Another cyclist friend died in the saddle - the 3rd.
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You should reject all the so-called "studies" and research of bicycling accidents that do not include any reference to the severity of the the injuries suffered by the victims. An accident likely to result in a bruised knee or a sprained wrist or even a broken arm or a damaged bicycle does equate to accidents that are likely to result in catastrophic life changing injury or death.
Accident "studies" that do not distinguish between crashes that produced insignificant/minor injuries and crashes that results injuries that are catastrophic are studies that merit ignoring. Conclusions drawn from such studies are worth even less.
Accident "studies" that do not distinguish between crashes that produced insignificant/minor injuries and crashes that results injuries that are catastrophic are studies that merit ignoring. Conclusions drawn from such studies are worth even less.
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As I recall (ha, ha) from some research years ago, getting hit from behind is not a frequent accident cause. Number one was the right hook - car passing on left, makes a right hand turn in front of you, and you get a real fast T-Bone steak! I will try and update my research.
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I ride mostly the back roads. It seems to be human nature for a driver’s attention to wander. The blinking red light coupled with the garmin forewarning help. But, I have had my share of mirrors whiz by my shoulder. It seems that some are not a good judge of distance. I’ve also noticed the bravery of drivers in blasting into blind turns beside you. Not really hard to figure out where they will go if things get tight. Riding in town presents a totally different set of dangers.
I recall the different riding scenarios being rated by decisions per minute. I’m sure a rider in any city deals with many more decisions than I do.
Overall, extending courtesy to drivers does come back to you. Human nature is always a variable which cannot be predicted. I’m anticipating a good riding year once the snow melts. I wish the same for all!
I recall the different riding scenarios being rated by decisions per minute. I’m sure a rider in any city deals with many more decisions than I do.
Overall, extending courtesy to drivers does come back to you. Human nature is always a variable which cannot be predicted. I’m anticipating a good riding year once the snow melts. I wish the same for all!
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In 40 plus years of riding, I've never even remotely was put at risk for a rear end collision, thank God, but I think the odds are extremely low, probably less than 10th of one percent chance.
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It's a tough call between an instant violent exit or dribbling away in a nursing home.I think I'd prefer the former, but only when I reach the point where I can barely ride! I was thinking of buying a Superbike (as in motorbike) for my 85th birthday to avoid the latter ending.
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I recall reading studies years ago the rear end collisions were quite rare. But that was long enough to be before cellphones and other distractions commonplace today. My guess is that they are not all that uncommon anymore, from what I see in the media about crashes here locally.
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I recall reading studies years ago the rear end collisions were quite rare. But that was long enough to be before cellphones and other distractions commonplace today. My guess is that they are not all that uncommon anymore, from what I see in the media about crashes here locally.
We are looking at roughly in increase of 100% in the number of riders since the 1980s, with only a 9% increase in rear end accidents, seems to point in the direction that rear end accidents have decreased, not increased since the 1980s.
I'll be the first to admit that I am NOT a math wizard, if anyone can see an error in my calculations, PLEASE correct it.
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So sorry for the loss of your friend. That is awful.
I have lost friends and buddies from motorcycles, skiing, falling off a pickup, car accidents, falls, ruptured aneurysm during a hockey game, etc. and quite a few cyclists and all were mowed down from behind. So, I am very cautious. Riding only on low traffic roads with a Varia and an Italian bar end mirror cycle. Traffic is low enough that I check every car to make sure it is giving me a little berth.
I took care of a loved one 24/7 in her last 2-3 years of life, she did not even recognize me. If I had the choice and were her, I would not wanted to be alive but that isn't really an option in that state of mind. I figure to start drinking and smoking cigars at 80 and go out that way.
I have lost friends and buddies from motorcycles, skiing, falling off a pickup, car accidents, falls, ruptured aneurysm during a hockey game, etc. and quite a few cyclists and all were mowed down from behind. So, I am very cautious. Riding only on low traffic roads with a Varia and an Italian bar end mirror cycle. Traffic is low enough that I check every car to make sure it is giving me a little berth.
