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Any mid-priced ($50ish) rear red lights? (Better than PBSF)

Old 12-26-08, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by wrobertdavis View Post
Thanks, I'm interested. What are you doing for battery, battery mounts, and connectors? What kind of mount is that? It looks small for a handlebar mount. What about helmet mounts?

Bob
This light is not mine as I have my own version of DIYs. All the accessories can be purchased throughout the internet and at your local electronic stores. Mounts can be ordered (or shipped for free) from many commercial bike light companies and mail order sites.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=214001

This is an extension hobby of most who are interested and capable (ie. engineering geeks). People DIY for various reasons (to save money, to try new things, to upend the current offering, to get ahead of the curve as consumers can get the latest LEDs before commercial makers can even churn out their prototype for demo).

DIY can be made simpler, lighter, and easier to use than commercial bike lights. Don't think it means putting together a crummy looking light.

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What is the Blue and Red Thing in the last pic?
Thanks
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Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
This light is not mine as I have my own version of DIYs. All the accessories can be purchased throughout the internet and at your local electronic stores. Mounts can be ordered (or shipped for free) from many commercial bike light companies and mail order sites.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=214001

This is an extension hobby of most who are interested and capable (ie. engineering geeks). People DIY for various reasons (to save money, to try new things, to upend the current offering, to get ahead of the curve as consumers can get the latest LEDs before commercial makers can even churn out their prototype for demo).

DIY can be made simpler, lighter, and easier to use than commercial bike lights. Don't think it means putting together a crummy looking light.



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I was serious. I zoomed in on it and could not tell what it was. Thanks
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Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
This is an extension hobby of most who are interested and capable (ie. engineering geeks).

DIY can be made simpler, lighter, and easier to use than commercial bike lights. Don't think it means putting together a crummy looking light.
Ah, that puts DIY out of the reach of most mere mortals, who don't have the knowledge, training, or skills to deal with it. For most riders, commercial is the answer.

I'm an electrical engineer, but I still choose to buy commercial.

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Originally Posted by wrobertdavis View Post
I'm an electrical engineer, but I still choose to buy commercial.
Ditto. I prefer to pay for someone else's engineering work. I wonder how many of these home-brewed lights fail after riding over a couple of bumps. I am willing to trade reliability and good mechanical design for a couple of lumens here and there.
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Originally Posted by LarryMelman View Post
Ditto. I prefer to pay for someone else's engineering work. I wonder how many of these home-brewed lights fail after riding over a couple of bumps. I am willing to trade reliability and good mechanical design for a couple of lumens here and there.
Same here. I have asked some of them to make one of their Super Duper Lights.
No takers.
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Originally Posted by LarryMelman View Post
Ditto. I prefer to pay for someone else's engineering work. I wonder how many of these home-brewed lights fail after riding over a couple of bumps. I am willing to trade reliability and good mechanical design for a couple of lumens here and there.
LOL. Like the commercial lights were foolproof. I've ridden with people who DIY and buy commercial lights, things do break when you use them extensively, DIY is no exception. 18 months of MTBing/road/winter/rain on my first DIY. Some DIYers have 3 year old DIY lights still running fine, but the technology has advanced enough that it's cheap to make another one.

Sometimes, you can't pay for someone else's engineering work, because they don't exist and nobody makes them commercially. High end dynamo led utilizing the latest led is something nobody has on the market.
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For front lights its not too hard to make something cheaper and or better than you can buy. For rear lights there are lots of good compact cheap ones out there. PBSF, ld1100, Mars 4.0 all seem to be in the same ballpark.
If cyclists were getting knocked off their bikes everyday by motorists approaching from behind I'd certainly be running a DIY dinotte. But its just not that common.
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Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
LOL. Like the commercial lights were foolproof. I've ridden with people who DIY and buy commercial lights, things do break when you use them extensively, DIY is no exception. 18 months of MTBing/road/winter/rain on my first DIY. Some DIYers have 3 year old DIY lights still running fine, but the technology has advanced enough that it's cheap to make another one.
I have had had several failures with my diy HID light then the batterie failed. tiem for a good well made light.
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Originally Posted by steveknight View Post
I have had had several failures with my diy HID light then the batterie failed. tiem for a good well made light.
Never heard of anyone DIY an HID for bike light, that's a first. Then again, I think HID for DIY is a terrible idea.
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only somewhat diy. I bought a HID from trailtek it was just the lamp then I built LI ion battery packs and switches and all. connections would fail one ballast went bad then after 2 years of that the batteries died. I think the load was too high LI ions back then were only rated for 1ah here I get a dinotte 200l and it lighted the road better then the 13w HID because the beam was more focused.
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Originally Posted by chainstrainer View Post
I see powergadget has it on sale for $39.95. You can lower that using their 10% off coupon code. Definitely puts it in the $40-100 range with shipping.
The price of the Vetta TSL-C on Amazon.com is now $74.99 (!!!), but it's still $39.95 at powergadget.
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Old 12-29-08, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mds0725 View Post
The price of the Vetta TSL-C on Amazon.com is now $74.99 (!!!), .
But click on the "other products by Vetta" and for $5 more you can get the tail lite and a 3W headlight combo (msrp $150)!
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I see powergadget has it on sale for $39.95. You can lower that using their 10% off coupon code. Definitely puts it in the $40-100 range with shipping.
Powergadget sent me a coupon code today (Dec. 29) that expired on November 30. This doesn't exactly inspire confidence in that website. Anyway, I've written to complain. In the meantime, if you have any idea where I can get an unexpired coupon code for powergadget, please let me know. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by mds0725 View Post
Powergadget sent me a coupon code today (Dec. 29) that expired on November 30. This doesn't exactly inspire confidence in that website. Anyway, I've written to complain. In the meantime, if you have any idea where I can get an unexpired coupon code for powergadget, please let me know. Thanks!
I just ordered another Vetta from them and typed in the word "christmas" for the coupon--got 10% off.
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I disagree on the flash mode. I think the slower pace flash is more appropriate for the Vetta's larger surface area of 20 LED's versus the PBSF's 3 LED's.
I had an experience that made me revisit this subject this morning. I parked my bike at the gym, turned off the Vetta, and walked out to the parking lot to put my jacket in my wife's car (she opens the place at 5a.m.--having a locker on wheels can be convenient). When I turned around to walk back, it was immediately obvious that I didn't turn the Vetta off. It was in it's slow flash mode and boy was that noticeable! I just ordered another one so I can run one steady and one one flashing. So that's two very bright tail lights for $63--maybe not in the Dinotte's league but it's off the charts in the "bang for the buck" category.
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Originally Posted by dclaryjr View Post
I had an experience that made me revisit this subject this morning. I parked my bike at the gym, turned off the Vetta, and walked out to the parking lot to put my jacket in my wife's car (she opens the place at 5a.m.--having a locker on wheels can be convenient). When I turned around to walk back, it was immediately obvious that I didn't turn the Vetta off. It was in it's slow flash mode and boy was that noticeable! I just ordered another one so I can run one steady and one one flashing. So that's two very bright tail lights for $63--maybe not in the Dinotte's league but it's off the charts in the "bang for the buck" category.
How do you have enough room to mount two?

