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Old 09-11-18, 08:26 AM
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not as good as I once was, but as good once as I ever was

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Old 09-11-18, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Hermes View Post
I like positive threads and it is always fun to steal the kids candy. The men and women I train and race with are very accustomed to masters racers of all ages doing well so I do not think they are surprised when older athletes do well. I always appreciate the opportunity to train and race with the younger riders.

I raced a 20k two person team time trial on time trial bikes with my wife as a parter (ages 68 and 69). We were 3 of 5 in the open division and 1st of 3 in the M/F with an average speed of just under 25 mph. I did not check drivers licenses for ages but I suspect we were the oldest ones in the event. I love team events since you have to start and finish as a team with the last rider's time being the one that counts.

I started racing in 2007 so this is my 11th year. My sprint power and aerobic power have improved with time and a lot of effort.
You just reminded me. My team puts on a race every May and the last couple of years we added a 4-rider TTT, mostly for funzies and bragging rights. This was us last year coming to the line. 3 of us are over 50. (and the 18-yo in the back) We came in 3d.

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Old 09-11-18, 06:49 PM
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Last year at age 71 I did my 6.35 mi. TT (250 ft. elevation) at 17.4 mph. Today I did it at 19.0 mph. Does that qualify?
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.............not as good as I once was, but as good once as I ever was................
NOT for this OldTryGuy. Had decades of an excellent heart healthy/cancer prevention diet that minimized Osteoarthritis Inflammation in knees, wrists, shoulders to the degree of not needing pain meds with an almost meatless diet BUT/lots of veggies/spices all failing to prevent Gleason 10 prostate cancer. Began treatment with a bilateral orchiectomy so that ended any "as good once as I ever was" possibility. Now it's just ride as best as I can and push for a bit longer rides like the 103 miles I rode today in the 80/90'sF temps.
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Old 09-11-18, 08:48 PM
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I started racing in 2007 so this is my 11th year. My sprint power and aerobic power have improved with time and a lot of effort.
That's very impressive. I started racing and riding consistently about 10 yrs ago. Made fairly rapid gains in the first few years but then FTP kind of plateaued. I think my FTP is about the same but my sprint power has gone down by 10-15%. I'm 10 yrs younger than you but just assumed reduced sprint power came with age. Maybe I'll add in some specific training.
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Not for me either. But racing was never my interest even back at the start. It can happen for others but rarely. Unlike "old man strength" which can routinely equal and surpass your younger counterpart, cardo requires multiple capabilities.

Not just superior heart and lung capacity, but endurance and flexibility as well, which are some of the first things to go as we age. That said, I know of at least one silver haired gent that blows the doors off of any cyclist I've seen on the roadway. Haven't seen him in a while though, since I no longer take that route.
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Old 09-11-18, 10:04 PM
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I raced in the Midwest when I was age 19 to 23, I was a decent time trialist but that was about all. There were darn few road races, sprinters that looked liked football players ruled the field sprints that every race ended in. Fast forward to age 32, I was living in San Francisco and my friend who was new to any kind of cycling wanted to start racing, I got a USCF license to go with him and partake in his first wobbly steps as a racer. I got bitten by the racing bug (truly great road courses) all over again and peaked at age 35. With no signs of slowing down I have no doubt I could kave kept getting stronger for at least another couple of years, and I was climbing like I never could before. I couldnít overtrain, I felt indestructible on the bike. After four years of racing I was burnt out on all the traveling to races, I was interested in my wife to be more than another season of racing, got married and instantly put on 10 pounds of upper body muscle. At age 56 I got trained to a very high level of fitness, was back down to about 150 lbs. I didnít think I was ever going to get old! I just turned 60 this summer, and the fitness is proving quite elusive, but in all fairness I have too many irons in fire to get in quality miles or any sort (misplaced priorities).
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I raced in the Midwest when I was age 19 to 23, I was a decent time trialist but that was about all. There were darn few road races, sprinters that looked liked football players ruled the field sprints that every race ended in. Fast forward to age 32, I was living in San Francisco and my friend who was new to any kind of cycling wanted to start racing, I got a USCF license to go with him and partake in his first wobbly steps as a racer. I got bitten by the racing bug (truly great road courses) all over again and peaked at age 35. With no signs of slowing down I have no doubt I could kave kept getting stronger for at least another couple of years, and I was climbing like I never could before. I couldn’t overtrain, I felt indestructible on the bike. After four years of racing I was burnt out on all the traveling to races, I was interested in my wife to be more than another season of racing, got married and instantly put on 10 pounds of upper body muscle. At age 56 I got trained to a very high level of fitness, was back down to about 150 lbs. I didn’t think I was ever going to get old! I just turned 60 this summer, and the fitness is proving quite elusive, but in all fairness I have too many irons in fire to get in quality miles or any sort (misplaced priorities).
I think of my level of fitness like eating/nutrition: an essential part of my life, so I do my best to maximize its benefits at any level

