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I've read Crighton's book, too. He says in the afterword that the footnotes are actual references, but admits to having done some cherry picking. Also note that the that he makes no such claim regarding the in text references. They could be either partly, or entirely fictional, for all he tells us.
Anybody wanting to quote fictional references is entitled to, of course, but for balance, also read John Barnes' "Mother of Storms." It is equally readable, which is to say, very. It sometimes hard to separate weather from climate. Also hard to separate science from politically wishful thinking. |
Watch it people. Did you just exhale? You just injected a pollutant into the atmosphere. You probably all have Ebola and bad breath too.
Isn't nature wonderful? We have things called "plants" that now need air pollution. Evolution is wonderful. I'm sure plants used to breath oxygen a long time ago, but in response to man's dangerous release of pollutants (carbon dioxide) they can now survive, even thrive, on air pollution. And besides, it was so hot this summer that I left my ice tea on the patio, and when I came back an hour later, the ice had all melted and it diluted my tea. This would not have happened a hundred years ago. |
Exhaling is the least of the pollution I emit.
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Originally Posted by phinney
Exhaling is the least of the pollution I emit.
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So, ...the fact that people are choosing sides and arguing about its significance --somehow proves that it is insignificant. I don't follow that logic.
..but I do agree it's hard to prove either way, and it's pretty much impossible to know exactly what it's effect will be. But drastic climate changes may cause large scale migrations of billions of people --way sooner than we are ready for. That won't be fun. (Nor would an asteroid on my head be very much fun) |
When I was a kid the talk was of "the coming ice age". Am I the only one who remembers this?
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Huge asteroids have hit the Earth before and it's probably a statistical certainty they will again. Look what happened to poor Jupiter. Last I read the Gulf of Mexico is the result of an enormous asteroid impact that wiped out almost all life on the planet. The asteroid is out there right now heading for us at incredible velocity. We know it's going to get here, we just don't know when. The only important question is "WILL WE BE READY?".
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That's exactly why we should cash in our 401(k)'s and get a Trek Madone or other expensive bike of choice.
The good news is that most of us will die of cancer or something long before there is an Extinction Level Event. |
I believe that I read somewhere that given all of the modern laws, that cars are now so clean that the langest emiters of smog producing gas in the San Fernando valley are Cows.
Who's that guy running for president....Where are his movie cameras....Perfect for politics.....Cow !@#$% |
Not much different east of you JPPE, in Raleigh. I commented to my wife that with the frost we're having a whiter Easter than Chrismas. So does the Easter bunny have winter clothing?
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Originally Posted by maddmaxx
I believe that I read somewhere that given all of the modern laws, that cars are now so clean that the langest emiters of smog producing gas in the San Fernando valley are Cows.
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Originally Posted by RockyMtnMerlin
+1. FWIW I have read hundreds and hundreds of pages on the subject (just because I am interested). I'm pretty well read on both "sides" of the issue. I believe that greenhouse gases are major contributer to this warming event. I'm not sure how much we can do about it at this late date. I hope that I am proven wrong.
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Originally Posted by spry
I would like to stick Al Gore,s face in the 9" of Easter Global Warming in Northern Ohio today.:(
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Originally Posted by Monoborracho
When I was a kid the talk was of "the coming ice age". Am I the only one who remembers this?
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I have no doubt our global climate is changing -- our world is a dynamic environment and ever changing. The problem is that thanks to folks like Al Gore, politics is highjacking science. Is our climate warming. Absolutely. I came back from Alaska, where geologists can document the glaciers began shrinking 300 years ago, and the rate has been increasing in the last 30-50 years. It is likely man contributes to this, but our climate began warming long before the rise of modern civilization.
So I ride my bike to do my part to reduce greenhouse gases. ;) |
Originally Posted by Coloradopenguin
I have no doubt our global climate is changing -- our world is a dynamic environment and ever changing. The problem is that thanks to folks like Al Gore, politics is highjacking science. Is our climate warming. Absolutely. I came back from Alaska, where geologists can document the glaciers began shrinking 300 years ago, and the rate has been increasing in the last 30-50 years. It is likely man contributes to this, but our climate began warming long before the rise of modern civilization.
