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My usual rides are on one of 4 loops that are right at 30 miles each. However a whim will take me off the usual route if something catches my eye.
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Originally Posted by jon c.
(Post 17910836)
I don't plan much, but ride in a rural area where I know all the roads so I really couldn't get lost if I tried.
(misc note) Where I live, cars that bring me trouble -- Excessively Close Side Contact. They are typically from 2 states: 1 of the 2 states being of Florida 'plates. The other being Texas) |
Originally Posted by rydabent
(Post 17912836)
My usual rides are on one of 4 loops that are right at 30 miles each. However a whim will take me off the usual route if something catches my eye.
Today I was ready for a 40 mile ride and though there are several 40 mile loops I can do from my driveway, there just wasn't anything that suited my mood. So I drove to a western suburb where I knew I could park near a good bike route and then rode further west. The first 10 miles was a familiar route, but then I rode past my mental map to new territory. I ended up in a nature preserve that has paved bike trails (an accident, I didn't know it was there) and turned east in the general direction of the car after 20 miles. Adventure! |
Other than when I'm riding between states and have a definite date that I need to arrive, I rarely plan my rides. Sometimes I'll let the wind tell me which way to go (it is possible to do a loop with all tail winds, if you have the right geography). Sometimes I just head out and explore some road that I've never ridden on before.
Oddly, the last time I troubled myself to plan a ride was last year. My wife and I were riding in our favorite area (known as the O&C lands) and we actually plotted out a ride on ridewithgps and brought a tablet with us that has a gps. We dutifully followed the gravel road that was indicated right to where it ceased to exist. After a nice chuckle, we rode back up to the ridge and explored a different logging road that took us to a familiar road. That ride has since become a favorite of ours that we nicknamed Sugar because it involves riding on the C-line and turning onto the H-line (C&H Sugar). |
I mostly do club rides so I just show up and follow the group.If I do plan a ride it's usually a last minute thing, I just grab enough food and figure out where to get water. When I get out there I decide when to turn back depending on how I feel.
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Looigi I,
I should have said I plan all of my rides by making a map that I can access on my smart phone or my Garmin. I may ride a training ride without the map but it gets down loaded to Strave, mapmyride and Ridewithgps. They download automatically from Garmin Express. And it transfers my activity to Myfitnesspal and the health program on my IPhone. |
Originally Posted by Jarrettsin
(Post 17910761)
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I need a plan, and a destination winging it doesn't work for me. So do you plan or wing it? It doesn't matter whether I plan or not, because you'll still need to plan either way. For me, planning is a matter of circumstances. On local rides I generally have a sense of what I want to do, and don't care if I get lost -- or to put it nicely, go exploring. It's all riding so it doesn't really matter where I do it, or even if I know. OTOH on longer rides with a specific destination, and riding range or time to consider, I do some basic route planning and at a minimum, have some sense of where I'm going, how I'm getting there, and how long it's take. When doing multi-day touring, I'll roughly plan day to day, but I carry a map (you know, folded paper) and feel free to take detours if something interesting happens along the way. To tho OP, you're starting in the Bronx and there are a number of good routes that take you out to City Island or up to lower Westchester. If coming to Westchester you can roughly parallel one of the 3 Metro North lines, and if you get lost or tired, work your way to the nearest station and Rail back to the nearest stop to your home. That opens up more nicer riding, and should relieve worries about getting lost. Metro North is very liberal about taking bikes on off peak trains, but you'll need to go to Grand Central Station and buy the blue permit (lifetime, and cheap) because some conductors will ask for it. BTW- I've ridden as far as Montreal, Philadelphia, and Rochester, riding no map, and just kind of winging it and keeping to a general direction. |
Well I'm not getting lost in my own neighborhood the point was my range has gotten large enough to get out of my comfort zone, plus there is using my car to get me to different starting points.
I've ridden as far as Montreal, Philadelphia, and Rochester, riding no map, and just kind of winging it and keeping to a general direction. To tho OP, you're starting in the Bronx and there are a number of good routes that take you out to City Island or up to lower Westchester. |
I ride mostly in the woods, many rides are pretty remote but I cannot Imagine how I could get lost,,I always have my Smart phone and It's GPS and,,google Earth...
