Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Fifty Plus (50+)
Reload this Page >

Creatine at 83yo, anyone?

Notices
Fifty Plus (50+) Share the victories, challenges, successes and special concerns of bicyclists 50 and older. Especially useful for those entering or reentering bicycling.

Creatine at 83yo, anyone?

Old 10-28-22, 07:41 AM
  #1  
gobicycling
Full Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 289
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 113 Post(s)
Liked 297 Times in 93 Posts
Creatine at 83yo, anyone?

Creatine at 83yo, anyone? Why or why not?
gobicycling is offline  
Old 10-28-22, 08:04 AM
  #2  
Juan Foote
LBKA (formerly punkncat)
 
Juan Foote's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Jawja
Posts: 4,145

Bikes: Spec Roubaix SL4, GT Traffic 1.0

Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1976 Post(s)
Liked 764 Times in 541 Posts
If you have no history of kidney disease and are in touch with your primary physician about it, I don't see why not. It is typically considered safe and has mild side effects that will generally present early if you have issue with it.
Juan Foote is offline  
Old 10-28-22, 12:56 PM
  #3  
rsbob 
😵‍💫
 
rsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Seattle-ish
Posts: 3,733
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1444 Post(s)
Liked 2,679 Times in 1,541 Posts
Just listened to a segment somewhere about the benefits of creatinine and the takeaway was that it is excellent for explosive effort, like dead lifting but doesn’t do much for endurance or medium efforts. For cycling, it might come in handy when you are a sprinter and want that extra edge to push you a tenth of a second faster than the competition at the finish. Of course it all depends on the studies you are reviewing.

I am pushing 68 and have been getting good results in terms of lack of muscle soreness, ability to push myself a bit harder, and get out of the saddle for quick climbs using this trio: HMB powder for soreness, beet root for better cardiovascular transport of oxygen and beta alanine for endurance and strength. Consult your doctor first, but I have had zero side effects or issues.
__________________
Road and Mountain 🚴🏾‍♂️



rsbob is offline  
Likes For rsbob:
Old 10-29-22, 12:13 AM
  #4  
canklecat
Me duelen las nalgas
 
canklecat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Texas
Posts: 13,361

Bikes: Centurion Ironman, Trek 5900, Univega Via Carisma, Globe Carmel

Mentioned: 196 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4461 Post(s)
Liked 2,566 Times in 1,668 Posts
Sure. I've been using creatine since I turned 60 (about to turn 65). No problems. I've tried it in various forms -- unflavored powder, in an electrolyte drink mix and in whey protein powder mix. They're all fine.

I dunno about explosive single effort stuff, such as powerlifting. I don't do that. But it seems to help minimize muscle fatigue in maximum effort sprints and short, steep hill climb efforts up to one minute in duration. And I seem to recover more quickly between maximum efforts.

Creatine occurs naturally in red meats so if you eat beef you're probably getting enough. But according to the studies I've read there's no harm in taking a little more.

When I first started using it I *seemed* to notice a little more frequent and urgent urination. But that might have been a coincidence, possibly attributable to other factors; drinking more, as recommended; drinking beer, coffee or iced tea in addition to the creatine drinks. It hasn't been a consistent issue and after the first few times I didn't notice a particular pattern, so I'm not sure the few instances of needing to urinate more frequently was due to the creatine.
canklecat is offline  
Old 10-29-22, 05:50 AM
  #5  
cal45
Newbie
 
cal45's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2022
Location: Orlando & Flagler Beach, FL
Posts: 17

Bikes: 2021 Trek Verve 2 Disc low step, 1999 Trek 800 Sport

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
My only experience Creatine was in my early 30's when I was into heavy lifting/body building. It would give me more of a boost during work outs but a few weeks after regular use, I experienced bouts of my heart racing at night watching TV. Soon stopped using after that. Your mileage may vary.
cal45 is offline  
Old 10-29-22, 06:49 AM
  #6  
Kai Winters
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Northern NY...Brownville
Posts: 2,169

Bikes: Specialized Aethos

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 93 Post(s)
Liked 162 Times in 102 Posts
I used it for a bit in the '90s. Helped my sprinting power quite a bit but lost in my climbing power due to the weight gain. May look into it again for the benefits to a senior body...67 now and I'll take the advantages.
Kai Winters is offline  
Old 10-29-22, 07:54 AM
  #7  
joesch
Senior Member
 
joesch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Hotel CA / DFW
Posts: 1,393

Bikes: 83 Colnago Super, 87 50th Daccordi, 79 & 87 Guerciotti's, 90s DB/GT Mtn Bikes, 90s Colnago Master and Titanio, 96 Serotta Colorado TG, 95/05 Colnago C40/C50, 06 DbyLS TI, 08 Lemond Filmore FG SS, 12 Cervelo R3, 20/15 Surly Stragler & Steamroller

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 467 Post(s)
Liked 522 Times in 338 Posts
Often used by body builders as it is believed to help building muscle.
Produced naturally by body and in foods like meat and fish.
I have been taking some for the past few months hopeful it will help my shoulder injury heal faster.

I consume the bang drinks which are advertised as super creatine, ultra coq10, and eaa aminos. These drinks also have 300mg of caffeine and B vitamins so a good energy booster for rides.