So I ride my bike to do my part to reduce greenhouse gases. ;) |
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I believe that I read somewhere that given all of the modern laws, that cars are now so clean that the langest emiters of smog producing gas in the San Fernando valley are Cows.
Who's that guy running for president....Where are his movie cameras....Perfect for politics.....Cow !@#$% |
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Originally Posted by Gojohnnygo.
Cars are clean? I guess you haven't stop next to one at a stop light. One more question about cows why do we have so many? Its because humans need them to feed the human population. Think of all the smog created by the production of feed, transportations of this feed and all the use of fossil fuel just grow it and house livestock. Don't blame the cow its mankind causing this. An all this points toward is are endless dependency of fossil fuel. Which is causing climate change plus other natural climate change factors. We humans are helping to accelerating it, With in just few decades not the slow process the mother nature has gone through over thousands of years.
So whats the cure, eleminate mankind??? eleminate cows??? not feed the people or move the food from where it is grown to where it is eaten??? eleminate fossil fuel..can we build a nuke plant in your town..for that matter can we build a wind farm in you town. In these "few decades", the average temperature of the planet has risen 0.7 degrees. How much do you think it went up at the end of the last ice age. Not many cars around to blame then. There are very specific things that we are doing wrong to our environment.....The "sky is falling global warming" crowd is an agenda to sell books, put viewers in front of CNN and make reputations for competing crews of scientists. Lets do something about the things that we can. As to cars.....1 running lawnmower emits as much polution as 30 properly smog equipped cars per hour.! Rats, not the OP which was relatively tongue in cheek has gotten all cluttered up with dualing soapboxes. Sorry |
Before you start believing UN propaganda educate yourself on the UN and its history.
Here's a quote from a real scientist, Kary Mullis, whom has the integrity to stand up to the nonsense: "The concept that human beings are capable of causing the planet to overheat or lose its ozone seems about as ridiculous as blaming the Magdalenian paintings for the last ice age. There is a notion that our emissions are causing the temperature of the planet to go up, even though the temperature is not going up. Even if the temperature were going up, we would be foolish to think we caused it. We could just as reasonably blame it on cows. In the nineteenth century the temperature went down. In this century it's gone up only about half a degree. The trend over the last two centuries is down. Down is not warmer. So if you like to worry, worry that we might be moving into a new ice age. We could be." I guess he doesn't get his data from the UN. |
The hockey stick graph has been long exposed as fradulent.
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Originally Posted by maddmaxx
So whats the cure, eleminate mankind??? eleminate cows??? not feed the people or move the food from where it is grown to where it is eaten??? eleminate fossil fuel..can we build a nuke plant in your town..for that matter can we build a wind farm in you town.
In these "few decades", the average temperature of the planet has risen 0.7 degrees. How much do you think it went up at the end of the last ice age. Not many cars around to blame then. There are very specific things that we are doing wrong to our environment.....The "sky is falling global warming" crowd is an agenda to sell books, put viewers in front of CNN and make reputations for competing crews of scientists. Lets do something about the things that we can. As to cars.....1 running lawnmower emits as much polution as 30 properly smog equipped cars per hour.! I see that your against fossil fuel Like me. Why are we in the middle east? answer fossil fuel. Why are we helping to accelerate climate change fossil fuel. Buy local food or grow your own. Use solar even on the Northeast of USA. Push for wind power in your area. and ride your bike more. Get us to hell off the use of fossil fuel and the world will be better place. 0.7 degrees is allot in just 100 or so years. Just look at places like Nome Alaska and ask that question to the Inuit. They are losing there perma frost at an alarming rate and they say this has never happened in all the years they have populated this area.(several thousand years) and with the melting of the frost comes more carbon. We need to do something instead of denying it.:) |
Originally Posted by phone
Before you start believing UN propaganda educate yourself on the UN and its history.