. . .Plus I can look up and see the sun or stars, I know how the planets move,,, Getting lost In this day and age ? Really ? |
Like jon c. I live in a rural area and know it pretty well. Tough to get lost. My planning consists of choosing an approximate mileage and heading out the door. Routes can always be changed on the fly if the mood strikes and the body argues not. If I'm looking for something new, meaning tossing the bike in the car and driving, I can usually find routes of various lengths online in an area I'm interested in riding.
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I usually use Google Maps with the bicycling feature turned on, to explore new routes so that I know where I'm going when I try them, but when it comes to planning a ride, I usually just go out and pick a route from my grab-bag of favorites on the fly. I guess you could call this pre-planned randomness...
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26th post is a planner , takes all sorts..
I didn't even plan my Multi month long tours much . bought a new paper map when I ran off the edge of the last one Even In touring Other Countries. started in Dublin, departed from Aberdeen . got a visa extension at @ 6 months. |
Originally Posted by Jarrettsin
(Post 17914877)
Well I'm not getting lost in my own neighborhood the point was my range has gotten large enough to get out of my comfort zone, plus there is using my car to get me to different starting points.
..Don't forget Manhattan too, yes I have the trailheads to 3 major trails all within a 1.5 mile ride. Use them all the time Anyway, how I or anyone else plans or navigates rides is irrelevant to your situation. You mention your lack of sense of direction, so you need to do what's necessary to your needs. Options include carrying paper maps, or a cell phone with GPS and navigation. Another method is that used by children and animals as they learn their world. Develop a network of known arteries venturing out from home, and push beyond known roads in small increments adding to the network. This gives you a network of familiar territory which becomes a larger target to shoot for when lost. Now if you get side tracked you can use your limited sense of direction to head back toward home until you cross one of the routes you know, and then can turn onto it and head for home. This sense can be as wide or narrow as necessary. For example when I ride in Westchester, I have a few reference landmarks or boundaries such as the Hudson River and Long Island Sound, plus the various parkways, and maybe a few arterial road. So the county is divided into long narrow slices, and all I need to remember is what I'm between, ie. between the Bronx River and Hutchinson Parkway. Now if I'm lost, I can turn to either side, and when I hit a parkway, I know which way is toward home, and can parallel that until I hit roads I know. |
If I'm going out to somewhere new or somewhere I'm not too familiar with, I'll do some planning but don't mind getting lost. I have the smartphone that works for me. If in familiar territory, I play it by ear.
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Google maps bicycle mode and print out a couple of screen shots. Same for street mode. Also carry a hard copy of the local bicycle map. Guess I'm still old fashioned.
My bike route is planned in general. Go out this way, come back that way. Then I go to google earth and study the areas for places of interest and alternate routes. Maybe mark them down on my maps. Look at the weather just before I leave. |
I live on an island and it's impossible to get lost, at least on the roads (not so hiking in the mountains). I pretty much do the same routes every week, because they work the best. I might on occasion randomly ride up neighborhood streets, but that's more killing time than getting in a workout. Or riding into / through downtown wastes too much time at stop lights.
scott s. . |
I suspect that most riders have pretty much the same routes year after year, unless they go out of town or do an organized ride like a century ride.
How many?? Maybe a dozen and then its just a variation of that same dozen. Then once you've done those rides 10 times each, there's very little "planning" because you end up knowing them very well. |
consider geography and climate when deciding where to go. I live in a very bicycle friendly city that is challenged climate wise (Midwest) in terms of winds and also a minor but pervasive north-south slope across the whole state. We live in the middle of the slope. So, I usually look at the weather before I leave and take wind direction into consideration. No point having to pedal uphill AND against the wind on the way back.
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I usually don't plan rides. I'll check the weather forecast, but that's about it.
You are probably going to laugh, but I have an old Garmin eTrex Legend (the old blue one) handheld GPS (but with the bicycle handlebar mount), clipped onto my handlebars. Turn it on and go. I've been in the west end of Richmond, VA since 1996 and know all the streets, side streets, shortcuts, etc... so it's darn near impossible to get lost. |
My bike takes me places, it's really nice that way. Sometimes it follows other people, maybe they plan, I don't know, never ask.
Marc |
Another no planner here. Local roads I know and if it's a ride in an area unfamiliar to me I follow the leader.
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I have small children and my wife is doing a master's on top of her full-time job, so I don't get time for very long rides (40 miles max.)
