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Old 06-07-15, 03:18 PM
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aerobics and running vs. cycling

I don't know about the rest of you, but at this age I can get a better cardio workout from cycling than from running, because of orthopedic limitations.

I ran the annual Triton 5K yesterday, a flat mostly-asphalt / some-concrete tour of our campus (UC San Diego). I placed 4th out of 18 in my men age 61 to 66 bracket, with a time of 29:41. I was not breathing hard and felt as though I could have pushed the heart and lungs to greater speed and/or a longer distance, but I was concerned about plantar fasciitis (currently not a problem, but been there ... done that) and my chronic Achilles' tendon issues. The Achilles was sore that evening, but felt OK today for my bike ride and workout at the Y.
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Foot pain from is how I got into cycling almost a year ago

The best cardio that I do the is on the stationary bike at the Y (Les Mills RPM). I have seen pretty dramatic results from that training. When running intervals I didn't see much improvement; probably because I was doing it wrong or not intensely enough.

I do some 5K or 8Ks after work but I consider that mostly endurance.
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Orthopedic and other age related limitations do limit running for a good workout. I developed plantar fasciitis myself and can do longer fun. But your race pace, while not slow, isn't especially fast at a little over 9:00 per mile. I imagine your cycling pace in comparative terms is much faster. That's why your running makes you feel like it's so easy.
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Sounds like the bike workout is what will keep your body working (lasting). Some runners just have the body for it like Frank Shorter who still runs.

Frank Shorter still keeps an impressive pace - latimes
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... But your race pace, while not slow, isn't especially fast at a little over 9:00 per mile. I imagine your cycling pace in comparative terms is much faster. That's why your running makes you feel like it's so easy.
Yes, that is precisely the point of my post -- the "agony of de feet" holds many of us back while running. I never had much speed, and I have definitely never been a sprinter (dominantly slow twitch musculature), but even in my 40s I could do 2 miles in 12 minutes, which had been the standard when I was in high school.

My cycling speed on flat land, particularly against a headwind, is nothing to brag about, either, but I am still a pretty good hill climber. Likewise, I can hold my own on uphill hikes, where foot, ankle, and knee issues do not hold me back as much as the pounding of running does. My walking pace is a pretty good 13 min/mi., but again not enough to get me winded.
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I am in somewhat the same boat about running, but mine is due to the 2 lumbar spinal fusions, and their appliances. Runing, even with my smooth gait and stride jars the lower back too much. Even the cushiest of running shoes, and insoles don't help me out.Thank goodness cycling suits me well, or I'd be a fat, miserable, old guy. Not that I am any kind of speedster on my CAAD10, far from it, 15-18 mph averages, and a few 25 mph sprints is it for me. Parkinson's Disease really has slowed me down, also.

When I was seriously running, back in the mid 80's, my shins and the knees were starting to hurt after 3-4 miles, and I was finding myself avoiding running. Something I hadn't done since middle school, I ran XC in high school, the largest HS XC runner in our district, too. Imagine a lineman/shot putter, in running shoes, bounding and crashing around the woods, scaring off the wildlife and such. Cycling is fulfilling for me, it gives me a sense of accomplishment to knock off 25+ miles, 6-7 days each week, even if its only a 15 mph average. But, I do miss running, and seeing everyone each Saturday morning, at what ever charity run we were doing, that week. But, pain hurts, so I have discovered.

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I took up cycling around seven years ago when my ageing body (back, knees) stopped me playing sport competitively. Like Bill I used to love running but could no longer run more than 10 minutes before my knees were in agony, and the next morning used to take me 10 minutes to straighten up.

Cycling has been absolutely brilliant for me at keeping my body ticking over and giving me a great deal of pleasure with hardly any of the pain, and I hope I never have to stop - but - in the hypothetical situation where I could either run without pain or cycle, but not do both, then I would have to choose running for its all-over fitness benefits and the freedom to run over any terrain, without having to spend a lot of money on different bikes, maintenance etc. The only specialist thing you need are decent shoes!
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Swimming, Cycling, Walking, These are 'Low Impact'.. We must take care of our feet and joints. A new Knee or Hip Is very expensive.

