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Why should I get a Garmin 1000?

Old 10-24-14, 06:57 PM
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Why should I get a Garmin 1000?

I was prepared to purchase an 810 because I want the mapping capability, but the 1000 is shiny and new with a larger screen, though I will never use any of the phone connection stuff.

What reasons are there to spend the extra 200 bucks for the 1000? I will only connect it to my PM, heart rate strap, and use the maps.
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You shouldn't. Look into the Magellan Cyclo 505 (Mio in Europe), it was a joy to get rid of my Garmin for something that really works
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Originally Posted by GuyDebord View Post
You shouldn't. Look into the Magellan Cyclo 505 (Mio in Europe), it was a joy to get rid of my Garmin for something that really works
you're not the first one to say something similar, and you're also not the first to tell me Garmin doesn't work, or doesn't work as well. I've been using garmins for 30k miles and have not had one.single.issue.
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Originally Posted by bmcphx View Post
you're not the first one to say something similar, and you're also not the first to tell me Garmin doesn't work, or doesn't work as well. I've been using garmins for 30k miles and have not had one.single.issue.
Also, Why does the OP need the Garmin Edge 1000. What does it offer, that the Garmin Edge 800 or 810, don't already have.
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Also, Why does the OP need the Garmin Edge 1000. What does it offer, that the Garmin Edge 800 or 810, don't already have.
I'm the OP and that was my question lol
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Old 10-25-14, 12:09 AM
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I want the etrex 30 myself. It does all that a gps needs to do, I don't see the need for segments and messages on the garmin. I like to be off the grid when riding, not watching social media.
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Originally Posted by krobinson103 View Post
I want the etrex 30 myself. It does all that a gps needs to do, I don't see the need for segments and messages on the garmin. I like to be off the grid when riding, not watching social media.
+1 I use an etrex 20. It does all I need a GPS to do. I like to enjoy the ride, I can check the computer and phone when I get home.
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1000 has wifi and Glonass whereas the 810 does not. Also has some better features for laying out routes on the device, though it's just about always way better and easier to do this on a computer/tablet/phablet and download the rides. Here's a basic comparison from Garmin's website: https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/cata...Product=112912

Here are some very detailed reviews of the 1000, 810, etc. : Garmin | DC Rainmaker
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Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
Here are some very detailed reviews of the 1000, 810, etc. : Garmin | DC Rainmaker
Absolutely agree with this. Ray does really good reviews, and because he is so meticulous in reviewing, it is easy to compare his reviews of one device to another. I have not looked ta his 810 review recently, not sure if it is updated to the new device firmware. Also, Garmin has made the beta for what will become the next FW available, and it has segments, TBT mapping, and Di2 connectivity. No Glonass or wifi, though. That is hardware related. Being transparent, I am beta testing the new FW on my 810, and it is largely stable, with some minor issues connecting to my phone, though Garmin believes it may be an issue with the iPhone app, they are working on it, as many users are sending in error logs. I do not have the 1000, nor have I ever fiddled with it, so I cannot compare for you. Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by GuyDebord View Post
You shouldn't. Look into the Magellan Cyclo 505 (Mio in Europe), it was a joy to get rid of my Garmin for something that really works
LOL.

How about that distance doubling bug, that renders the entire device useless if you're effected by it-and still isn't fixed almost a year on? All you can do is keep RMAing devices until you get one that really works...or not use a speed-and-cadence-sensor and live with laggy sometimes inaccurate ride data.

How about not being able to use mapsets from different regions? You in the EU come to the USA and you're so hosed your Mio becomes a ride recorder with no routing whatsoever.

How about a lap button?

Hell, how about product support...Mio/Magellan's has proven as bad or worse than Garmin's. EU you at least get somewhat timely updates. USA Magellan, is roughly 3 months behind Aus which gets updates first. 3 whole farking months.

Oh yea, and the Magellan in the USA only has 100MB of never-expandable ride history storage.

And note, the new Garmin accelerometer sensors do not work with the MCyclo.

Something that really works, my scrawny butt.

Credit where it is due...Magellan/Mio at least are about to stop reposting all of your non-anonymized ride data on the public internet ("routeyou") without your consent or knowledge....well technically you did consent, you agreed to an EULA you never read).... I personally love it when people can find out where I live and work within 3 feet of EPE without my informed consent. When Magellan/Mio were called out on this questionably legal practice all they did was smile knowingly and say "RTF-EULA".


