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2_i 10-27-10 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Shimagnolo (Post 11689129)
Hadn't heard of that before.
I found this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrw-i5Ku0mI

An even better one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30oPZO_z7-4

Correct. In a more narrow tube, where magnet fits better into the tube section, the effect is stronger. If the tube has a cut along its length, the effect becomes much weaker. The magnet must be moving for the effect to be there, so it never comes to a complete stop but may slow down a lot.

tatfiend 10-27-10 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by 2_i (Post 11687381)
Thanks, tatfiend, for the tip. With a Japanese trip coming up, I might try to get it there, hopefully for half of the Peter White's price and that mostly for collecting purposes. By now all critical bikes in my household are running dynohubs. A older Sanyo BB in my collection is without a remote.

I recently completed building three dynamo hub wheels for bikes in my herd, a Swobo Dixon, a Big Dummy and a Steelwool Tweed I built up with a Shimano Alfine rear hub and drop bars. The Sanyo and a B&M Dymotec 6 will be going on lower use bikes.

Shimagnolo 10-27-10 12:56 PM

Heck, it doesn't even need to be a tube.
I just reproduced this at home with a piece of aluminum angle stock and a neodymium magnet.

black_box 10-27-10 01:07 PM

The amount of work that can be done is impressive. I'm pretty sure most of the free-fall style of amusement park rides use eddy currents as the primary braking force.

dscheidt 10-27-10 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by Shimagnolo (Post 11689394)
Heck, it doesn't even need to be a tube.
I just reproduced this at home with a piece of aluminum angle stock and a neodymium magnet.

Eddy currents like this are used to separate aluminum from other recyclables. I'm sure if you look, you can find a youtube video. Basic process is spread recyclables in a thin layer, use conventional electromagnets to pull steel out. Then as the material goes over a drop, there's a rotating magnet. That repels the aluminum cans (and anything else conductive and non-magnetic) away from it. That's enough that the cans fall into a different place than the bottles, paper, and plastic. That increased level of mechanized sorting is one of the reasons that single stream recycling (where the end user can put everything in the same bin, and someone else sorts it out) has become practical.

crhilton 10-27-10 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by chucky (Post 11682647)
This is silly. Just because something like a SON isn't mechanically decoupled it doesn't mean it isn't decoupled. The physical world consists of more than just mechanics which pea minded cyclists can see with their eyes.

A SON disengages when you turn the lights off and that disengagement is just as real as any mechanical disengagement (which won't be 100.00% efficient either).

That's what I thought too. I'm sure there's some tiny drag from the extra friction of extra moving parts, or something, but it's probably less than what you lose by not shaving that day.

chucky 10-29-10 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by 2_i (Post 11688434)
Rotating magnets produce energy loss because they repeatedly change magnetization of the stator. This comes out as heat. In addition, moving magnets give rise to eddy currents that also yield heat. In a standard demonstration of the latter a cylindrical magnet is dropped down an alu tube where it comes to a virtual stop while neither significant mechanical losses are involved nor magnetization of the tube.

Yes, but the question is what is the loss mechanism for the mechanical design and how does it compare? With a clutch there will be vibrations, slippage, etc which will lead to heat similar to the aforementioned parasitic eddy currents.

Keeping the magnets rotating serves the function of maintaining perfect contact and close tolerances. If you disconnect them then there either needs to be something mechanical to serve the same function such as a bearing OR you need to compromise the quality of the contact.

There's no free lunch. It won't be perfectly efficient no matter how you design it and, at a given price point, in all likelihood the more complex design will less perfect.


Originally Posted by LWaB (Post 11689019)
Actually, the discontinued LightSpin bottle dynamo was slightly more efficient than the SON, according to a German cycle magazine. Most bottle dynamos are designed to a price.

Obviously there are always exceptional examples. The point is that, given equal quality, a fixed design will be more efficient when on than a clutch which engages by friction. Just because the LightSpin had superior electronics (and was perhaps superior overall) it doesn't mean that the mechanical coupling employed wasn't inferior.


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