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Old 10-03-08, 05:35 PM
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Want a weapon against dogs on my bike

Any of you high-tech geniuses that could come up with an idea that i could use to point on a attacking dog that comes running up my side?

Some kind of spray is a bad idea i have figured out.
But something electrical mechanism or anything else would be good. Think you have to be creative and figure out something brand new to find the solutions..

Shotgun works fine, but its to heavy and large plus illegal some places.

I have no idea.
 
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I did this when I had a paper route.
Take 12 or so Strike Anywhere Kitchen Matches. Put a rubber band around them. Keep to or three bundles under your seat.
Strike and throw at the dog when he is very near.
A hit on his nose will end his chasing career.
It worked on a Large Fast German Shepard that tried to bite me.
He got it right on the nose.
Never saw the dog again.
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Cop strength pepper spray, FTW.

It works great on dogs, and could be used against a two-legged varmint too. Just make sure you get the "stream" and not "fog" dispenser pattern, to avoid problems with blowback.
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Fill a water bottle with ammonia...just don't accidently drink out of it! Then hose offending dog's face.

Or, buy a sturdy aluminum frame pump and use it as a billy club to the snout.
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Here we go again.
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Originally Posted by LitePacking View Post
Any of you high-tech geniuses that could come up with an idea that i could use to point on a attacking dog that comes running up my side?

Some kind of spray is a bad idea i have figured out.
But something electrical mechanism or anything else would be good. Think you have to be creative and figure out something brand new to find the solutions..

Shotgun works fine, but its to heavy and large plus illegal some places.

I have no idea.
A loud voice and some knowledge of dog psychology is the best weapon you have.

Think of it this way: Dogs have been hanging around people for 10,000+ years. They look at us as their pack. We humans also know how yummy we can be to predators and have taken steps to make sure that the predators we have in our homes don't eat us. In other words, a dog that will kill, or even injure, a human doesn't usually get much chance to pass on its traits to offspring. In other words, we kill them before they kill us. We've selected them so that they are cowardly.

Use that to your advantage. As a dog charges, stop your bike and yell 'NO!' or 'GET LOST' or 'F*** OFF' or just about anything...just make it loud. Most dogs will stop and think about it and give up. Plus you are stopped and no longer something worth chasing. For the few that might not stop and keep coming, whacking them with a wheel in the nose will send them packing
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Well, you could try to take the time to psychoanalyze the beast and hope he likes your couch or you could toss that bundle of lit matches wrapped around an M-80.

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you could probably build some sort of lightweight projectile weapon with a co2 cartrige
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Always ride with someone else who is slower than you. Or strap that Ceaser guy from the Dog Whisperer show to your rear rack and have him shoosh them away.
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Originally Posted by chainstrainer View Post
Well, you could try to take the time to psychoanalyze the beast and hope he likes your couch or you could toss that bundle of lit matches wrapped around an M-80.
Tossing a bundle of ignited matches around some parts of the country could end you up in a world of trouble. Try explaining why you were throwing fire brands at a dog to the hundred people whose houses you've burned down.

I didn't say you had to psychoanalyze the dog, just understand how to use millennia of conditioning and breeding on them. They are cowards. They were cowards before they decided that we were a meal ticket. They understand that we are a meal ticket and will do whatever is necessary to keep riding the gravy train. Use it against them.
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Originally Posted by freako View Post
Fill a water bottle with ammonia...just don't accidently drink out of it! Then hose offending dog's face.
+1. Ammonia works really well. You don't even need to spray the dog.

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I didn't say you had to psychoanalyze the dog, just understand how to use millennia of conditioning and breeding on them. They are cowards. They were cowards before they decided that we were a meal ticket. They understand that we are a meal ticket and will do whatever is necessary to keep riding the gravy train. Use it against them.
I usually turn my bike around, point it right at them, and chase them instead . The hunter becomes the hunted !
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
A loud voice and some knowledge of dog psychology is the best weapon you have.

Think of it this way: Dogs have been hanging around people for 10,000+ years. They look at us as their pack. We humans also know how yummy we can be to predators and have taken steps to make sure that the predators we have in our homes don't eat us. In other words, a dog that will kill, or even injure, a human doesn't usually get much chance to pass on its traits to offspring. In other words, we kill them before they kill us. We've selected them so that they are cowardly.

Use that to your advantage. As a dog charges, stop your bike and yell 'NO!' or 'GET LOST' or 'F*** OFF' or just about anything...just make it loud. Most dogs will stop and think about it and give up. Plus you are stopped and no longer something worth chasing. For the few that might not stop and keep coming, whacking them with a wheel in the nose will send them packing
That's an effective technique for 95% of singleton dog encounters.

