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Old 06-24-17, 11:24 AM
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I Admit It. I Rotate/Swap Tires

Just did this with my Criterium Series. Michelin Krylions are too nice to throw both away when the rear tire begins to square off. I recall the debate on this from other times and places. So, after the swapperooni I was grinning. This set will finish the season.
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Old 06-24-17, 12:48 PM
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I am getting ready to swap my Continental Gatorskin tires. They have about 3400 miles on them and around 4000 I will make the swap.
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hi... my name is Steve and I'm a tire swapper. It's been 3 months since I swapped my last tire. It's great to be here with other folks with this same disease.


yeah, I've done it at times, and think that it's fine as long as the rear tire isn't too far gone. For cases where the tires are unique and not easily replaced with a new equivalent, it is worth doing.

Fortunately, I can usually find an equivalent and just install a new rear tire. I think this has gotten easier by using tires that are either all black, or the traditional black tread with tan sidewall. The Veloflex tires with tan sidewalls (the Master??) has made this easier to do.

Of course, the next question is how long can you run a tire on the front? Practically, I suspect that as long as the tread and cords are in good shape, it should be fine. There's probably a time limit on this, though. I've got some tubulars that came with my 1974 International that still hold air and look pretty good, but I can't imagine ever trusting them enough to bother gluing them onto a rim.


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Don't think my local bike shop would be happy to swap tyres . . . but I'd ask him if I was getting something else done too. . . . .new cassette bottom end, or similar. I usually just change the back one. Best chance of avoiding punctures imo.
Which would facilitate another trip to the bike shop . . . .What am I becoming? ..
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Saint Sheldon would not approve: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
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Old 06-24-17, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Shimagnolo
Saint Sheldon would not approve: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
Too late and I dont care.
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I do it the other way. Wear out the rear, front to rear and new tire on front. It probably makes no difference but my WAG is a worn tire may be more likely to flat and I would prefer that happen at the rear.
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Something to consider: a flatted clincher can come off the rim, especially at speed. That clincher will not get past the brakes and fork or stays. If you do high speed descents, you might want to consider whether you are comfortable with the idea of a front tire (or any tire) coming off.

This is one of the big advantage of sewup tires. Properly glued on, they stay on at any speed, even if they blow out violently. I have come to a stop from a 45 mph blowout. Huge heart race, but otherwise, not a big deal. I also had a flatted clincher (rear) come off the rim at ~25 mph. It was like riding on ice. In my efforts to stay off the adjacent curb, I was totally unprepared when the tire jammed in my seatstays. Broken collarbone and cracked rib. Also slammed my helmet. That crash has had me thinking of going back to sewups, for health reasons.

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Originally Posted by OldsCOOL
Michelin Krylions are too nice to throw both away when the rear tire begins to square off.

Why do you feel you have to throw away both tires when only one is worn?

Can't the rear tire be replaced by itself?


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Old 06-24-17, 05:29 PM
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I rotate the tires on my errand bike. Those thick tread 700x40 Michelin Protek Cross Max ain't gonna wear out anytime soon. But I'd like them to wear evenly.

But I wouldn't do that with the road bike -- both tires have only about 300 miles on 'em and both have identical 1/8" cuts (fortunately in the deepest part of the tread and not through the puncture liner), so I'll replace both at the same time with better tires.

And probably won't with the hybrid's Continental Speed Rides. The rear Speed Ride is just beginning to show some wear. By the end of the year I'll move the front to the rear and put a new tire on the front.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
Why do you feel you have to throw away both tires when only one is worn?

Can't the rear tire be replaced by itself?


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I prefer buying tires in sets. This is the 3rd season and the fade is obvious.


To the topic: saftety isnt really a concern, casing on the squared off tire is still thicker than some of my sewups. At the risk of sounding flippant, if the tire was a threat to my safety I wouldnt put it on the front, I've been at this for a while.
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I ride tubulars mostly and for the last 2 purchases decided to buy 3 tires. Replace worn rear usually, but there are situations where rotate would be OK.
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I considered swapping, or just buying one new one, putting it on the front and swapping the front to the rear. What I've found though is that by the time the rear is nicely squared off, the front is so cut around with glass that I just bin it as well. It probably helps that I've been using the Maxxis ReFuse which, apart from refusing to get punctures despite all the glass, I can usually get dirt cheap by waiting for a sale online.
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I would have loved to swap my Continental Grand Prix 4000S II but a 1 cm sidewall cut on the rear tire after only 1,000 km killed that plan (and the tire)
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I generally use the same tires on the same bikes, so there's never a question of unmatched sets. Even if there were, I wouldn't care.