I took care of a loved one 24/7 in her last 2-3 years of life, she did not even recognize me. If I had the choice and were her, I would not wanted to be alive but that isn't really an option in that state of mind. I figure to start drinking and smoking cigars at 80 and go out that way.
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So sorry for the loss of your friend. That is awful.
I have lost friends and buddies from motorcycles, skiing, falling off a pickup, car accidents, falls, ruptured aneurysm during a hockey game, etc. and quite a few cyclists and all were mowed down from behind. So, I am very cautious. Riding only on low traffic roads with a Varia and an Italian bar end mirror cycle. Traffic is low enough that I check every car to make sure it is giving me a little berth.
I took care of a loved one 24/7 in her last 2-3 years of life, she did not even recognize me. If I had the choice and were her, I would not wanted to be alive but that isn't really an option in that state of mind. I figure to start drinking and smoking cigars at 80 and go out that way.
I have lost friends and buddies from motorcycles, skiing, falling off a pickup, car accidents, falls, ruptured aneurysm during a hockey game, etc. and quite a few cyclists and all were mowed down from behind. So, I am very cautious. Riding only on low traffic roads with a Varia and an Italian bar end mirror cycle. Traffic is low enough that I check every car to make sure it is giving me a little berth.
I took care of a loved one 24/7 in her last 2-3 years of life, she did not even recognize me. If I had the choice and were her, I would not wanted to be alive but that isn't really an option in that state of mind. I figure to start drinking and smoking cigars at 80 and go out that way.
Best wishes!!
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I’ve heard stories of trucker’s running cyclists off the road on purpose. They were overheard either planning it or bragging about it over the CB. Not sure I believe it, I know I don’t want to believe it.
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I took care of a loved one 24/7 in her last 2-3 years of life, she did not even recognize me. If I had the choice and were her, I would not wanted to be alive but that isn't really an option in that state of mind. I figure to start drinking and smoking cigars at 80 and go out that way.
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My father lived for 11 years after a stroke took away his brilliant and baritone voice. The last two were bedridden with many emergency hospital visits. I asked him several times if he was ready to go but knowing his cognitive state, I could not trust the answer. My greatest fear is winding up in the same situation and am formulating a simple test that my loved ones can use to make that difficult decision. It will something along the lines of, "If I can't recite the alphabet and handle my own bowels, it's time for me to go."
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I can understand how you feel. However, I'm not sure I'd want to leave my loved ones feeling the guilt of carrying out my wishes? Of course everyone responds differently to a difficult decision like that....but I'm not sure that's a burden I'd want to leave them with. However being bedridden for several years ain't no treat for them either. And if in a hospital, how do they interact with the doctors in that situation? Tough call for sure.
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That's why I'm not getting a Superbike until I'm so old that dribbling away in the nursing home is my likely fate regardless. Not that I was being entirely serious you understand. It was more of a philosophical thought about suffering a quick vs slow demise. From what I've seen the latter is not a great way to go, especially if you are mentally aware.
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American drivers tend to be a lot more aggressive and less accommodating of other vehicles on the road and it has gotten much worse over the years. Areas where it was safe to ride 40 years ago or even 20 years ago are now very dangerous for bicyclists. This is by design with the transportation "system" dominated by the motor vehicle and oil industries. Most highways lack a shoulder of any kind and many highways have been turned into freeways.
U.S. city streets have a third of their space dedicated to parking for cars making them more perilous for bicyclists. Schools are forced to pay for buses to bring children to school from kindergarten through high schoo as it is not safe for them to walk or bike to and from their homes. Recently 8 cities had their plans for light rail service killed by people in debt to the auto and oil industries. Unless one has traveled to Europe or Asia they do not realize how different it is in the USA.
U.S. city streets have a third of their space dedicated to parking for cars making them more perilous for bicyclists. Schools are forced to pay for buses to bring children to school from kindergarten through high schoo as it is not safe for them to walk or bike to and from their homes. Recently 8 cities had their plans for light rail service killed by people in debt to the auto and oil industries. Unless one has traveled to Europe or Asia they do not realize how different it is in the USA.