But, for encounters with multiple dogs, or highly agressive single dogs, pepper spray is your friend. I've used it on dogs about 6 times over the last 10 years, and it's worked perfectly every time.
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dang dogs

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That's an effective technique for 95% of singleton dog encounters.

But, for encounters with multiple dogs, or highly agressive single dogs, pepper spray is your friend. I've used it on dogs about 6 times over the last 10 years, and it's worked perfectly every time.
I have to agree here.........some dogs are very aggressive and territorial. I've had to resort to going on the offensive with one dog and it didn't back down. I had to raise my pump over my head before it went away and still it was looking for me to turn my back. I'm getting some spray and as a last resort I would consider a firearm. A pack of aggressive dogs would be very dangerous. In my area, there were reports years ago, of wild dog packs killing livestock. When out of their domestic situations, dogs revert to the same behaviors as wolves and coyotes. I have some of the same concerns about riding in remote rural areas when it comes to mountain lions, as far as having a method of self defense available.
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+1. Ammonia works really well. You don't even need to spray the dog.
I wouldn't use ammonia - rather toxic. Vinegar also works. We used to have a really nasty cat that would come over to our house and wait for our cat to come outdoors so as to pick a fight. We would squirt it in the face with vinegar (ultimately had to use it full strength to dissuade that cat).
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
Tossing a bundle of ignited matches around some parts of the country could end you up in a world of trouble. Try explaining why you were throwing fire brands at a dog to the hundred people whose houses you've burned down.

I didn't say you had to psychoanalyze the dog, just understand how to use millennia of conditioning and breeding on them. They are cowards. They were cowards before they decided that we were a meal ticket. They understand that we are a meal ticket and will do whatever is necessary to keep riding the gravy train. Use it against them.
Chill, dude. I was joking.
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Well i dont know. Good to hear so many creative tips that actually work or work.

So far i think i have to choose pepper or ammonia, pluss getting of the bike and use my bike as a big weapon and have a clear loud angry voice, maybe it would do.

Bears are more easy to temp than insane dogs, but its something with that voice..and a threat.
Like a fellow Norwegian citizen named Lars that completely crossed Canada north areas by foot and skies some years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFGwX-BjHX8
 
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Dual purpose device

My favorite used to be the frame pump.

As beast approaches reach down and dismount dual purpose device from frame.

Hold in vertical position by handle while maintaining speed and course.

When beast is in striking distance rotate sharply downward.

Once deployed weapon the will telescope to almost double original length- thus increasing effective range and force of impact.

A solid strike across the snout of a wild beast trying to eat you is quite satisfying.

Alas - I no longer carry a frame pump (mini pump)nor live where dogs roam. The rare event is now handled by

Stopping- Dismount - Keep bike between you and beast.

Stare and walk toward dog. Doing as cyco commune recommends.
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Originally Posted by notnormal View Post
I usually turn my bike around, point it right at them, and chase them instead . The hunter becomes the hunted !
+1. I used to use Halt pepper spray. After I ran out, I got fed up with the dogs chasing me. I now turn around and chase them. They freak out to see that a human on a bike can easily keep up with them. I'll chase them home, knock on the owner's door and tell them to keep their dog up 'cause I'm sick and tired of being chased by them!
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Here's a way to rig a pepper spray style cannister for quick release with a TwoFish Bikeblock. I have mixed feelings about carrying it that way, but I have done so on occasion.

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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
A loud voice and some knowledge of dog psychology is the best weapon you have.
I saw something like this from this forum and decided to use it the next time I got chased. IT DID NOT WORK!

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How about an Air Zound? Maybe that would startle the hell out of a dog.
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I saw something like this from this forum and decided to use it the next time I got chased. IT DID NOT WORK!

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I have not been chased by a dog for close to 20 years. If I see them charging, a very loud "NO!" and ending the chase is very effective. Chemicals, pepper spray, pumps, etc. are only effective if the dog is already chasing you and very, very close. And, with the exception of the pump, many of them can backfire on you. Drinking ammonia water is not a good idea and pepper sprays shot into the wind can come back to blind you. Perfect situation: riding a bike blind

If yelling at the dog didn't work, did you get bit?
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You may want to check but I thought ammonia can blind the dog. In our town, the dogs are very well cared for and well socialized and don't chase me. Out in the county is another story. Pepper spray is good, just in case. Never used it in the ten years I carried it however.
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I think that for these kinds of potential situations, there's nothing wrong with being prepared with several options. Yelling, getting the bike between you and the dog, etc., are great first options. But if those things fail, it doesn't hurt to have a back-up plan (hopefully one that you never have to use, but another option nonetheless). I don't look at something like pepper spray as a first option, but I do see it as part of a fall-back plan if other immediately available options fail.
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