No big hills around here, mostly rolling terrain, but strong winds are a factor. I generally head off vaguely into the wind until I finish the first water bottle, then head back along a different route. I know the area, so getting lost is not a concern. |
Get on bike...go. When you're done, stop; if you're not home, it's a multi-day ride.
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Originally Posted by MidLife50
(Post 17911306)
I'm like the OP. I'm almost 58, have just started riding after 20yrs+ and am almost always focused on having a plan. Not because I'm afraid of getting lost, but because I want to know what to expect. I need to know the weather sure, but also approximate distances, routes and thinking through likely traffic situations. It's not a bad thing to be prepared, and I also let my family know where I'm going and when I might be expected back. It's just being considerate of others.
Hopefully, as I get more miles under my belt, I get more fit (able to do more miles and bigger hills), and I get more comfortable with traffic, I'll be able to do more riding without planning. So, it looks like more experienced riders are more likely to do unplanned rides. GH |
The only planning I do is how much mileage do I want to cover in a given week and how much climbing do I 'need' to do during that week. Don't worry too much about getting lost, if you're riding in a familiar area. Worry more about getting back to your starting point. Depending on how far you go, remember that you still have to make it back home, so add that to the plan. When you reach the turnaround point, you're only half way there. ;-)
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Originally Posted by MidLife50
(Post 17911306)
I'm like the OP. I'm almost 58, have just started riding after 20yrs+ and am almost always focused on having a plan. Not because I'm afraid of getting lost, but because I want to know what to expect. I need to know the weather sure, but also approximate distances, routes and thinking through likely traffic situations. It's not a bad thing to be prepared, and I also let my family know where I'm going and when I might be expected back. It's just being considerate of others.
Pretty sure ALOT more people get lost and/or hurt on short trips in their car. |
So do I plan my rides? No. The length and direction of my rides can literally be determined by which way the blows.
I am retired, and here in the Midwest were I live we don't have the best weather. I've ridden 67 times so far this year. I try to plan my tasks and chores around the weather and my cycling. Things like shopping and haircuts can be done on rainy days. Grass mowing can be done on cold, very windy, and extremely hot days. Any decent [weather] day... is potentially a cycling day. I have several different routes I ride. I have three versions of my short ride (6, 10, 14 miles). My regular 10 mile ride to the post office (that I often stretch out much further). Two different 20 mile loops, two different 25 mile out-and-backs, a thirty mile ride. A 42 mile out and back (my favorite). All these rides (and a few others) I sometime combine, or modify. I try to add in destination cycling. I like to stop at (go to) somewhere interesting and take a selfie for facebook. I hope to inspire my old friends to join me in the fun even if we live too far apart to cycle together. These rides take me "off course" and keeps the scenery fresh and interesting. |
Most of my rides are commuting and errands, or otherwise in fairly well known areas.
So, I hop on my bike, then start planning the route I'm going to take. Which paths, trails, and arterials through town. Which traffic lights to hit, etc. Usually I've planned a turn a few blocks before the turn... but occasionally the plan changes after I've already passed the turn and then I have to decide to backtrack or plan a new route. If something is far out of my "normal", such as my recent Eugene to Portland ride, I did look at maps, and print out the Oregon Scenic Bikeway map and cue sheet before the ride, as well as choosing my bike and give my bike a general tune-up a couple days before the ride. I still was missing a few important details such as a total mileage as my planned route diverged from the Scenic Bikeway in a few places. I suppose, if I'm generally familiar with the area, for a sub-century ride, I'll think of the start and destination and do most of the planning on the fly. It depends on other rides through unfamiliar territory. Perhaps plan parts of the unfamiliar routes (or print a map), and improvise the familiar parts. Sometimes it is good to just hunt for new routes, bike paths, and experiences. |
Originally Posted by bakes1
(Post 17947094)
So I take it than that every time you get in your car you do the same? Plan routes and inform family?
Pretty sure ALOT more people get lost and/or hurt on short trips in their car. |
Originally Posted by MidLife50
(Post 17947699)
I've been driving 42 years and biking exactly one month...but I still typically let the family know where I'm going. It's just common courtesy... as well as a good habit.
It's good to know that in a forum designated for people having lived on this planet for 50 years or more you have personally decided to define each of those terms for the rest of us. I guess all the people in this post that stated they simply just get on their bikes and ride are not considerate or courteous? It's all good though :) To each his own and I am stepping off my soap box, sorry. |
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