Here's a quote from a real scientist, Kary Mulls, whom has the integrity to stand up to the nonsense: "The concept that human beings are capable of causing the planet to overheat or lose its ozone seems about as ridiculous as blaming the Magdalena paintings for the last ice age. There is a notion that our emissions are causing the temperature of the planet to go up, even though the temperature is not going up. Even if the temperature were going up, we would be foolish to think we caused it. We could just as reasonably blame it on cows. In the nineteenth century the temperature went down. In this century it's gone up only about half a degree. The trend over the last two centuries is down. Down is not warmer. So if you like to worry, worry that we might be moving into a new ice age. We could be." I guess he doesn't get his data from the UN. Look out its another conspiracy theory Just like 911 get real. |
Originally Posted by n4zou
I've been through the fake sciences of global cooling, acid rain, nuclear winter, and now global warming. It's nothing more than attempting to scare people into paying more taxes and padding the pockets of people like Al Gore. The Earth has always had heating and cooling cycles and we might (has yet to be proven) be experiencing a slight upswing in temperatures. This gradual increase has been going on for over 75 years now (if you believe the old recorded temperatures) and has averaged about 1/2 a degree higher in that time but considering we have only been recording temperatures for about 150 years, who's to say that 1/2 degree is actual or just from inaccurate gages used in the early years of temperature measurement and recording. It has not been conclusively proven there is even a non-normal shift in global temperature so the scientists who get research money to study global warming have now started using the "consensus" word meaning that all the global warming scientists sat it's true so it must be and we all must believe them. There was also a consensus of scientist's claming the Earth was flat, the Earth was the center of the solar system and universe, global cooling was real, acid rain (which was going to kill off all the trees and oceans), and any number of hydrogen bombs starting a nuclear winter. You can tell there about to lose the argument when the "consensus" word starts getting used and that anyone making any argument ageist there consensus science makes them say they need to be disqualified and fired by not joining the consensus crowd pushing global warming. You hear nothing from the global warming crowd when record low temperatures are recorded but the first time we get even close to a hot summer day all you will hear from the pro global warming media is " Its global heating and this proves it" news report.
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Originally Posted by The Weak Link
The hockey stick graph has been long exposed as fradulent.
From what I read, most of this type of data comes from information like tree ring growth and glacial ice cores. I don't know much about the latter, but I have looked at tree rings and you can see each ring is not the same. You can also count the rings back to years you know had bad weather and correlate the small rings with the lower temps. But if you know otherwise, please let us know... |
Originally Posted by Gojohnnygo.
0.7 degrees is allot in just 100 or so years. Just look at places like Nome Alaska and ask that question to the Inuit. They are losing there perma frost at an alarming rate and they say this has never happened in all the years they have populated this area.(several thousand years) and with the melting of the frost comes more carbon. We need to do something instead of denying it.:)
A House committee released documents Monday that showed hundreds of instances in which a White House official who was previously an oil industry lobbyist edited government climate reports to play up uncertainty of a human role in global warming or play down evidence of such a role. http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...AA0894DF404482 |
I'm going to ask one more time...does anyone recall that during the 50's and 60's the climatic predictions were for another ice age?
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Originally Posted by Monoborracho
I'm going to ask one more time...does anyone recall that during the 50's and 60's the climatic predictions were for another ice age?
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Originally Posted by Monoborracho
I'm going to ask one more time...does anyone recall that during the 50's and 60's the climatic predictions were for another ice age?
I think most of that was recognition that glacial cycles from the Pleistocene epoch could potentially be extrapolated to imply we're about due for another cycle. Interestingly, the warm periods between glacial advances were notable for their increased CO2 content in atmosphere --although our current level is way off the chart of those peaks. (Personally I was always fascinated by the huge ice-marginal and meltwater lakes that dominated the warm periods. Evidence of those lakes can be seen throughout the upper midwest. Very cool to observe during long bike rides through Wisconsin.) |
Originally Posted by Monoborracho
I'm going to ask one more time...does anyone recall that during the 50's and 60's the climatic predictions were for another ice age?
The ice fields on Mars are melting.......I think it's the SUN not man. The planet earth was significantly warmer X thousand years ago than today (or predicted for the next 100 years) suficient to cause huge oil (fossil) deposits in Alaska (ANWR) and Siberia......prior to *****apien influence. It's too cold now.......we need global warming to reduce consumption of fossil fuels to heat our homes and businesses. My T shirt is on order: http://www.cafepress.com/buy/news/-/...C_20070405wire |
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