
The spouse is rolling his eyes, I came home with supplies to start work on a 12V lighting system that'll replace the back blinky, and do more side vis. The Rope light idea would have been cool but 10' of that stuff made the Wattage too high. There's no amperage on these 12V drill batteries...


Originally Posted by jeff-o
go!
I used P-clamps to hold the flashlights,

Jeff-O the P clamps work great, no slippage for my front headlight. Next time I'll use those cushioned ones instead of making the cushion from padded electrical tape. What's the make and voltage on that battery?

jeff-o 08-04-05 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by vrkelley
Jeff-O the P clamps work great, no slippage for my front headlight. Next time I'll use those cushioned ones instead of making the cushion from padded electrical tape. What's the make and voltage on that battery?

The battery is branded with the name "esq" but I've seen it sold under other names as well. It's a rectangular silver brick about the size of two decks of cards set side-by-side. The voltage is 9V, and the current is 5400mAh.

Multibiker 08-04-05 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by vrkelley
Multibiker...where did you get that buck puck?

I got them from LED Supply http://www.ledsupply.com/led-drivers-buckpuck.html. Good service.

Becca 08-18-05 05:53 PM

Okay, as promised: here is a couple of photos of my new light setup using a Luxeon V star emitter:

Parts is parts: these parts are from my light!

The above image shows (on top, l-r) the tailpiece screw-on connector, the tailpiece itself, and a PVC endcap. Below it is the Luxeon star installed in a lens with the heatsink in place and the buckpuck attached. All this will be inside the tailpiece. The switch for the light will be on a small box attached to the handlebar.

I have turned this on for just a few seconds to see how it will work. It seems to be MUCH brighter than my 6v NiteHawk light!

John Ridley 08-18-05 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by John Ridley
Took the plunge - ordered a Trail-Tech HID light
...
I have a Planet Bike 1W Luxeon Super Spot, a 1W luxeon flashlight, a Cateye 3-LED head lamp and a 20W halogen light; when I get them all together I'll see about posting comparison photos.

OK, I got everything together. You can check out my photos of the setup here:
2005 light setup photos
Drill in one more album to see comparisons of the various lights. It's interesting to note the true color of the grass in the photos with the HID.

A little discussion on my site here.

The HID from batteryspace.com cost $105 (you get a 5% discount code for your next purchase whenever you buy from them), the 4500 mAH NiMH bottle battery was about $60. I went with NiMH instead of LiIon because of better cold weather performance.

The rear flasher is the venerable amber xenon from all electronics that's been mentioned here so many times.

vrkelley 08-19-05 01:26 PM

John that is such a cool setup. The bike does not look overloaded with equipment at all!

Ritz 08-19-05 03:24 PM

Yep, It's pretty nifty!

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