The long-term risks of creatine are unknown and if you have side effects then best to avoid.
See link below for more details.

https://www.webmd.com/diet/supplement-guide-creatine
joesch is offline  
Old 10-30-22, 06:24 AM
  #8  
RH Clark
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 625
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 328 Post(s)
Liked 321 Times in 171 Posts
I am of the opinion that most of us will see greater benefits from what we stop eating rather than what we start eating. I also do not trust the industry that produces supplements to have your best interests at heart.
RH Clark is offline  
Likes For RH Clark:
Old 10-30-22, 03:30 PM
  #9  
bruce19
Senior Member
 
bruce19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Lebanon (Liberty Hill), CT
Posts: 8,237

Bikes: CAAD 12, MASI Gran Criterium S, Colnago World Cup CX & Guru steel

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1634 Post(s)
Liked 1,117 Times in 652 Posts
Creatine is said to increase weight. At my weight I can't afford to do that.
bruce19 is offline  
Old 10-30-22, 03:38 PM
  #10  
wolfchild
Senior Member
 
wolfchild's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Mississauga/Toronto, Ontario canada
Posts: 7,956

Bikes: I have 3 singlespeed/fixed gear bikes

Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3349 Post(s)
Liked 1,951 Times in 976 Posts
Originally Posted by bruce19 View Post
Creatine is said to increase weight. At my weight I can't afford to do that.
Creatine retains water, so you can expect to gain about 5 pounds of water weight.
wolfchild is offline  
Likes For wolfchild:
Old 10-31-22, 12:46 AM
  #11  
canklecat
Me duelen las nalgas
 
canklecat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Texas
Posts: 13,361

Bikes: Centurion Ironman, Trek 5900, Univega Via Carisma, Globe Carmel

Mentioned: 196 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4461 Post(s)
Liked 2,566 Times in 1,668 Posts
Yeah, like anabolic steroids (but without the risky complications) one benefit of creatine is water retention. That's actually a good thing for folks with reasonably healthy kidneys and bladders, blood pressure, etc. Helps reduce joint pain, inflammation, etc.

One benefit from testosterone -- per research, and confirmed by athletes who've used it -- is quicker recovery from hard workouts, due in part to some water retention. That's potentially beneficial to athletes in sports where they don't need to meet a certain weight just before competition, but can sweat it off during competition. Not all athletes use it for muscle gain, but for quicker recovery (notably Floyd Landis, per his own extensive interview after being stripped of the TdF title years ago). So, not ideal for pro fighters who must make weight before a match. But not necessarily a bad thing for long distance events during which perspiration takes care of excess fluid. And also why bodybuilders (most of whom aren't hindered by bans on PEDs) have entire workout regiments built toward cutting fat and fluid just in time for competition.

So fluid retention from creatine isn't necessarily a bad thing. Just depends on your urinary tract function, BP, and whether your style of cycling can benefit from being fully hydrated. Good thing for some longer rides, especially in warm weather.

I've often skipped carrying water for jogging or running up to two hours in summer heat. So far I've done okay by hydrating beforehand, and creatine probably helps. Yeah, the extra weight from slight bloating won't help my times, but my days of fast running are over. I'm more concerned about enjoying the workout, not suffering.
canklecat is offline  
Old 11-03-22, 01:46 PM
  #12  
Doubleplay
Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 40
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Yes creatine retains water because water helps muscle repairing at the cell level. However as soon as you stop taking it and stop exercising water weight comes off.
It's better to take it post workout and selectively during the year while training for your goal ride, race etc...
Doubleplay is offline  
Old 11-03-22, 06:50 PM
  #13  
MoAlpha
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Land of Pleasant Living
Posts: 10,680

Bikes: Shmikes

Mentioned: 56 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8825 Post(s)
Liked 4,763 Times in 2,539 Posts
Yeah, that's osmotic fluid in muscle cells, not circulating volume. it just leaches back out slowly, so no risk or benefit from it.
MoAlpha is offline  
Old 11-07-22, 02:35 PM
  #14  
Flip Flop Rider
Senior Member
 
Flip Flop Rider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: South Carolina Upstate
Posts: 2,069

Bikes: 2010 Fuji Absolute 3.0 1994 Trek 850

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 750 Post(s)
Liked 538 Times in 308 Posts
at 83 why not
Flip Flop Rider is offline  
Likes For Flip Flop Rider:
Old 11-14-22, 09:07 PM
  #15  
Carbonfiberboy 
just another gosling
 
Carbonfiberboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 18,770

Bikes: CoMo Speedster 2003, Trek 5200, CAAD 9, Fred 2004

Mentioned: 113 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3525 Post(s)
Liked 1,520 Times in 1,106 Posts
Creatine is the most researched supplement on the market. Here's the International Society of Sports Nutrition position paper:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2048496/

I've been using it daily for about 25 years. Works. It will improve your anaerobic ability and makes it a little easier to gain muscle - if you work hard enough. Most sellers say to use a loading phase, where you take some large amount of it for several days, etc. Which is mostly BS to allow the sellers to pocket more of your money. Don't do it. Take about 5g/day, every day, and don't worry about it. It'll take a little longer to get the full effect, but so what.

Weight gain comes from how much you eat and drink, not from some supplement.
__________________
Results matter
Carbonfiberboy is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.