Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets
Reload this Page >

New computer with vintage sensors?

Search
Notices
Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets HRM, GPS, MP3, HID. Whether it's got an acronym or not, here's where you'll find discussions on all sorts of tools, toys and gadgets.

New computer with vintage sensors?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-13-13, 07:40 AM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
TampaRaleigh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 1,940

Bikes: 1986 Raleigh Competition (Restored to Original), 1986 Cannonade SR400 (Updated to Dura Ace 7800)

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
New computer with vintage sensors?

If I splice a new (Cateye Strava) computer harness to vintage sensors, do you think it would work?

Cateye gave me the canned legal mumbo-jumbo resonse:

Cateye does not recommend splicing, soldering or otherwise separating and rejoining the wires of CatEye bracket/sensor kits.
I have experience in electronics repair and soldering, so that's not the issue. I'm just wondering how sensitive the head unit might be to different "pulses" that it gets from the sensors.

(YES, I have a good reason for wanting to do this.)
TampaRaleigh is offline  
Old 02-13-13, 09:37 AM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Far beyond the pale horizon.
Posts: 14,258
Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4244 Post(s)
Liked 1,348 Times in 935 Posts
The wired sensor is a reed-switch that breaks a circut when the magnet passes it. There isn't any magic going on.
njkayaker is offline  
Old 02-13-13, 09:47 AM
  #3  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
TampaRaleigh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 1,940

Bikes: 1986 Raleigh Competition (Restored to Original), 1986 Cannonade SR400 (Updated to Dura Ace 7800)

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by njkayaker
The wired sensor is a reed-switch that breaks a circut when the magnet passes it. There isn't any magic going on.
Well... that makes it even MORE likely that my plan will work. I was thinking that there was a coil in the sensor that generated an electrical pulse when the magnet passed. I've never disassembled a sensor before.
TampaRaleigh is offline  
Old 02-13-13, 09:50 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
TampaRaleigh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 1,940

Bikes: 1986 Raleigh Competition (Restored to Original), 1986 Cannonade SR400 (Updated to Dura Ace 7800)

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
This is my reason for wanting to undertake this splicing job:

TampaRaleigh is offline  
Old 02-13-13, 10:29 AM
  #5  
-
 
seeker333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,865

Bikes: yes!

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 282 Post(s)
Liked 38 Times in 36 Posts
Originally Posted by TampaRaleigh
This is my reason...
I say splice away.
seeker333 is offline  
Old 02-13-13, 10:52 AM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
Looigi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,951
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times in 12 Posts
Agree. I know of no system that uses anything other than reed switches for cadence and wheel sensing. Thought there are other possibilities, I don't think they are as practical for this application.
Looigi is offline  
Old 02-13-13, 06:44 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 112
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by njkayaker
The wired sensor is a reed-switch that breaks a circut when the magnet passes it. There isn't any magic going on.
I always thought they were really thin wire coils with the magnet generating a tiny current in the coil. The reed switch makes much more sense.
christo930 is offline  
Old 02-13-13, 06:55 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Bay Area, Calif.
Posts: 7,239
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 659 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Originally Posted by Looigi
Agree. I know of no system that uses anything other than reed switches for cadence and wheel sensing. Thought there are other possibilities, I don't think they are as practical for this application.
The older Avocet cyclometers (like the '50') used a Hall effect sensor with a small ring mounted around the hub instead of the usual single magnet attached to a spoke. Those Avocets did have the advantage of responding more quickly to speed changes, but their sensor was probably less cost-effective than the reed switch used by everyone else.
prathmann is offline  
Old 02-13-13, 08:50 PM
  #9  
Randomhead
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 24,386
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 3,687 Times in 2,510 Posts
I had always just assumed they used hall effect sensors. Seems like you could actually count spokes, like they do with gear teeth

I think that attaching to the stub of a wire at the headtube end is going to be a problem
unterhausen is offline  
Old 02-14-13, 09:53 AM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
Looigi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 8,951
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times in 12 Posts
I think quiescent power draw is the key characteristic. Reed switches may have a limited life and slow response, but at the total usage and rate on a bicycle, they are the best current solution, IMO.
Looigi is offline  
Old 02-14-13, 10:21 AM
  #11  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
TampaRaleigh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 1,940

Bikes: 1986 Raleigh Competition (Restored to Original), 1986 Cannonade SR400 (Updated to Dura Ace 7800)

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by unterhausen
I had always just assumed they used hall effect sensors. Seems like you could actually count spokes, like they do with gear teeth

I think that attaching to the stub of a wire at the headtube end is going to be a problem
I'm going to snip the sensors off of the new harness, and draw the new wiring down the downtube. I'll pull the old and new wires out through the bottom bracket shell to solder them together (that'll give me plenty of length in case of error) and then I'll tuck it back up into the downtube and reinstall the bottom bracket.
TampaRaleigh is offline  
Old 02-14-13, 06:45 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Brooklyn NY
Posts: 7,719

Bikes: Kuota Kredo/Chorus, Trek 7000 commuter, Trek 8000 MTB and a few others

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Liked 461 Times in 363 Posts
Good luck with the wires. They are extremely thin and difficult to handle. I've tried re-wiring headphones and it is almost impossible to make it work, and I think these are even thinner. I gave up on the headphones and just bought another pair. With the cheaper wired computers I'd just bite the bullet and put in a new set. I've built a fair amount of electronic equipment too, although far from an expert, so I wasn't a noobie at soldering and handling the stuff.
zacster is offline  
Old 02-15-13, 11:38 PM
  #13  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 7,075
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Interesting. Is that a modified frame or full custom?

I'm guessing it will work but like zacster mentioned, the solder job will be tedious. I know I couldn't do it but some can. When I was a kid, I remember my dad doing several custom harnesses for obscure reasons. One was putting a Campagnolo ergo brain on a bike Friday tandem. He had to extend the harness and add a disconnect,
thirdgenbird is offline  
Old 03-06-13, 07:31 AM
  #14  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
TampaRaleigh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 1,940

Bikes: 1986 Raleigh Competition (Restored to Original), 1986 Cannonade SR400 (Updated to Dura Ace 7800)

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by thirdgenbird
Interesting. Is that a modified frame or full custom?

I'm guessing it will work but like zacster mentioned, the solder job will be tedious. I know I couldn't do it but some can. When I was a kid, I remember my dad doing several custom harnesses for obscure reasons. One was putting a Campagnolo ergo brain on a bike Friday tandem. He had to extend the harness and add a disconnect,
It's a modified 1985 Bridgestone 700. The wire routing was added sometime before 1988. (It had a California registration decal from 1988, on top of the repaint.)

I took on the surgery last night... and it was a success! I pulled the old wires out through the bottom bracket shell, fished the new wires down the downtube, spliced and soldered, covered it all up with a couple layers of heat shrink, and put the bottom bracket back in.
TampaRaleigh is offline  
Old 03-06-13, 08:37 AM
  #15  
Oh! That British Bloke ..
 
ThatBritBloke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Princeton, NJ, USA
Posts: 242
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Go wireless ...
ThatBritBloke is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
bobh123
Tandem Cycling
8
05-01-18 12:09 PM
SlvrDragon50
Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets
0
07-02-16 12:55 AM
thedoc46
Bicycle Mechanics
12
06-03-15 06:04 PM
jucas85
Road Cycling
0
10-31-14 11:10 PM
MrCjolsen
Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets
3
12-25-09 11:26 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.