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American drivers tend to be a lot more aggressive and less accommodating of other vehicles on the road and it has gotten much worse over the years. Areas where it was safe to ride 40 years ago or even 20 years ago are now very dangerous for bicyclists. This is by design with the transportation "system" dominated by the motor vehicle and oil industries. Most highways lack a shoulder of any kind and many highways have been turned into freeways.
U.S. city streets have a third of their space dedicated to parking for cars making them more perilous for bicyclists. Schools are forced to pay for buses to bring children to school from kindergarten through high schoo as it is not safe for them to walk or bike to and from their homes. Recently 8 cities had their plans for light rail service killed by people in debt to the auto and oil industries. Unless one has traveled to Europe or Asia they do not realize how different it is in the USA.
U.S. city streets have a third of their space dedicated to parking for cars making them more perilous for bicyclists. Schools are forced to pay for buses to bring children to school from kindergarten through high schoo as it is not safe for them to walk or bike to and from their homes. Recently 8 cities had their plans for light rail service killed by people in debt to the auto and oil industries. Unless one has traveled to Europe or Asia they do not realize how different it is in the USA.
I spend a lot of time in Europe. In fact, I've been living in Germany this year. There's no question that many places in Europe are far ahead of most places in the states. But cyclists are killed on the road here also. I've also spent a fair amount of time in Asia, and I have yet to see an Asian country where cycling infrastructure is superior to that in the better US cities. in most asian countries I've visited, the cycling infrastructure and awareness is pretty low. I was in India earlier this month - there's no way I'd ride on roads there. Cities in Japan and China are for the most part, not bike friendly. The Chinese city in which bicycles outnumbered cars is a phenomenon of the distant past. I'm curious about which Asian countries you think are far superior to say, Portland, Minneapolis, S.F., New York, etc. for road cycling safety?
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I always think of Nicky Hayden. Motogp world champ about 15 years ago. He crashed motorcycles at 180mph but met a terrible demise on his bicycle. I'm not sure exactly where, possibly Italy.
I saw a picture of the bike which still gives me the chills. I've always figured that Europe would be more accommodating of bicycles. I think it just comes down to fate.
Hayden was a well liked figure in motorcycling. I actually saw him race at Mid-ohio.
I saw a picture of the bike which still gives me the chills. I've always figured that Europe would be more accommodating of bicycles. I think it just comes down to fate.
Hayden was a well liked figure in motorcycling. I actually saw him race at Mid-ohio.
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I'm rarely on a road with motor vehicles, but when I am, I am dressed in a way that conceals my ethnic background from behind. I do not wish to give offense to any person or type of person, but I am a realist, and who is typically assaulting whom on the streets is also a reality.
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Some grains of truth embedded in an otherwise over-generalized summary. Cycling safety and infrastructure in the US is as varied as the states themselves, with many communities having made great forward strides in the last two decades.
I spend a lot of time in Europe. In fact, I've been living in Germany this year. There's no question that many places in Europe are far ahead of most places in the states. But cyclists are killed on the road here also. I've also spent a fair amount of time in Asia, and I have yet to see an Asian country where cycling infrastructure is superior to that in the better US cities. in most asian countries I've visited, the cycling infrastructure and awareness is pretty low. I was in India earlier this month - there's no way I'd ride on roads there. Cities in Japan and China are for the most part, not bike friendly. The Chinese city in which bicycles outnumbered cars is a phenomenon of the distant past. I'm curious about which Asian countries you think are far superior to say, Portland, Minneapolis, S.F., New York, etc. for road cycling safety?
I spend a lot of time in Europe. In fact, I've been living in Germany this year. There's no question that many places in Europe are far ahead of most places in the states. But cyclists are killed on the road here also. I've also spent a fair amount of time in Asia, and I have yet to see an Asian country where cycling infrastructure is superior to that in the better US cities. in most asian countries I've visited, the cycling infrastructure and awareness is pretty low. I was in India earlier this month - there's no way I'd ride on roads there. Cities in Japan and China are for the most part, not bike friendly. The Chinese city in which bicycles outnumbered cars is a phenomenon of the distant past. I'm curious about which Asian countries you think are far superior to say, Portland, Minneapolis, S.F., New York, etc. for road cycling safety?
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