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Old 04-08-24, 05:13 PM
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Well that was a learning experience

I finally got out to ride today. The path around a local lake has a lot of up and down, sharp curves and several humped bridges with posts at each end and 90* turned before or after. It isnít a place for high average speed but itís close. Itís a good 6 mile loop.
There is a climb near the end no matter which direction you ride but one direction the climb is a little steeper. I did one lap in each direction and save the steep climb for last. I was getting a little tired and wasnít thinking about anything but getting close to finishing. That climb hit me hard and I had to walk it up the last 50-60 yards. When I got to the top and got on my bike I realized that I had left the front derailleur on the big ring. I have been leaving it in the high range and itís no problem going the other direction but this direction definitely needs the lower gear range.
Betcha I remember next time. 😎
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In a month or so of regular riding, you'll be able to do it with no issue in the big ring. It's supposed to rain here for the next few days.
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
I finally got out to ride today. The path around a local lake has a lot of up and down, sharp curves and several humped bridges with posts at each end and 90* turned before or after. It isn’t a place for high average speed but it’s close. It’s a good 6 mile loop.
There is a climb near the end no matter which direction you ride but one direction the climb is a little steeper. I did one lap in each direction and save the steep climb for last. I was getting a little tired and wasn’t thinking about anything but getting close to finishing. That climb hit me hard and I had to walk it up the last 50-60 yards. When I got to the top and got on my bike I realized that I had left the front derailleur on the big ring. I have been leaving it in the high range and it’s no problem going the other direction but this direction definitely needs the lower gear range.
Betcha I remember next time. 😎
Every week I meet a small group of senior men (70 +/-) for two laps of the 8 mile scenic loop at Saguaro NP. There are some 8% grades, one of them long. There's usually one guy who forgets to downshift, and everyone laughs.

One guy just started riding a couple years ago, and he laughs at the hills now. He says he thought they were mountains when he started.

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There was a cycling pro in the 80’s, Sean Kelly or Stephen Roche, or somebody, who was known for his climbing skills, was asked his secret to ascending - “I put it in the big ring and spin”. Or something to that effect.
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Old 04-09-24, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Iride01
In a month or so of regular riding, you'll be able to do it with no issue in the big ring. It's supposed to rain here for the next few days.
I sometimes complain about this trail but the more I think about it the more I realize this might be a good training route.
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Yeah, it's a nice surprise and boost to the ego to realize you've been in a higher gear than you thought. It's happened to me.
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Originally Posted by noglider
Yeah, it's a nice surprise and boost to the ego to realize you've been in a higher gear than you thought. It's happened to me.
Someone here a while back said I should stay in the big ring most of the time unless climbing. I sorta forgot that last part.
I used to ride in the small ring. Either way I tend to cross chain. The lake trail I ride has me constantly changing gears.
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When I were a lad, about 65 years ago, it was considered a bit wimpy to get out of the big 52T ring while riding in hilly SW England. We rode 52/42 with a 6 speed rear cluster (no cassettes then). In winter we converted to fixed, usually 69 gear inches or 82 for 25 mile out and back hilly TTs. I never broke the one hour; best was 65 minutes (with asthma for company&#128522.
Nowadays Iím not ashamed to use a bit of e-assist, usually 50W, to get me and my failing lungs up from 12 mph to 15.
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
Someone here a while back said I should stay in the big ring most of the time unless climbing. I sorta forgot that last part.
I used to ride in the small ring. Either way I tend to cross chain. The lake trail I ride has me constantly changing gears.
All fine and dandy if you're riding solo all the time. If at any time you're riding in a more 'sportive' group, versatility in gearing becomes a must.
Adding a sizable distance length to your 'normal' ride distance is always accomplished with less grinding of teeth, with judicious use of all your gearing.
This may not apply in Florida or anything flatter - until you have to bore for miles on end into a 12+ mph headwind...
That said, 'Big Gear' Intervals (note I haven't said Big Ring) are great in the tool bag of a time/mileage constrained rider...
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Originally Posted by cyclezen
All fine and dandy if you're riding solo all the time. If at any time you're riding in a more 'sportive' group, versatility in gearing becomes a must.
Adding a sizable distance length to your 'normal' ride distance is always accomplished with less grinding of teeth, with judicious use of all your gearing.
This may not apply in Florida or anything flatter - until you have to bore for miles on end into a 12+ mph headwind...
That said, 'Big Gear' Intervals (note I haven't said Big Ring) are great in the tool bag of a time/mileage constrained rider...
Ride On
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The trail I ride often has a lot of small up and down areas plus obstacles requiring me to slow then turn sharply or climb. I am always changing gears. I have been staying in high range, but I generally ride in the opposite direction. I just had a brain fart. You can bet I wonít forget next time.
My bike is a 2013 Specialized Roubaix Comp. I have no idea how itís gearing compares to other bikes. I do know it has 2 gears that are almost the same.
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Originally Posted by andrewclaus
Every week I meet a small group of senior men (70 +/-) for two laps of the 8 mile scenic loop at Saguaro NP. There are some 8% grades, one of them long. There's usually one guy who forgets to downshift, and everyone laughs.

