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Ok I was nervous before ride today I am crazy

Old 11-06-16, 03:56 PM
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Ok I was nervous before ride today I am crazy

To explain I am a runner of 38 years and cyclist but more serious on the bike the last 8 years. I notice the past few years my running speed just going south. I decided to stop riding on 09-27-16 last ride and just run. So the last 7 weeks I have run everyday 4-7 miles and no riding. I manage to find my running legs and what seem to be muscles that misfire. My running pace increased by about 1 minute per mile for a typical 6 mile run.


I was running about 20-30 mile weeks with riding around 70-130 miles. This was too much tired legs not responding. So stopping the riding I went to 4o mile running weeks and averaging about 9:25 mile pace down from averaging 10:15 pace. This morning I did 6 miles at 9:25 pace no issues. The weather is perfect so road my bike this afternoon 19 miles in 62 minutes felt fine. My question really has weird purpose. I was nervous getting on the bike like I might have forgot how to ride and would this screw up my legs so they cannot differ between what it take to run verses what it takes to ride.


My conclusion is that frankly cross training has zero advantage unless you are injured and need to keep fitness up by riding a bike. If you want to ride fast and quick then forget running it will sap your strength for riding. If you want to run fast and quick the avoid the bike it will not do you any real good,


So my post about being nervous was just that and tomorrow will see how my morning ride goes. My goal is to get back to at really good long weekly/every two week ride that will not compromise running...................


I am the slowest runner on the planet but I can keep at it a long time. A blessing for sure.
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Old 11-06-16, 04:04 PM
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I run and ride. I ride only on weekends, roughly March-November, and I run pretty much every day that I don't ride, year round (missed 6 days in the last 12 months-travel and snowstorms). I run 8-10 K on workdays. If I run on weekends, it is anywhere from 8 K to 14 miles. I have not noticed that I am any faster during the months I am not riding (I time my runs to the nearest minute or so-look at the clock as I'm out the door and then when I get back in).
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Of course if you participate in triathlon/duathlon and give up one or the other...you suffer in the races.

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Old 11-06-16, 04:39 PM
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Blimey! I had to give up on running, plantir fascitis trouble (not through running) and I won`t risk a rerun (ha) of that, it`s bloody awful; you can`t walk without hobbling.

I used to run if i felt like it. Bike if i felt like it. Pushed hard but only for short times, always uphill stuff. I wasn`t after personal bests or non olympic records, I just did what i enjoyed rhen went home and did something else, According to her wishes.

Can`t really understand folk who rip themselves apart, for that is what you end up doing. maybe it`s the competitive stuff, racing against others. I can see that would make sense and motivate greatly.

I`m sometimes glad I`m pushing 70 . . . .I just do what i like. Mostly . .. It`s great!
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was a high-mileage runner for a decade...30-35 miles/week (~7:00 min pace).

if I had it to do over again, I'd keep the mileage much lower and focus on cycling and swimming.
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Old 11-06-16, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by deacon mark View Post
To explain I am a runner of 38 years and cyclist but more serious on the bike the last 8 years. I notice the past few years my running speed just going south. I decided to stop riding on 09-27-16 last ride and just run. So the last 7 weeks I have run everyday 4-7 miles and no riding. I manage to find my running legs and what seem to be muscles that misfire. My running pace increased by about 1 minute per mile for a typical 6 mile run.


I was running about 20-30 mile weeks with riding around 70-130 miles. This was too much tired legs not responding. So stopping the riding I went to 4o mile running weeks and averaging about 9:25 mile pace down from averaging 10:15 pace. This morning I did 6 miles at 9:25 pace no issues. The weather is perfect so road my bike this afternoon 19 miles in 62 minutes felt fine. My question really has weird purpose. I was nervous getting on the bike like I might have forgot how to ride and would this screw up my legs so they cannot differ between what it take to run verses what it takes to ride.


My conclusion is that frankly cross training has zero advantage unless you are injured and need to keep fitness up by riding a bike. If you want to ride fast and quick then forget running it will sap your strength for riding. If you want to run fast and quick the avoid the bike it will not do you any real good,


So my post about being nervous was just that and tomorrow will see how my morning ride goes. My goal is to get back to at really good long weekly/every two week ride that will not compromise running...................


I am the slowest runner on the planet but I can keep at it a long time. A blessing for sure.
Well, your criteria is speed, i.e. going nowhere fast. (and the crowd shouts USA, USA)

If your criteria was health and well-being, then cross-training could be a blessing. Otherwise, I agree that running and cycling are not complementary, though interval and hill running builds some serious cardio reserves.

..a very content 63yo runner, who doesn't track times...or distance.

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I would just suggest that judging any improvement by trying to "notice and feel" pace differences --is not exactly based in solid evidence (I have tried to do the same a few times). This following is anecdotal but more stats based...

A couple of my running friends were serious runners who ran distance and participated in regular "corporate relay" events at various middle to long distances. They both decided to plan a cross country bike ride (I almost joined them but my wife was pregnant with first child). They cut back running workouts and focused 80% on bike workouts for several months. On the next corporate relay event they both blew away their PR's (personal record) in all the events they ran. That certainly convinced them of the value of cross training.
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Cross training is good and required if you compete in duathlons or triathlons. Like any program running, you need to look at what your program is and look at the pace you need to accomplish your goals. I don't try to run 40 miles per week. I get in 3 runs per week, Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Monday is intervals or strides and I do about 7 miles. Wednesday is tempo day and that ends up being around 7 or 8 depending on what I'm trying to do while Friday is my long run day and varies between 10-16 miles. I ride 2 days per week with Saturday being the longest day. I sometimes run 1-2 miles when I get off the bike. Tuesday and Thursday are swim days.

I've found that I do best and run best if I stay on the tri bike. The setup is more conducive to running. This works for me, but YMMV.
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Originally Posted by dbg View Post
I would just suggest that judging any improvement by trying to "notice and feel" pace differences --is not exactly based in solid evidence (I have tried to do the same a few times). This following is anecdotal but more stats based...

A couple of my running friends were serious runners who ran distance and participated in regular "corporate relay" events at various middle to long distances. They both decided to plan a cross country bike ride (I almost joined them but my wife was pregnant with first child). They cut back running workouts and focused 80% on bike workouts for several months. On the next corporate relay event they both blew away their PR's (personal record) in all the events they ran. That certainly convinced them of the value of cross training.
Solid evidence for me is a track and knowing exact distance I have run. These are what I have that for myself show the bike seem to conflict with running stride. Have run 12 marathons and getting 3:06 as my best and 38:06 10k I know running inside and out. I believe the bike can help initially but if you do like me a really start riding 5000 miles a year my stride changed. I was never fast as such just lots of endurance. Some of it is just plan overtraining that I know.
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