[QUOTE=CB HI]No problem.

Gore's 1999-03-09 interview on CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer.
During this interview when asked how he was different from his democratic primary challenger, Gore stated:
“During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.”

Does not really change the meaning, does it. He still claimed credit for creating the internet.
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Hmm I read that entire Snope thing and you are right he did say "creating." The rest of the article is kind of interesting also. It seems to me that there is a clear case to be made that Gore should receive credit for what he did do. And the article indicates his contributions were significant.

[QUOTE=RockyMtnMerlin][QUOTE=CB HI]No problem.

Gore's 1999-03-09 interview on CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer.
During this interview when asked how he was different from his democratic primary challenger, Gore stated:
“During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.”

Does not really change the meaning, does it. He still claimed credit for creating the internet.
What were Al Gore's SPECIFIC contributions?? The "internet" evolved in to what we currently enjoy.....it was not specifically created /invented. Al Gore was a Senator....and much too important to be involved with the lowly and mundane techie crap. Al Gore is credibilty challenged

If you, this administration, and big oil happen to be wrong - it marks the end of the earth for later generations - if not this generation. Don't you think it would be proper to err on the side of safety with literally the entire world in the balance?

... Brad

And if we listened to the same climate scientist in the 1970-80's telling us that we were headed for another ice age, to be on the safe side, we would have been driving the most inefficient motor vehicles so that we could keep the earth as warm as possible for as long as possible.:rolleyes: RIGHT?;)

The only credit he deserves, is that he put his name on a few spending bills and he voted for them. The credit for the initial, so called, internet belongs to the military and the researchers (egg head geeks) that worked with the military. Al Gore was not even in congress at that time.

Not really. The statement that "climate scientist" (sic) in 1970-1980's were claiming that we were headed for another ice age is actually based on sensationalized statements by the popular media back then. There were few actual scientists at the time saying that.

"Every now and again, the myth that "we shouldn't believe global warming predictions now, because in the 1970's they were predicting an ice age and/or cooling" surfaces. Recently, George Will mentioned it in his column (see Will-full ignorance) and the egregious Crichton manages to say "in the 1970's all the climate scientists believed an ice age was coming" (see Michael Crichton’s State of Confusion ). You can find it in various other places too [here, mildly here, etc]. But its not an argument used by respectable and knowledgeable skeptics, because it crumbles under analysis. That doesn't stop it repeatedly cropping up in newsgroups though."

read the rest here http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...-myth/#more-94

Good point about the origins of the internet; but as far as what helped grow to what it is today and any roll Gore had in it, I'll stick with the Snope article.

I do not say all climate scientist put forth such claims. And I did not get my information from the media. My astro-physics class took a look at the range of significant cooling to ice age claims in 1975. The class of future physicist found little credibility for the claims. And there were several scientist, as well as others making the claim. Funny how none wish to take credit for such work today.

OK, maybe he was the first to coin the term "Information Superhighway".

Hey, we agree on something. I can also say that I loved living in Honolulu (and Kaneohe) in the mid 80's. Hawaii is a great place. I'll bet we agree on that too. :)

Very true, but I do miss back packing and skiing the Rockies. My mom & dad are from Wyoming, dad went to University of Wyoming and my first 4 years were in Pine Bluffs.

I am a Wyoming native and a 1973 UW grad. Born in Laramie, 20 years in the Navy and then returned. When you get to be my age you might find the warm weather and beaches more appealing than backpacking - but I could be wrong. :)

The ice caps are melting on Mars?Now I,m pissed!

CB HI
How did Oahu react to Don Ho's passing?? When I was there, he was quite the idol so I would imagine your news is inundated with his legacy.
Just curious.....

I planted 150 black locust trees on my folks place about 30 years ago. Does that count? Those suckers are taking in lots of CO2 over the years. Crikey I may be rich soon.

My dad was WWII Navy between high school and college. I am retired Navy Nuc Submarines; that is how I ended up in Hawaii. I was thinking of visits to back pack and ski rather than a permanent change of address.

About 20 minutes of each of the 30 minute news cast was about Don. And it continued on in the following morning, afternoon and evening news periods. The VA tech shootings are the one thing now over-riding it.

Hats off to the Navy for thier highly commendable job they do with the Arizona Memorial. During my federal career, I did MANY TDYs to Honolulu and tried to visit the Arizona every trip......it is a truly inspirational experience. Is a copy of the 12-7-41 newspaper still provided/available?

:rolleyes: Are you off your meds again?

Wrong.

You must have gotten the typical Indoctrination at a government-funded public school instead of a real education at a private school. There is a reason all politicians and wealthy people educate their children in private schools instead if the Indoctrination you obviously received in a public Indoctrination center called a public school. The only arguments you can make are ignorant name calling thinking someone is on drugs because the level of debate is above your educational level.

Do you mean that before man-made global warming there were never tornadoes or hurricanes? :rolleyes:

I am pretty sure they still provide the paper. Navy can't take all the credit for the visitor center, that is run by the US Parks Service. Navy does run the boats and looks over the USS Arizona itself. The Navy did build a nice memorial on the other side of Ford Island, where the USS Iowa still rest, plus they allowed a new private donation Air Museum on Ford Island.

Scientific facts are notoriously double edge. It can be used to proof/refute both ways! That being said, we all know that politicians love to use so called " Scientific Facts " as a mean of projecting themselve in a better light i.e as honest, sincere, unbias, etc. There are data on the amount CO2 that support green house effect covincingly, and there are data refuting. The whole issue of global warming became a focal point of contention was when USA refused to support the Kyoto agreement because of its self interest. What then is the self interest of the USA? Simply put: Maintaining The American Way of Life. Everybody in this forum need to be honest with oneself about what TAWL really means to each of us. Especially if one lives in the USA.
To me TAWL means, Freedom. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to travel, freedom to live the way one chooses, freedom to---. You all get the idea. No other country in the history of the world has as much freedom as USA.
Now global warming may be 1)The absolute truth,2) Halft truth or 3)Complete lie and can be debated until kingdom come. One simple fact that begs to be recognized is that the 'global warming theory' has become a completely political agenda. The proponent cited proof against and the opponent did the same.
The facts are that the supporter such as China, India, Russia few other countries are producing almost same amount of CO2 per capita as USA and there are no limit/restraint, on their future CO2 emission limitation. Just like all poltical agenda, these important facts are conveniently ignored and American reluctant to participate in this flawed agreement is used as a whip to prove us as bully, ignorant, wasteful etc. For similar reason USA did not sign the Hague/world Court agreement. We are still being chastised. So much for the outsiders sentiment on our refusal to sign up. What is more important is TAWL.
We all know that subjecting oneself to other wish entail sacrifice. What then do we sacrifice in agreeing to the above two examples of our refusal? Yes, freedom. I will not go into how much our freedom or how freedom can be sacrifice. I just want to remind all that we all live in the most productive, most efficient, most tolerant, most---- country in the world. Will you like to sacrifice any of those just a few mentioned privileges that we enjoyed? Remember the enduring wisdom/cry of our fore father/ founder: Give me Liberty or Give me----?. Be sure that you debate well on this subject and come to a concensus instead of quoting high minded facts, wisdom to castigate each other. Because what ever we agree on or disagee with; remember not to sacrifice our liberty for polical correctness. As for myself I will like to maintain my interpretation of TAWL as long as possible without having someone telling me to. That to me is Liberty as I understand it and the freedom that this understanding brings to one and to all around me.