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Also, Why does the OP need the Garmin Edge 1000. What does it offer, that the Garmin Edge 800 or 810, don't already have.
Intervals, segments, Bluetooth4 hardware support (important for those smart sensors coming out)...Oh yea, and the 810 is still riddled with bugs and the gas to fix them seems to have gone out of Garmin's tank.


There is no perfect GPS computer...but the Edge 1000 is getting to be there after the standard Garmin teething pains. The Mio makes a decent navigation device if that is what you want, if you are not annoyed by its other "features". The Edge makes a great training tool.

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hey guys, thanks for your information. It really makes it sound as though if I'm not interested in the phone/app integration or segments it's not worth it. However, I'm trying to resist the bigger/better screen as well as the stated better reliability. Are those two items alone worth $200??
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Originally Posted by bmcphx View Post
hey guys, thanks for your information. It really makes it sound as though if I'm not interested in the phone/app integration or segments it's not worth it. However, I'm trying to resist the bigger/better screen as well as the stated better reliability. Are those two items alone worth $200??
The worth question is something only you can answer.

If you do night or dawn/dusk or riding through tunnels the display is a nice stepup due to the ambient light sensor and auto contrast/backlight adjustment. Makes the display easily readable and not too blinding at dark automagically without you needing to do anything. In daylight it is pretty darn readable, I have an anti-glare screen protector on mine so it cuts down the vividness a bit as well as sun glare.

That being said E1K is a battery vampire. The official rated life is bizarro fantastic imaginary. IRL you can push 6-7 hours before being flat, you might be able to get a bit more turning things off...longer than that and you'll want an external battery pack. And contrary to rumors on the internet you can ride/record and charge off a charger at the same time.


If you're not using the extra training stuff or smartphone integration then I myself would question the $200 premium being worth it. I use the integration if work calls/texts, and the segments?workout intervals makes my riding harder/smarter dso it is all worth it to me. OTOH no matter what you OP talking about spending $300-400USD on a widget like the E800 or E810 that is already hardware-obsolete and will never be hardware compatible with the BT4 smart sensors coming out.

Note if you're a Premium member of CleverTraining you can get E1K for 10% off through CleverTraining (costs $5USD for a year for DCRainmaker readers)...otherwise most of the other GPS devices on their store you can get for 10% off with a coupon code if you're a DRC reader.
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that battery issue may be a killer for me. I am not a brevet guy by any means, but I did go on a few 8+ hour rides over the last couple of years. I'd be really pissed off if I spent that long on the bike and lost my training tool part way through.

I guess I'll just get the 810, thanks for that piece of information!
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Originally Posted by bmcphx View Post
that battery issue may be a killer for me. I am not a brevet guy by any means, but I did go on a few 8+ hour rides over the last couple of years. I'd be really pissed off if I spent that long on the bike and lost my training tool part way through.

I guess I'll just get the 810, thanks for that piece of information!
Good luck with it.

Hopefully things have changed since a month or so back and the E810 forums had lots of users annoyed at the lack of progress on patching it's flaws.
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I was prepared to purchase an 810 because I want the mapping capability, but the 1000 is shiny and new with a larger screen, though I will never use any of the phone connection stuff.

What reasons are there to spend the extra 200 bucks for the 1000? I will only connect it to my PM, heart rate strap, and use the maps.
There is no reason based on those sensors alone. I passed my 810 down to the wife bike.. I will tell you the screen is night and day better on the 1000. I tend to lump 7-9 things on screen and everything is very readable. The phone connection stuff is nice, but it has not worked for me since apple updated to iOS 8 and beyond. BT is ok.. but BLE for the calls and messages is broken for me.
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There is no reason based on those sensors alone. I passed my 810 down to the wife bike.. I will tell you the screen is night and day better on the 1000. I tend to lump 7-9 things on screen and everything is very readable. The phone connection stuff is nice, but it has not worked for me since apple updated to iOS 8 and beyond. BT is ok.. but BLE for the calls and messages is broken for me.
Yea, the iPhone pairing is wonked. Pretty widely known issue.

Works fine on Android 4.4.4 here.
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I've got in 8hours of riding on a charge on the 1000... with just about everything imaginable connected to it... PM,HRM,Cadence,speed,virb,di2 sensor. I also have been able to charge and ride as mentioned in earlier post via a lipstick sized charger and short cord. Another reason I chose the 1000 is because I use the garmin vector pedals and I want to be sure I can use the upcoming cycling dynamics upgrade, the 810 might do it, but the added screen real estate of the 1000 and pixel density will be nicer.
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In terms of day/night switching my old vista hcx does that fine. Screen can be super bright at the cost of battery power or run fir 24 hours with bscklight off. The new vista 30 connects to speed and hr sensors, has the sane mapping solution, and runs on replacable batteries. Its not obsolete. Surely if you're nlt a.power user it would be the better choce. It also does wireless transfers.
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Just noticed this thread. I really dig the Edge 1000.

