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Old 10-30-15, 03:59 PM
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The WHO warning about red meat and colon cancer.

To stay within normal weight/height recommendations, many people, myself included, limit carbohydrate intake. That usually means eating more meat. After this came out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/27/he...meat.html?_r=0

I've been thinking about another colonoscopy- just had one ten years ago at 51. Damn it, there are pitfalls everywhere!
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Hey ... it never made sense to me, but I thought pork was considered a "white" meat.
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Living in this day and age, if you lived by only drinking water, someone, somewhere would find something in it that would cause cancer. If you notice, not one of those studies use the word "will" but instead use words like "can, may, probably, could, etc." In other words, they really don't know for sure what causes cancer. Next years report will say that meat is healthy and potato's are bad for you. I gave up worrying about it years ago. Man's been eating meat since the beginning of time. Eat whatever you want in moderation and go out and ride.
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WHO=Commies. They want to control you.
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Originally Posted by Shp4man View Post
To stay within normal weight/height recommendations, many people, myself included, limit carbohydrate intake.
I limit calories and try to eat a well varied diet including veggies, legumes, grains, nuts, meats, dairy, eggs, etc... It works for me but isn't automatic. I do have to work at it.

I figure if I keep it varied, any one thing will only kill me a little.
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Originally Posted by John_V View Post
Living in this day and age, if you lived by only drinking water, someone, somewhere would find something in it that would cause cancer. If you notice, not one of those studies use the word "will" but instead use words like "can, may, probably, could, etc." In other words, they really don't know for sure what causes cancer. Next years report will say that meat is healthy and potato's are bad for you. I gave up worrying about it years ago. Man's been eating meat since the beginning of time. Eat whatever you want in moderation and go out and ride.
+1

I took your advice and went for one of these this morning. I'm so ashamed.

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Moderation in all things said the gentleman eating just a small bit of arsenic. NO - just kidding here . Truly, lots of fruit, veggies, a very little red meat whole grains, no soda, etc.
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Originally Posted by Biker395 View Post
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I took your advice and went for one of these this morning. I'm so ashamed.

That's pink, not red. Cook it a little longer and the pink will go away. The WHO (talkin' bout my g-g-g-generation) didn't mention doughnuts, did they?
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'It's got to be crispy': Woman, 105, says bacon key to longevity* - TODAY.com

World's Oldest Woman Says She Eats Bacon Daily : LIFE : Tech Times

I couldn't find the exact quote but among his many commentaries on cigars and other vices George Burns once said something to the effect of "The doctor that told me to give up cigars, he's dead. The doctor that told me to quit drinking . . . dead. The doctor that told me to avoid younger women . . . I don't hold out much hope for him either."
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Originally Posted by Looigi View Post

I figure if I keep it varied, any one thing will only kill me a little.
+1

Words to live by!!
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Originally Posted by John_V View Post
Living in this day and age, if you lived by only drinking water, someone, somewhere would find something in it that would cause cancer. If you notice, not one of those studies use the word "will" but instead use words like "can, may, probably, could, etc." In other words, they really don't know for sure what causes cancer. Next years report will say that meat is healthy and potato's are bad for you. I gave up worrying about it years ago. Man's been eating meat since the beginning of time. Eat whatever you want in moderation and go out and ride.
Another +1
The great Joe Jackson said (sang) it all back in the early '80s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oDAkmfoAgA
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I'm not too bothered. How many in the study group were cyclists?
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WHO??

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Originally Posted by Biker395 View Post
Hey ... it never made sense to me, but I thought pork was considered a "white" meat.
Like I saw on a bumper sticker one: "Cats - The other white meat"

...and just so I don't get in trouble, I share my home with two human females and four felines (male and female). And, I happen to enjoy the felines very much, thank you. But I can still see the humor in it.
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Originally Posted by Shp4man View Post
I've been thinking about another colonoscopy- just had one ten years ago at 51.
I had my first at 50 and at 53 decided to have another. They found a per-cancerous polyp at the corner of the transverse colon. The doctor asked me why I decided to have another 3 years later and if i had any symptoms. I told him, no symptoms, he said you just saved your life. If you waited a few more years you would of had a tumor. I was given the option of surgery where they remove a section or see a specialist than might be able to remove it during a colonoscopy. I opted for the specialist and it was removed in the Dr's office. I've been checked yearly and not on a 3 year recheck with no regrowth.

I strongly suggest getting checked at 50 and every 5 years... unless you ave a family history.

The life you save, might be your own.
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As an old Farside cartoon scientist declared, "Everything doesn't cause cancer. Everything causes dioxin." Of course, dioxin causes cancer, so there you have it.

I gave up red meat over twenty years ago. I was waiting on something or other in my lab one night so I wandered down the hall to the pathology library to pass the time reading. I happened upon a paper from Wisconsin in which a pathologist had investigated a large number of people who had allegedly died of Alzheimer's at relatively young ages (in their fifties and sixties). He demonstrated that over 80% of them had actually died of variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, aka mad cow disease. He concluded that contrary to USDA reports, the US beef supply harbored mad cow prions and should be avoided. Subsequent work showed him to be correct, although we still don't adequately test for this so data is sparse. Project Censored, out of Sonoma State, subsequently cited work in this area as among the top ten most censored news stories back in the '90s.