So I don't systematically rotate tires, and tend to go through 2 or 3 rears for every front. However, my front tires don't wear out, they age out. So, if my rear needs replacing, and the front is showing age, I'll move it back to wear out before the walls go, and start the new tire up front.
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I just replaced a rear 25MM Schwalbe One rear tire that was worn down to the cords in a few places after 6000KM.

The front tire is the same age and still is in good condition. I didn't rotate because my typical cruise speeds are between 25-30kph, I rarely crack 50kph, (no hills here) and I've been able to safely roll to a stop with the blowouts I've had thus far.

The last blowout I had was caused by reusing a latex tube. (had a few patches, some sealant, and was not the same shape as a new tube) Made an ungodly mess, the pink tube wrapped itself around the spokes, chain, and sealant was everywhere. The loud bang ensured that I had the full attention of everyone, more of an embarrassment than anything else.
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"The last blowout I had was caused by reusing a latex tube. (had a few patches, some sealant, and was not the same shape as a new tube) Made an ungodly mess, the pink tube wrapped itself around the spokes, chain, and sealant was everywhere. The loud bang ensured that I had the full attention of everyone, more of an embarrassment than anything else."
If I had a green Slime sealant tube/tire blow mess I'd be temped to scream "E.T.!!! NOOOO!!! ELLIOT, HOW COULD YOUUU!!!"
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Yes, my rear on my bike I put the most miles on wears much faster than the front. So, when I need to remove the rear for some other issue I may very well switch them out.
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Old 06-24-17, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by canklecat
If I had a green Slime sealant tube/tire blow mess I'd be temped to scream "E.T.!!! NOOOO!!! ELLIOT, HOW COULD YOUUU!!!"
Heh.

I think the 80's film reference would only increase the blankness of the stares.

A middle aged white guy in distress in China can elicit the same reaction from bystanders as E.T. would.
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Originally Posted by SHBR
I just replaced a rear 25MM Schwalbe One rear tire that was worn down to the cords in a few places after 6000KM.
BTW, how'd you like that Schwalbe One? I'm considering a set of those to replace the Vittoria Zaffiro 700x23 that came with my bike.
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I swap tires all the time, front to rear and rear to front, and seldom because of wear. I typically do loaded touring with a 32r and 28f. When I get home I’ll switch the 28 to the rear and put a 25 up front for round town commuting. For charity rides and sportives the 25 will head to the rear wheel and a 23 on the front, but lately I’ve been just putting 25s on front and rear for the comfort of the ride.

For me if a tire is not safe for the front wheel it’s not safe period and needs to be retired immediately. I have no evidence but I suspect folks who follow Saint Sheldon’s tire rule keep their tires on long after mine have gone to recycling. Then yes, it is more dangerous to have a badly worn tire on the front than the rear but it is still dangerous.
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Originally Posted by canklecat
BTW, how'd you like that Schwalbe One? I'm considering a set of those to replace the Vittoria Zaffiro 700x23 that came with my bike.
They are OK on dry clean roads. Smoother riding and more comfortable than the 23MM tires they replaced.
They have paper thin sidewalls, not suitable for rough roads, the same as most performance oriented road tires.
Also, no grip on wet roads.
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[MENTION=361869]SHBR[/MENTION] -- Ah, those may not be suitable for what I'm hoping to get from replacements. I'd like to soften the jolt in the rough chipseal I often encounter. So far no problems with sidewall cuts and I avoid gravel on the road bike. But I already have 1/8" cuts in the main contact tread of the Vittoria Zaffiros within 300 miles.

I'm not sure these skinny Araya CTL-370 rims can handle 700x28, even if the frame and brakes have enough clearance. I may try some Rubinos.

OTOH, Jenson USA has the Schwalbe One V-Guards for less than $20 each. I may give 'em a try anyway at that price.

Thanks for the feedback!
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I've got 14MM internal width rims, I have used 28MM tires without issues.

Frame and brake clearance are what matters.

If I wanted a fairly durable, but smooth riding tire I'd go for Panaracer paselas, or the T-serv, which is the same tire I believe.

I've also used Panaracer ribmos, tough tire, terrible ride quality and wet road grip.
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New, best, tire goes on the front.. front blow outs are not pleasant events.
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