I Love to ride all three of my bikes.
But,
My workout, My Passion, My high, My Power Is with my Mountain bike. Only thing is the sudden, 'Get Off's' are not so, 'Low Impact',,

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Old 06-10-15, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by osco53 View Post
Swimming, Cycling, Walking, These are 'Low Impact'.. We must take care of our feet and joints. I new Knee or Hip Is very expensive.
True, but they are also non-weight bearing which does little for bone health.
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True, but they are also non-weight bearing which does little for bone health.
I figured most people had some free weights at the house.. I didn't mention mine, I use them and have the Total gym thing.

Plus my Mountain bike rides, Those are very intense bone loading sessions. I have regular climbs I do that are complete point of failure workouts.

It's not like road biking as far as I can tell, I am only on the saddle when climbing long and hard..
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I was a passionate runner until Achilles issues sidelined me. Ten marathons and countless other distances I loved training and racing. Biking has helped me but I need to log more miles if I want to be a better biker.
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all of you listed physical reasons for riding a bike vs running...
I get that... but my reason is riding a bike is just plain fun... running is just plain not fun.
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True, but they are also non-weight bearing which does little for bone health.
Unless you're Jesus, walking is a weight bearing exercise.
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For reasons unknown to mankind, I began walking races in 2010 in a 5K at Disney World. Never walked, jogged or ran the previous 59 years of my life. This was a once and done, I thought, event with my wife during the Walt Disney World Marathon Weekend in early January. Well, one year later during Disney World's Marathon Weekend I walked with wife in the 5K on Friday and the 1/2 marathon on Saturday then speed walked the full marathon on Sunday by myself in a time of 4:56:48. Speed walking using the Chi Walking style is very easy on the feet, ankles, knees, hips, back and every other part of the body. Runners I talk to who have given up running because of all the pounding they endured when younger could, I'm sure, benefit using Danny Dreyer's method of Chi Walking. The aerobic workout can be extremely intense because the stride distance is shorter requiring a faster cadence to keep pace. This year's Marathon Weekend was a complete 7 day-71 mile event with a 5K, 10K, 1/2 marathon, marathon, plus my added 1/2 marathon, 10K and 5K. Not too bad for a 64yo who never walked more than 35 miles in a month even when Ironman training. BTW, I added an additional 9 miles for 80 total in 9 days then the Celebration Marathon 10 days later for 106 miles in January. I wanted to usher in my 65th birthday year in a special way.

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Yes, that is precisely the point of my post -- the "agony of de feet" holds many of us back while running. I never had much speed, and I have definitely never been a sprinter (dominantly slow twitch musculature), but even in my 40s I could do 2 miles in 12 minutes, which had been the standard when I was in high school.