I've had other non-Edge Garmin models before, but this is my first Edge device and I wish I would have bought it sooner. I did a 5 hour ride not too long ago and had plenty of battery life left at the end of the ride. I want to say it was around 56% at the end of the ride maybe.

I do like the segments, turn by turn nav, wifi, ability to build workouts and of course the larger screen, but I'm sure I would be basically as happy with the 810.
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Don't know for sure, but I think the remote only works on the 1000. Awesome little gadget. I hate trying to swipe my finger on the touchscreen while riding. The remote is easy to use and can placed in a convenient location.
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I hate trying to swipe my finger on the touchscreen while riding.
me too man, it's so freaking difficult. IT's like trying to walk and talk at the same time, only a wizard can do it.
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me too man, it's so freaking difficult. IT's like trying to walk and talk at the same time, only a wizard can do it.
Do I detect a little "remote envy?"
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If you prefer to think of it as envy, then sure, let's call it that.
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Siri + iPhone works well for me in terms of navigation at least.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
LOL.

How about that distance doubling bug, that renders the entire device useless if you're effected by it-and still isn't fixed almost a year on? All you can do is keep RMAing devices until you get one that really works...or not use a speed-and-cadence-sensor and live with laggy sometimes inaccurate ride data.

How about not being able to use mapsets from different regions? You in the EU come to the USA and you're so hosed your Mio becomes a ride recorder with no routing whatsoever.

How about a lap button?

Hell, how about product support...Mio/Magellan's has proven as bad or worse than Garmin's. EU you at least get somewhat timely updates. USA Magellan, is roughly 3 months behind Aus which gets updates first. 3 whole farking months.

Oh yea, and the Magellan in the USA only has 100MB of never-expandable ride history storage.

And note, the new Garmin accelerometer sensors do not work with the MCyclo.

Something that really works, my scrawny butt.

Credit where it is due...Magellan/Mio at least are about to stop reposting all of your non-anonymized ride data on the public internet ("routeyou") without your consent or knowledge....well technically you did consent, you agreed to an EULA you never read).... I personally love it when people can find out where I live and work within 3 feet of EPE without my informed consent. When Magellan/Mio were called out on this questionably legal practice all they did was smile knowingly and say "RTF-EULA".




Intervals, segments, Bluetooth4 hardware support (important for those smart sensors coming out)...Oh yea, and the 810 is still riddled with bugs and the gas to fix them seems to have gone out of Garmin's tank.


There is no perfect GPS computer...but the Edge 1000 is getting to be there after the standard Garmin teething pains. The Mio makes a decent navigation device if that is what you want, if you are not annoyed by its other "features". The Edge makes a great training tool.
I've been using the Magellan Cyclo 505 for about two months now. I was previously using the Garmin 800. The Garmin was rock solid but was getting a little long in the tooth in terms of technology today. There are a number of features that Garmin does get right. I really, really do miss the auto-contrast at occurs automatically at sunset and the ability to customize individual routes (called tracks on Magellan) to either alert you of TBT instructions or you can disable it.

Having said that, I'm pretty content with the Cylo at this point. I use the same GSC-10 sensors that came with my Edge 800 and those work perfectly. I don't really care for the new Garmin sensors but that does need to be addressed by Magellan. Given the price point for the Magellan, you get what you pay for, right? I'm happy that my Bluetooth connection is rock solid. I get text messages, call notification and music player control on my cockpit. For what you're paying for on the Edge 1000, why aren't all these features on it. The Wifi is pretty solid too. No issues there.

It appears that Magellan is trying to play catch up at this point. The last firmware upgrade was a horrendous deployment mess as you indicated but they just upgraded their desktop agent and guess what, it was released across the board (Australia, EU, US). Sign of the times? Guess I'll have to wait but it's been pretty solid across the 3 bikes that I ride. From mountain to racing with power meter...

In my opinion and others have stated too, the Garmin is better for training & performance monitoring (more data captured and displayed) and the Cyclo is better at navigation. The voice prompts and the bike routes are plentiful on the Cyclo. I can't speak for the Edge 1000 but it certainly blows the 800 away. At this point, Magellan appears to be stabilizing their product BUT I haven't seen them address any of the features that surely could be added.

Things that Garmin gets right (and Magellan is missing):

    Those are my pet peeves around Magellan. Not deal killers but the ongoing workarounds are a nuisance.
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