The weather will cooperate this evening so I will give mine a test and give my report comparing it to my MARS 2.0 & 3.0 and various other blinkies hopefully to include a PBSF.

I see that they advertise it as 85 Lux high and 55 low on powergadget. That is as bright as the original Light and Motion Vega headlight! It should be noticeable to say the least.

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Originally Posted by dekindy View Post
How do you have enough room to mount two?
I have a tailbox made of coroplast sitting on my rack--I just zip-tie the mounts to the box. However, I will soon have a new bike, and I'm thinking of building a base out of pvc that will support a new tail box, and then adding a tube at the back to mount the two lights. I'm not sure how I'm going to set it up--I'm leaning towards mounting them on the same vertical tube rather than spreading them horizontally but I'm open to suggestions!
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Originally Posted by mds0725 View Post
Powergadget sent me a coupon code today (Dec. 29) that expired on November 30. This doesn't exactly inspire confidence in that website.
Lemme see if I can boost your confidence a tad. I ordered at 7am and by 1pm I had an email with the UPS tracking number. So far...so good!
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Originally Posted by tdister View Post
If anyone can take beamshots, one against a white wall, comparing it to the intensity and spread of the PBSF, would be most appreciated.
Here's a half-ass attempt to satisfy this request. I'm limited by having a point and shoot camera and no white wall. What I used was a beige garage door that was being hit on the top half by a neighbor's mercury lamp. The results really don't do the difference between these two lights justice, but it's a start.

First here's the Superflash on steady:



And here's the Vetta on high:



The difference is much more drastic than this shows--hopefully someone with better equipment will post some pics. Now I just have to figure out the best way to use two of these.
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I had my first ride with the Vetta tonight. It makes all the other blinkies look pitiful. And I do mean pitiful. I now have a real tail light. I would like to compare it to the Dinotte because IMHO the Cateye's, Blackburn's, Planet Bike, etc. are not even close. Long term reliability still remains to be proven but I don't have any concerns.

As far as price, the $75 list is steep compared other blinkies. Compared to the Dinotte without batteries and charger at $129 it may not be too much out of line. I would consider $60 or below a good value compared to the rest of the market and $40 or $26 a steal.

It is very bright but not blinding like the Dinotte and is not directional like cheaper blinkies. I like it!
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Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
DIY can exceed commercial quality. In brightness and quality of construction.

Here's an example. This light has better heating dissipation than any light on the market. I can show you a few more from others.


Awesome setup. Can you give details where you purchased the pieces and a comparison in brightness to a P7 flashlight?
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I just read the whole thread and there are lots of interesting lights to be had.

Unfortunately the Vetta TSL-C is not one of them.

At least not here in the UK (none on amazon uk or ebay uk)

After taking all the info in, I now feel the need to add something brighter to my 6 lamp rear set up - two on rear carrier, one on mudguard, two on seatpost and one on the seat.

I've just realised I'm missing a rear helmet light.

I'm going to have to go the DIY route as dinotte levels of output needn't be expensive or difficult to attain.

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Vetta compared to PBSF Today.
Cloudy Light Rain Time 12:29 PM

At a distance:



Zoom in:



The Vetta was on Bright.
The PBSF was on Strobe.
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I just read the whole thread and there are lots of interesting lights to be had.

Unfortunately the Vetta TSL-C is not one of them.

At least not here in the UK (none on amazon uk or ebay uk)

After taking all the info in, I now feel the need to add something brighter to my 6 lamp rear set up - two on rear carrier, one on mudguard, two on seatpost and one on the seat.

I've just realised I'm missing a rear helmet light.

I'm going to have to go the DIY route as dinotte levels of output needn't be expensive or difficult to attain.

I just received Three of these.
Great Light. Brighter than the PBSF.


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All the Vetta/PBSF showdown pictures reveal is that neither one does a whole lot of good for daytime riding IMO. I'm going to see if I can borrow my son's video camera and do some night time comparisons--that's when I want the most help from a light. I know I've received comments from three people that know me and have been behind me in traffic going into the Navy base in the morning. They've all commented on how bright the Vetta's are--and I have them on the low setting!!
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