Cancer, schmancer, we're all going to die. I just want to keep what's left of my marbles intact until I ride that hard descent into wherever.
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The WHO is about health & statistics for the entire planet, therefore small percentages represent large numbers. Statistically meat eaters have a greater chance of getting cancer.

If you care about statistics and playing the odds, eat a Mediterranean diet.

If you could care less about statistics:
  • eat steak
  • martini's for lunch
  • toss your helmet
  • and have a cigar
As an individual YMMV.

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Who is WHO?

If we're not supposed to eat meat then why is the word "eat" in the name?
If we're not supposed to eat meat then why does it taste so good?
I could go on but ......

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Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post

Cancer, schmancer, we're all going to die. I just want to keep what's left of my marbles intact until I ride that hard descent into wherever.
There it is.

I dont smoke, drink or even smoke marijuana and havent since April 5 1981. Since 1973 I have continually stayed in condition with weight training and cycling. This is what I tell my doctor: I am NOT in your study group and will be the odd one you have on your records, make special note of it. It took him a year but he now realizes the fact. I'm not a health food purist but I do care for what I eat. Give me venison, chicken, pork/ham/BACON....and the occasional burger on the grill.
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I'll give you my bacon sandwich when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

(although the WHO says this could be the eventual cause of my cold dead hands)

As the real Who said "Why don't they all f-fade away" and stop trying to nanny us around.
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Keep in mind that the WHO report only states a strong correlation between processed meat and colo-rectal cancer, and a weaker correlation between red meat and colo-rectal cancer. It does not make any specific dietary recommendations. As others have noted, eat what you like, in moderation. There are reasons beyond cancer risk to limit meat consumption. If you have a family history of colo-rectal cancer, it would be prudent to discuss the risks with your physician.

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Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
As an old Farside cartoon scientist declared, "Everything doesn't cause cancer. Everything causes dioxin." Of course, dioxin causes cancer, so there you have it.

I gave up red meat over twenty years ago. I was waiting on something or other in my lab one night so I wandered down the hall to the pathology library to pass the time reading. I happened upon a paper from Wisconsin in which a pathologist had investigated a large number of people who had allegedly died of Alzheimer's at relatively young ages (in their fifties and sixties). He demonstrated that over 80% of them had actually died of variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, aka mad cow disease. He concluded that contrary to USDA reports, the US beef supply harbored mad cow prions and should be avoided. Subsequent work showed him to be correct, although we still don't adequately test for this so data is sparse. Project Censored, out of Sonoma State, subsequently cited work in this area as among the top ten most censored news stories back in the '90s.

Cancer, schmancer, we're all going to die. I just want to keep what's left of my marbles intact until I ride that hard descent into wherever.
Yes, this is true. The US prohibits private testing for mad cow. I think we are the only country to prohibit private testing.
USDA Prohibits Mad-Cow Tests By Outside Labs, Causing Outcry - WSJ

Of course the other issue is that in the US, 80% of antibiotics are used in animal feed.
Should We Continue to Feed Antibiotics to Livestock?
according to the federal Interagency Task Force on Antimicrobial Resistance, [t]he extensive use of antimicrobial drugs has resulted in drug resistance that threatens to reverse the medical advances of the last seventy years.
Then there's the issue of fat/protein composition of feed lot meat and the fatty acid ratios in that fat.
Effect of feeding systems on omega-3 fatty acids, conjugated linoleic acid and trans fatty acids in Australian beef cuts: potential impact on human... - PubMed - NCBI
There was a significantly higher level of total omega-3 (n-3) and long chain n-3 FA in grass-fed beef (P< 0.0001) than the grain-fed groups regardless of cut types
OTOH if you kill and process your own wild meat, I don't think there's any risk at all to meat consumption. In fact, it's probably a good thing. But otherwise, beware. It's not just about colon cancer.
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By the way, colonoscopies carry their own risk, its quite high. I had a mini colonoscopy and was offered a choice who did it. I asked for a nice gentle female.
She was about to go on holiday, and was in a hurry. . .
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In the last few months I've been reading extensively about diet and antibiotics very bad effect on microbiota in the digestive system. There is plenty of evidence, which continues to grow, that lack of a healthy population of bacteria in the digestive system effects the immune system and many areas of health. Antibiotics kills all bacteria, even the necessary ones. Those bacteria are healthiest when fed a diet heavy in fiber. Fiber in the diet means much more than the the piece of lettuce and slice of tomato in a bacon/lettuce and tomato sandwich. Since this is a smart group of people, I would urge reading up on this topic.

As an aside, cancer rates and other health issues have been increasing in modern life. These health problems arise from genetic predisposition, (which is a bad card handed to us) and dietary and environmental effects which we can do something about. I once lived downwind of a coal fired power plant and left that job and moved to a healthier part of the country. Sometimes we have choices and sometime we don't. If we survey the areas of our lives where we a choice, diet is one of the easiest to effect.
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