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Old 07-30-15, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
So if you just can't go any faster, the limit could be your heart or your legs? For you exercise physiology specialists, does this make any sense?
That's my experience, anyway. If you can max out your legs on 150 bpm, then you won't see your MHR until your legs get stronger. Conversely, maybe your legs are ready to pour it on but your heart is already at your MHR. Do it regularly and your heart will get stronger, then you'll be back to the first condition.

BTW I can't hold 30 for 2 miles either; but trying to do so will get you to the the right point.
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Old 07-30-15, 01:58 PM
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This is an old thread, but I was reminded of it the other day during a ride. I was working pretty hard and trying to push myself harder, and I was up at 172 BPM, and then I just felt like I needed to ease off. So then after my ride I went back and l looked back at rides when I have seen the upper 170s. I can't find a solo ride where I got above 175 (though I admit, I've only had the monitor for a year - I'm pretty sure that there were some cases where I got above there during very steep hill repeats before I had data.) But there are quite a few group rides where I get above 175. These are almost always in a tough group when I am trying to keep up with stronger riders - trying to keep from getting dropped on a long hill, or trying to keep from getting dropped in a fast pace line after doing my less than equal share of the pulling. Then I see 177, 178, and, a few times, 180. I've never seen 181. My HR zones are set for a MHR of 180. I've never done a LT test, so I think 180 is a reasonable guess.

So Blazing Pedals has the right explanation. The OP thinks he's at his limit, but he's easing off before he's really at his limit.

As to what Road Fan just wrote, yes and no. It's true that you may not have the legs to really reach your maximum by "going fast", but even if you think you are leg-limited (as we all are on some days), you can reach your MHR by sustaining your maximum effort for a longer time than you are usually comfortable. It's not just going fast, but sustaining it that will get your HR really up there
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Old 07-30-15, 03:19 PM
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I'm not sure you even want to go out on your bike to find your max. I was hammering up a climb last week and (according to the cardiologist) I tore a bit of my heart muscle while sustaining 175 bpm (I'm 65) and it was on a long climb I know well so I sure wasn't hammering as much as I could (I had seen 187 bpm a month or two ago).

And . . . I know it's senseless to tell you go easy out there while trying to find your max heart rate; that's not how it works! Just saying that before you go all out, you may want to check with your doctor. My cardiologist has limited me to 165 bpm now.

Which, of course, has to be via my self-limiting . . . and watching my heart rate on my Garmin, but still; I am trying to keep to that - much lower than max - limit.

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Old 07-30-15, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR View Post
I'm not sure you even want to go out on your bike to find your max. I was hammering up a climb last week and (according to the cardiologist) I tore a bit of my heart muscle while sustaining 175 bpm (I'm 65) and it was on a long climb I know well so I sure wasn't hammering as much as I could (I had seen 187 bpm a month or two ago).

And . . . I know it's senseless to tell you go easy out there while trying to find your max heart rate; that's not how it works! Just saying that before you go all out, you may want to check with your doctor. My cardiologist has limited me to 165 bpm now.

Which, of course, has to be via my self-limiting . . . and watching my heart rate on my Garmin, but still; I am trying to keep to that - much lower than max - limit.

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OK, that's scary. What happened to let you know that you were doing something bad and that you needed to go see a cardiiologist?

Some years ago I was really pushing myself on an indoor cycle in a gym, near my MHR, and I just had this feeling of malaise and the urgent need to get my HR down. I recovered with no other apparent effects, and I have not had a repeat experience, even though I have, as I wrote, been near the MHR quite a lot on my bike. BUT, ever since then, my Recovery Heart Rate (HR reduction 60 seconds after a maximum effort) has been noticeably worse than it had been before, and I've always wondered if I did some damage that day....
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Old 07-30-15, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
OK, that's scary. What happened to let you know that you were doing something bad and that you needed to go see a cardiiologist? .
My health care is through Kaiser Permanente and when I went in with chest pain from the heart muscle tear (I didn't know what it was at first) they sent me to the cardiologist. I did well on the stress test and he was actually impressed with my recovery time. That said, he was very adamant about sticking to the 165 bpm limit in the future.

So far, so good. I have a century with over 8,000 ft. of climbing coming up this Saturday, so I'll have to see how that goes (with my 165 red-line).

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Old 08-02-15, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR View Post
My health care is through Kaiser Permanente and when I went in with chest pain from the heart muscle tear (I didn't know what it was at first) they sent me to the cardiologist. I did well on the stress test and he was actually impressed with my recovery time. That said, he was very adamant about sticking to the 165 bpm limit in the future.

