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JonnyHK 05-13-13 06:45 AM

Brake light with accelerometer
 
http://www.bikerumor.com/2013/05/13/...ht/#more-60037

Looks like a much more practical and reliable solution to something that folks have been tinkering with for years.

unterhausen 05-13-13 10:25 AM

I have a dyno brake light. Haven't put it on a bike yet

ItsJustMe 05-13-13 11:05 AM

Seems a bit steep. Adding an accelerometer should only add maybe $8 to the cost of a brake light, and that's on one-off pricing, like if I just went to Digikey and bought a single accelerometer chip. It should interface fine to the processor that's already there in the light.

Indrek Rebane 05-13-13 05:28 PM

Velodroom bike light
 
Well... as an engineer working on a similar, but less expensive and way better looking
bike light, I can tell it is not the components that cost. Electronics add maybe 4$ to this project.
Main expenses are probably R&D and marketing. Still, 100$ implies a bit too large contribution
from the backers to get their production costs down. After that they may reduce the price,
but not holding my breath for it. Just my biased opinion.

Project I'm working on: http://vd.ee
and a brief Velodroom trailer/teaser

JonnyHK 05-13-13 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Indrek Rebane (Post 15621987)
Well... as an engineer working on a similar, but less expensive and way better looking
bike light, I can tell it is not the components that cost. Electronics add maybe 4$ to this project.
Main expenses are probably R&D and marketing. Still, 100$ implies a bit too large contribution
from the backers to get their production costs down. After that they may reduce the price,
but not holding my breath for it. Just my biased opinion.

Project I'm working on: http://vd.ee
and a brief Velodroom trailer/teaser


Much better looking and more practical (mount etc)..

Indrek Rebane 05-14-13 05:20 PM

Velodroom now also covered in bikerumor: http://www.bikerumor.com/2013/05/14/...ve-bike-light/

We are also working on front light and want to make it the best one in the world,
so any feedback-suggestions-comments are welcome.

Aushiker 05-14-13 08:49 PM

Interesting and thanks for sharing. I have thought of fitting a Busch & Mueller BrakeTec as I run a dynamo on one of my bikes.


Andrew

Indrek Rebane 05-15-13 03:24 AM


Originally Posted by Aushiker (Post 15626512)
Interesting and thanks for sharing. I have thought of fitting a Busch & Mueller BrakeTec as I run a dynamo on one of my bikes.

Busch & Müller TOPLIGHT line brake plus is pretty good. Probably best you can get just now.
Good engineering and ingenious operating principle. Also very reasonably priced.

Velodroom is working on dynamo model as well, but this will not be on the market before 2014.
Dynamo connection is currently mandatory for bike lights in Germany by StVZO TA. Of course
we will do our best to make better light than B&M. However, if you need one now there is no
match to B&M as far as I know. And this comes from their competitor.

pdlamb 05-15-13 09:16 AM

AIUI B&M uses a frequency comparator to detect when the bike is slowing (from the dyno hub). That seems likely to be cheaper (all electronic) than adding an accelerometer into the mix.

Looigi 05-15-13 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by pdlamb (Post 15628010)
AIUI B&M uses a frequency comparator to detect when the bike is slowing (from the dyno hub). That seems likely to be cheaper (all electronic) than adding an accelerometer into the mix.

Accelerometers (and gyros), as used in cell phones for example, are inexpensive solid state electronic devices.

Indrek Rebane 05-16-13 01:04 AM


Originally Posted by Looigi (Post 15629257)
Accelerometers (and gyros), as used in cell phones for example, are inexpensive solid state electronic devices.

This is indeed so. However, electronic components are not the main
cost in a project with low volumes. Less than 20 000 pieces, say.

skycomag 05-16-13 07:55 PM

I came across these http://www.ebay.com/itm/111058289337...84.m1497.l2649.

can't beat the price. I order 2 of these to use on my bike rack to improve the brake light visibility. sinc my bike blocks my brake lights.

fietsbob 05-18-13 11:13 AM

As the hub dynamo has Power pulses, the B&M one lights brighter as the Pulse Frequency drops .
in normal operation there is a capacitor to smooth out the pulses

Flashing tail lights are verboten in German bike regulations.
but Asian Export Stuff sells withall those flashing Modes.

stbtra 05-27-13 02:43 AM


Originally Posted by ItsJustMe (Post 15620480)
Seems a bit steep. Adding an accelerometer should only add maybe $8 to the cost of a brake light, and that's on one-off pricing, like if I just went to Digikey and bought a single accelerometer chip. It should interface fine to the processor that's already there in the light.

99% of lights do not have a processor on them, they're mostly special purpose custom cheap silicon that can do very limited things

ItsJustMe 05-27-13 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by stbtra (Post 15671274)
99% of lights do not have a processor on them, they're mostly special purpose custom cheap silicon that can do very limited things

OK, so add about 80 cents minus whatever the custom silicon costs, to the total cost. 80 cents is what I can buy small processors for in relatively small quantities (100+) In 5000 quantities, it's down to about 60 cents or less. The accelerometer is a more significant cost, they're usually a couple of bucks in the quantity I buy, but I'm sure when you start buying a few thousand the price drops considerably.

Indrek Rebane 06-13-13 05:19 AM

I'm glad to announce that things have moved a notch closer with Velodroom bike light.
Today we are launching our Kickstarter campaign and hopefully reach our set goal.

Kickstarter page:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/velodroom/velodrooms-smart-bicycle-light

sysrq 08-09-21 11:13 PM

Anyone experienced taillight getting brighter upon acceleration as well? Seems like accelerometer is working both ways on some lights. Couldn't find anything about such a specific issue so had no other choice but to ask here.

Tourist in MSN 08-10-21 06:01 AM

Eight year old thread.

chaadster 08-10-21 11:34 AM

Yeah, is this a zombie resurrection for an imagined issue?! Haha!

Eric F 08-10-21 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by sysrq (Post 22178170)
Anyone experienced taillight getting brighter upon acceleration as well? Seems like accelerometer is working both ways on some lights. Couldn't find anything about such a specific issue so had no other choice but to ask here.

I use one of these... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07W4PGHK7

As far as I've been able to tell, it only gets brighter under deceleration. That said, I have a hard time riding and seeing my tail light at the same time. I'm just not that flexible.


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