One guy just started riding a couple years ago, and he laughs at the hills now. He says he thought they were mountains when he started.
What day of the week do you do that? I will still be in southern AZ for a couple more monthsÖ
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
I finally got out to ride today. The path around a local lake has a lot of up and down, sharp curves and several humped bridges with posts at each end and 90* turned before or after. It isnít a place for high average speed but itís close. Itís a good 6 mile loop.
There is a climb near the end no matter which direction you ride but one direction the climb is a little steeper. I did one lap in each direction and save the steep climb for last. I was getting a little tired and wasnít thinking about anything but getting close to finishing. That climb hit me hard and I had to walk it up the last 50-60 yards. When I got to the top and got on my bike I realized that I had left the front derailleur on the big ring. I have been leaving it in the high range and itís no problem going the other direction but this direction definitely needs the lower gear range.
Betcha I remember next time. 😎
This post belongs in the "Geared bikes or single speed?" thread.
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Originally Posted by Duragrouch
This post belongs in the "Geared bikes or single speed?" thread.
???
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
???
Not serious. I was referring to the thread debate about merits of single speed. You unknowingly trying to climb on the big ring, is so analogous to a SS having the same difficulty, it's points for the other side.
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Originally Posted by Duragrouch
Not serious. I was referring to the thread debate about merits of single speed. You unknowingly trying to climb on the big ring, is so analogous to a SS having the same difficulty, it's points for the other side.
Ya got me!😄
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Originally Posted by David_Harris
What day of the week do you do that? I will still be in southern AZ for a couple more monthsÖ
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Watching the current Giro. During the time trial, 42 kms with a steep hill at the end, one of the riders had a single 66 tooth chain ring. Wonder what the biggest 11-?? cassette is.

Might make no front derailleur more interesting, maybe.
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
I finally got out to ride today. The path around a local lake has a lot of up and down, sharp curves and several humped bridges with posts at each end and 90* turned before or after. It isnít a place for high average speed but itís close. Itís a good 6 mile loop.
There is a climb near the end no matter which direction you ride but one direction the climb is a little steeper. I did one lap in each direction and save the steep climb for last. I was getting a little tired and wasnít thinking about anything but getting close to finishing. That climb hit me hard and I had to walk it up the last 50-60 yards. When I got to the top and got on my bike I realized that I had left the front derailleur on the big ring. I have been leaving it in the high range and itís no problem going the other direction but this direction definitely needs the lower gear range.
Betcha I remember next time. 😎
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Our tandem has a 40T in back and of course I can't see the chainrings. Several times that's happened to me, partly because when one is running a big cassette, the g.i. are closer together at the big end of the cassette when in the big ring than when in the middle ring at similar g.i. I expect that is also true for those running 1X.

Cross-chaining hasn't been a big deal for the last couple of decades.
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If/when you fitness improves, it is quite satisfying to climb a hill in the big chain ring, where in the past, it had to be small ring. A good feeling of accomplishment and improved fitness.
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If/when you fitness improves, it is quite satisfying to climb a hill in the big chain ring, where in the past, it had to be small ring. A good feeling of accomplishment and improved fitness.
It would help if this hill didnít have a sharp u-turn about halfway up. I canít carry any momentum.
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Originally Posted by WarrenR
Watching the current Giro. During the time trial, 42 kms with a steep hill at the end, one of the riders had a single 66 tooth chain ring. Wonder what the biggest 11-?? cassette is.

Might make no front derailleur more interesting, maybe.
If it was an Ineos rider (probably Geraint Thomas, because he's a top GC contender and a strong time trial rider and so would get a lot of attention in a TT), he had a two-speed Classified PowerShift rear hub, which gives the rider 1.0 and 0.7 gear ratios with any rear sprocket. It's a wirelessly controlled substitute for a front derailleur setup.
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