So far, so good. I have a century with over 8,000 ft. of climbing coming up this Saturday, so I'll have to see how that goes (with my 165 red-line).

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Century went well, here it is on Strava. Note max heart rate was only 158. https://www.strava.com/activities/360020759

Here it is on Garmin if you're not a member of Strava: https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/853235576

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Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR View Post
Century went well, here it is on Strava. Note max heart rate was only 158. https://www.strava.com/activities/360020759

Here it is on Garmin if you're not a member of Strava: https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/853235576

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Great job. That's a pretty tough century, too.
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Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
Great job. That's a pretty tough century, too.
True MinnMan, If you simply look at the miles and the elevation is does look tough. On the other side of the coin, however, they feed us so good, it almost feels like the most luxury century too. Over the four route choices they had 2,000 riders, so a fairly large event.

Food highlights at the checkpoints:
@1. Dark Chocolate covered blueberries
@2. Freshly cooked bacon (you could smell it two miles away)
@3. BBQ ribs, probably the best I've ever tasted
@4. Smoothies (I had two!).
@5. Lots of fresh fruit plus ice for bottles appreciated here
@6. Chocolate fountain. To dip in the chocolate; graham crackers, pineapple, marsh-mellows, strawberries and dates.
@7. A mister you could ride through, multi-flavored pop-sickles.

Amazing event. Tour de Big Bear. If you're in the area in August, try it!

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Old 08-12-15, 12:13 PM
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Two cents from a guy who coaches a variety of folks of different ages at a national level...

Max HR is like shoe size as a predictor of cycling ability. Everyone is different, and it's irrelevant. I have 16 y/o kids who barely crack 180 and a 53 y/o guy who regularly goes over 200. It's genetic and seldom moves with training. Tends to go down as you get past 50. The formula that gets thrown around is taking your height and weight to determine shoe size.

Within the confines of what YOUR max HR is not being able to hit it can be an indicator of a lot of different things. Fatigue, dehydration, Etc.
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Old 08-12-15, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
Two cents from a guy who coaches a variety of folks of different ages at a national level...

Max HR is like shoe size as a predictor of cycling ability. Everyone is different, and it's irrelevant. I have 16 y/o kids who barely crack 180 and a 53 y/o guy who regularly goes over 200. It's genetic and seldom moves with training. Tends to go down as you get past 50. The formula that gets thrown around is taking your height and weight to determine shoe size.

Within the confines of what YOUR max HR is not being able to hit it can be an indicator of a lot of different things. Fatigue, dehydration, Etc.
As i said above before. several weeks ago i had rode with 2 others guys my same age on the identical 20 mile ride i do every single day. 20MPH is about my max for any duration and when we came back, my heart rate was around 137 average and both of them was over 170 for the EXACT same thing..I just must be a 62 year old slacker..
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Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR View Post
I'm not sure you even want to go out on your bike to find your max. I was hammering up a climb last week and (according to the cardiologist) I tore a bit of my heart muscle while sustaining 175 bpm (I'm 65) and it was on a long climb I know well so I sure wasn't hammering as much as I could (I had seen 187 bpm a month or two ago).

And . . . I know it's senseless to tell you go easy out there while trying to find your max heart rate; that's not how it works! Just saying that before you go all out, you may want to check with your doctor. My cardiologist has limited me to 165 bpm now.

Which, of course, has to be via my self-limiting . . . and watching my heart rate on my Garmin, but still; I am trying to keep to that - much lower than max - limit.

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I was jogging on the treadmill a few weeks ago (not something I usually do) HR steady in the 150's, and it scared the snot out of me when it suddenly jumped to the 220's. Several times. I'm 99% sure that it was just spurious readings by the built-in hr monitor, but that 1% uncertainty still scares me. I'm more inclined to stick with the bike now.
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I was jogging on the treadmill a few weeks ago (not something I usually do) HR steady in the 150's, and it scared the snot out of me when it suddenly jumped to the 220's. Several times. I'm 99% sure that it was just spurious readings by the built-in hr monitor, but that 1% uncertainty still scares me. I'm more inclined to stick with the bike now.
I agree, it probably was an incorrect reading, but still . . . kind of scary! I'd never been on a treadmill before the cardiologist put me on one. It started out slow and then every couple of minutes he'd up the speed and the incline. Kind of fun, since I'd never done it before. I kept asking for more speed and incline but when my bpm's got to 165 he wouldn't let me run anymore (even though I was capable, I thought, of more intensity).

Been in the process of learning to keep to the 165 limit and so far so good.