My cycling speed on flat land, particularly against a headwind, is nothing to brag about, either, but I am still a pretty good hill climber. Likewise, I can hold my own on uphill hikes, where foot, ankle, and knee issues do not hold me back as much as the pounding of running does. My walking pace is a pretty good 13 min/mi., but again not enough to get me winded.
You could very well quicken your pace if you perfect a Chi Walking style. My best walking 5K is 27:32 and best half marathon is 2:11:10.
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... You could very well quicken your pace if you perfect a Chi Walking style. My best walking 5K is 27:32 and best half marathon is 2:11:10.
I have considered that in the past, but at this age it seems like better advice than ever.
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Originally Posted by obed7 View Post
all of you listed physical reasons for riding a bike vs running...
I get that... but my reason is riding a bike is just plain fun... running is just plain not fun.
Running is a lot of fun. Just watch children. The problem as adults is you have to get in decent shape to enjoy it and that takes time. I probably ran several times a week for maybe three or four months before I got to enjoy it. It took a year before I couldn't stand missing more than a couple days in a row. I also enjoyed running with a group of friends at lunch - we laughed, argued, talked bout serious stuff, and had a ball.
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cycling is fun, running isn't.
That about says it all for me.
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cycling is fun, running isn't.
That about says it all for me.
This seems to be the drift, but I'll disagree. Cycling usually bores me, but running was a hoot ... especially trail running. My Achilles went bad end of last year so now I mix it up with cycling, spin and whatever. I'll drag myself through a careful run once a week but all the speed is gone and I can't do intervals and hills, so I agree with OP that running isn't the workout it once was. Oh to be young again.... Well, maybe next year.
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For folks who enjoy running, more power to you. I do not enjoy running and never did. I did it, but it was never fun. Hell, I was on the track team from junior high all the way thru high school...I held the state record in one event for a couple of years back in the early 1960's... it was not fun...I actually did not enjoy bicycles much as a kid, I gave up bicycles when I gave up my paper route... then it became motorcycles...
I did not ride bicycles again for over 40 years, but when I took it back up for health reasons I came to enjoy it, I admit that at first I did not, but it grew on me....at first it was just a less boring way of getting the exercise my doctor demanded I get...now i truly enjoy it. Running I still hate and since I know longer worry about things like making coaches happy, I don't do it.
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yeah I used to run I would mash the cushion out of a hundred dollar pair of shoes in 3 months then the impacts went straight into my knee joints and ankles Running maybe fun for some but they are definitely begging for knee replacement surgery..it's simple every step is a landing when you're good and smooth it's still an impact no thank you not my cup of tea but to each his own run on runners......
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cycling is fun, running isn't.
That about says it all for me.
It's great that we can all find some form of exercise that we can enjoy, and life would be very boring if we all had the same tastes.

Personally I've never found riding long, steep climbs fun, and the only reason I do it is to get to the the other side of the hills, but I know other madmen on this forum love it.

I also hated running in school, especially when forced to do it on frosty January mornings, but once I started running to keep fit in my 20s I found I loved cross-country running, particularly in the hills. Road running otoh has always been a bit of a drag.
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I"m a runner and have gone from 220 (maybe 225 at my very max) down to 208, where I presently am stuck at. I started doing 2 mile runs, then 3 mile runs. Then a very fast 1 mile run as fast I could handle it. Repeat as necessary...

Over time, I have increased my distance and endurance, so I can do 5K's and even 10K's and not have any trouble. The biggest thing that worked for me, was getting a pair of those orthotic insoles that I put inside my Adidas running shoes. The extra cushioning really helped tremendously, and I don't have any foot pain, knee pain, etc... and like the "little engine that could", I just keep on going...

Also, I have found that as a 54 yr old and 6'0", that I burn the equal calories of a 5K (3.10 mi) run or an easy 6 mile bicycle ride. Both come out to roughly 768 calories burned. Interesting...
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Long time runner, running along with all other impact sports is now degenerative lower back issues out for me. For the last few years it's been a recumbent stationary in my basement gym to keep up with the cardio. This year I rebelled and back on the road with my promise to Doc to not overcook.
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I don't know about the rest of you, but at this age I can get a better cardio workout from cycling than from running, because of orthopedic limitations.

I ran the annual Triton 5K yesterday, a flat mostly-asphalt / some-concrete tour of our campus (UC San Diego). I placed 4th out of 18 in my men age 61 to 66 bracket, with a time of 29:41. I was not breathing hard and felt as though I could have pushed the heart and lungs to greater speed and/or a longer distance, but I was concerned about plantar fasciitis (currently not a problem, but been there ... done that) and my chronic Achilles' tendon issues. The Achilles was sore that evening, but felt OK today for my bike ride and workout at the Y.
Your first sentence says it all. Why beat the hell out of your joints when you can get just as good of a work out on a bike.
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My cycling speed on flat land, particularly against a headwind, is nothing to brag about, either, but I am still a pretty good hill climber. Likewise, I can hold my own on uphill hikes, where foot, ankle, and knee issues do not hold me back as much as the pounding of running does.
Hill climbing, either on the bike or on foot, is mostly determined by watts/kg while cycling speed on flat land is mostly determined by watts/CdA. So it sounds like your power output is good for your body weight but you're a parachute. When you run, you're holding back for fear of injury.
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