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Old 09-12-18, 03:15 PM
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Last year at age 71 I did my 6.35 mi. TT (250 ft. elevation) at 17.4 mph. Today I did it at 19.0 mph. Does that qualify?
Oh indeed.
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That's very impressive. I started racing and riding consistently about 10 yrs ago. Made fairly rapid gains in the first few years but then FTP kind of plateaued. I think my FTP is about the same but my sprint power has gone down by 10-15%. I'm 10 yrs younger than you but just assumed reduced sprint power came with age. Maybe I'll add in some specific training.
I have not assumed anything comes with age. I am sure you could improve your sprint with dedicated sprint practice.

Also, FTP is a cruel mistress. It is like filling a commercial swimming pool with a garden hose. Infinitely doable but it takes a long time. And one has to run the water over a long enough period of time for it to count.

Translating that to training, I have to do a lot of solo 10 minute plus efforts at or above FTP to increase it.

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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
You just reminded me. My team puts on a race every May and the last couple of years we added a 4-rider TTT, mostly for funzies and bragging rights. This was us last year coming to the line. 3 of us are over 50. (and the 18-yo in the back) We came in 3d.

Love the orange kits. Were those just for the event or standard team issue?
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Oh indeed.
Absolutely.
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Love the orange kits. Were those just for the event or standard team issue?
Those were our team kit. For years JBL was one of our sponsors so we always had orange as a highlight, finally one year we decided to embrace it as the main color. I liked it because it made it easier to find teammates in the pack.
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I do not think I am fast. I did a group ride in Albany , Ga. this past weekend and averaged 17.5 mph over the 65 mile course. I did not think that was too bad for being 64 1/2.
Got quite a few compliments from the small group I got hooked up with. A rather strong young guy told me after the ride he was impressed with the speed I had when pulling the group. We were doing 20-22 quite a bit. ( or so it seemed to me) There were multiple climbs. They were short and not too steep for the most part. That was when I was able to pass several younger people in the group. I just kept the cadence up and pedaled.
So to answer the question, No, I am not fast, but I sure am old. ( or feel that way)
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Love the orange kits. Were those just for the event or standard team issue?
I must admit the hot orange does have a certain amount of appeal. Black shoes or white?
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One season we were all black, which I hated. For one, it gets really hot here. For another, several other NorCal teams went all black that season too. One race I thought I had a teammate on my wheel but it was another team and I executed a perfect lead out for their sprinter. And then finally, it’s nice and bright for drivers on the roads we train on.
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I like to think I'm fast in the "diesel" sense. But I can't accelerate or sprint, so I'd be toast in mass start races. I just did 2 hours (no aero equipment and no stoppage time) on an easy out-and-back course and got 41.25 miles for an average of 20.6 mph the day after I turned 60 (added on a ton of slow stuff and a few openers before and after to make it 81.7 miles total). And I'm extremely confident I could solo 20.0 mph for 100k (maybe even 70 miles) on that course. So it's pretty fast for my age. Then again, there are a few others in my surrounding area that are both older and faster than I am.