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Originally Posted by trekmogul View Post
As i said above before. several weeks ago i had rode with 2 others guys my same age on the identical 20 mile ride i do every single day. 20MPH is about my max for any duration and when we came back, my heart rate was around 137 average and both of them was over 170 for the EXACT same thing..I just must be a 62 year old slacker..
FWIW, I'm 63 and that's about what I would average as well. You ain't no slacker.
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Going for a Strava segment on Tuesday night, I think I timed it just about right. The air became strangely devoid of oxygen at just about the same time as my legs started cooking off the bone. I did what any respectable Strava member would do - I took out one of those payday loans for more oxygen!

Almost fell off my bike while I was trying to repay that loan!
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Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR View Post
I agree, it probably was an incorrect reading, but still . . . kind of scary! I'd never been on a treadmill before the cardiologist put me on one. It started out slow and then every couple of minutes he'd up the speed and the incline. Kind of fun, since I'd never done it before. I kept asking for more speed and incline but when my bpm's got to 165 he wouldn't let me run anymore (even though I was capable, I thought, of more intensity).

Been in the process of learning to keep to the 165 limit and so far so good.

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On my older Polar chest-strap HRM I would get 220 bpm when under certain power lines. I think the HRM gets screwy due to interference from those power lines. The current in all parts of the power grid is not the same within a region. Another hypothethesis is there might be an avid HAM radio guy in the neighborhood, creating loads of extra electrical noise. But, it's not your heart.

Learning to keep to the 165 limit? When I had that test done they only took me up to 95% of the standard formula. I already knew from my riding that I could at hard moments go through the formula (220-age) max. It didn't feel that hard, and it was kinda fun! But they didn't tell me not to work not higher than any particular limit.
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On my older Polar chest-strap HRM I would get 220 bpm when under certain power lines. I think the HRM gets screwy due to interference from those power lines. The current in all parts of the power grid is not the same within a region. Another hypothethesis is there might be an avid HAM radio guy in the neighborhood, creating loads of extra electrical noise. But, it's not your heart.

Learning to keep to the 165 limit? When I had that test done they only took me up to 95% of the standard formula. I already knew from my riding that I could at hard moments go through the formula (220-age) max. It didn't feel that hard, and it was kinda fun! But they didn't tell me not to work not higher than any particular limit.

But I haven't had an injury, either! My theory has always been that it isn't necessarily safe work up to your limit - finding LT is good enough for us amateurs. I'm sad it took an injury to a person I know (at least here!!) to demonstrate that I was sadly correct.

Sounds like you can keep riding and having fun, with care.
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Learning to keep to the 165 limit? When I had that test done they only took me up to 95% of the standard formula. I already knew from my riding that I could at hard moments go through the formula (220-age) max. It didn't feel that hard, and it was kinda fun! But they didn't tell me not to work not higher than any particular limit.
Yes Road Fan,
It's quite likely that the cardiologist took me to 165 bpm based on the standard formula. My feeling is that the standard formula is for "standard people" who don't exercise anywhere near what we do. I am, however, trying to be true to that limit (my wife looks at my Garmin stats to check-up on me!) but I know I can go to 170+ when necessary, i.e. brutal climbs.

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What's your MHR when running? I can get my heart rate up there better while running.
I have trouble getting near 150 on a bike but can easily hit 160's running up hills.
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For most of my 37 mile, moderate to slowish speed (15.x average) ride today, my HR stayed in the 145-165 range more or less, but I spiked it twice over 175. One was on an Interstate highway overpass and the other after stopping at a 4-way stop. It came back down to my average range in a few minutes, but not immediately. Still, absolutely no shadow of chest pain, tightness, tingling, numbness, whatever... today or ever in the past.

My BP is pretty moderate for my age and (lack of? ) fitness: "Truly resting" numbers range between 115/70 to 125/85, with pulse between 65-75. My doc says my numbers look good and "keep on doing whatever you're doing". I guess I just have a higher-than-standard-formula HR when exercising. Maybe that will come down over time.
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Yes Road Fan,
It's quite likely that the cardiologist took me to 165 bpm based on the standard formula. My feeling is that the standard formula is for "standard people" who don't exercise anywhere near what we do. I am, however, trying to be true to that limit (my wife looks at my Garmin stats to check-up on me!) but I know I can go to 170+ when necessary, i.e. brutal climbs.

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Rick,

I have a similar problem with the standard formula, but really, the cardios are making judgments based on statistics while watching your actual physical behavior pretty carefully. So my rationale is that as public practitioners they need a standard procedure to evaluate patients' critical characteristics within a common standard of practice, and to protect the patient they need (and have) a way to decide if any oddness they see is really a problem, as its happening. So I'm not worried. And in the 5 years after that I've had no problems, even though I've grown my cycling quite a bit.

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