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I like to think I'm fast in the "diesel" sense. But I can't accelerate or sprint, so I'd be toast in mass start races. I just did 2 hours (no aero equipment and no stoppage time) on an easy out-and-back course and got 41.25 miles for an average of 20.6 mph the day after I turned 60 (added on a ton of slow stuff and a few openers before and after to make it 81.7 miles total). And I'm extremely confident I could solo 20.0 mph for 100k (maybe even 70 miles) on that course. So it's pretty fast for my age. Then again, there are a few others in my surrounding area that are both older and faster than I am.
This is objectively fast.
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So today solo ride perfect temps, no hills flat for sure, 57 miles 2:58 19.1 mph. Total time 2:59 one short pee break. I donít know if that is fast but did 50 yesterday and i think with a group could go faster.

i just wish i could run 3 sub 10 minute miles.
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So today solo ride perfect temps, no hills flat for sure, 57 miles 2:58 19.1 mph. Total time 2:59 one short pee break. I donít know if that is fast but did 50 yesterday and i think with a group could go faster.

i just wish i could run 3 sub 10 minute miles.
Unless there are any objections, which I think there won't be, we'll proclaim that as: fast.

I'd be happy to get within 1 or even 2 mph of that on 57 miles this year. I blame the running thing you mention, taking away the riding time. Can't call myself fast on running either
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I'm not amazingly fast, but I'm good on hills, and I'm faster than most cyclists out there. I'm 57, and I ride about 3,000 miles a year, most of it commuting. I really like hills.
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Unless there are any objections, which I think there won't be, we'll proclaim that as: fast.

I'd be happy to get within 1 or even 2 mph of that on 57 miles this year. I blame the running thing you mention, taking away the riding time. Can't call myself fast on running either
I am/was a serious runner at least in terms of dedication and lifelong running. I have done it now 40 years and always did a little bit of cycling. 10 years ago I got much more serious into riding as it was different and I was doing ok. I manage to do both pretty good till about 2012 and at age 51 my running went really slow. I was then training at 8:45 to 9 minute pace most of the time. Then my legs just lost the balance or form and I have drop to now training at 10:30-12 minute pace. That is ridiculously slow considering I am in pretty decent shape. The pace never bothers me running by my legs and form seem all messed up. I feel like I am crawling. On the bike though after 10 years since 2008 of hitting it steady I am about where I was then. I am not necessary stronger or faster in sprints but maybe better with bike handling and how to ride.

I actually wonder if I have some weird neuro problem as my balance and running is not right. I cannot complain I have no pain I just have to stop and walk at times and my legs just do not want to pick up. Put me on a bike and I start spinning and moving free. Could be specificity of training or that after 80000 lifetime miles running I have pounded them down. Problem is I know other runners with more than 50000 miles lifetime and they do not have my slow down curve. I don't know but nothing nice hard 1 hour run, or a good 40 miler on a bike. I don't want to give either up.
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I like to think I'm fast in the "diesel" sense. But I can't accelerate or sprint, so I'd be toast in mass start races. I just did 2 hours (no aero equipment and no stoppage time) on an easy out-and-back course and got 41.25 miles for an average of 20.6 mph the day after I turned 60 (added on a ton of slow stuff and a few openers before and after to make it 81.7 miles total). And I'm extremely confident I could solo 20.0 mph for 100k (maybe even 70 miles) on that course. So it's pretty fast for my age. Then again, there are a few others in my surrounding area that are both older and faster than I am.
I will give this a fast plus difficult for bonus points.
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So today solo ride perfect temps, no hills flat for sure, 57 miles 2:58 19.1 mph. Total time 2:59 one short pee break. I donít know if that is fast but did 50 yesterday and i think with a group could go faster.

i just wish i could run 3 sub 10 minute miles.
Yes, to this as fast.

Jeepers, I feel like one of those judges on reality TV show.
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